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Archived Boards => The Archive => Terran-Vasudan War => Topic started by: Solatar on August 15, 2002, 02:36:10 pm
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A project is currently being concieved, and has been given the greenlight. The t/v war for fs2. This will be before the fs1 era, so no shields, we will have enhanced ai, and many new ships. Some familiar favorites like the Fenris, and Orion will be around, as well as some fighters you know. But we are still needing new ships. I am currently waiting for a GTF Angel model, so we have that covered.
Anybody interested should contact me, Hades. Thor is already in, and he has made the sight. check out more info in the thread entitled "ships of the 14 year war" in this forum.
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i can do you site design (Thor will probably agree that no frames will help). Check my Sig links for my work. Email ([email protected]) me!
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Thank you Riven. Just for you I made the T-V War Site with frames;) For those interested the site is http://tvwarproject.dreamstation.com (http://tvwarproject.dreamstation.com)
Please join up.
Edit: I've also got us signed up on the list for HLP Hosting.
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nice site. It'll serve it's purpose. I think Thor should get the hosting, its your website. I'll do it if you want though.
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Yes, I did the dirty work. Shrike is now informed of the existance of the T-V War Project.
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Do you already have a story in mind?
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Um, no. Maybe Hades does, but if you want to make one, go for it.
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you know there were a few BWO models that we scraped (becase they were HW reskins) that you guys might be able to use
I'll ask
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Now lets recap:
Team:
Hades, Thor, Riven doing a website, Peg V volunteering, e****o being convinced to write a story, Bob getting us BWO rejects, a lead on an Angel Scout fighter, and new ai tables. Not bad for a project half a day old
Edit: HW? Do you mean Home World? Thor is very confused.
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Some ground rules that I think we should have:
- Destroyers are rare. The GTA can have about 3 Orions or so and the same for the VPE with Typhons.
- Make it so that we rely on secondaries more than primaries at the beginning.
- We use the DTP source code alteration thingy. Why? Because we're going to have some big ass fighter battles that's why. It will make for realistic fighter compliments.
- We'll make a mission where we first encounter a Satis and mitake it for a warship.
- The end mission can be Operation Thresher. This is the main reason for using DTP's source code thingy - 512 pilots killed.
- Reduce the number of systems on the nodemap.
- Known Ships available: Apollo, Athena, Angel, Fenris, Orion, Arcadia, Faustus, most freighters and transport. Anubis, Seth, Osiris, (the other bomber), Aten, Typhon, most freighters and transport.
- Refer to this as the 14-Year War not the T-V War. :v: decided to refer to the T-V War is the 14-Year War after production begun (probably because the old title reminded them of transvestites.....).
I can help by being the technical advisor... ;7 :drevil:
Ships that Should Be Made: (Press enter on the address after the window pops up and it'll load.)
- GTF Enceledus (http://www.geocities.com/alpha_quadrant_project/conceptpics/GTF_Enceladus.jpg)
- GTB Apollyon (http://www.geocities.com/alpha_quadrant_project/conceptpics/GTB_Apollyon.jpg)
- GTB Crius (http://www.geocities.com/alpha_quadrant_project/conceptpics/GTB_Crius.jpg)
- GTB/F Inachus (http://www.geocities.com/alpha_quadrant_project/conceptpics/GTB_Inachus.jpg)
- GTG Bromios (http://www.geocities.com/alpha_quadrant_project/conceptpics/GTGM_Bromios.jpg)
- GTI Dionysus (http://www.geocities.com/alpha_quadrant_project/conceptpics/GTI_Dionysus.jpg)[/COLOR]
- PVF/T Tuat (http://www.geocities.com/alpha_quadrant_project/conceptpics/GVF_Tuat.jpg)
- PVT Qeb (http://www.geocities.com/alpha_quadrant_project/conceptpics/GVT_Qeb.jpg)
- PVC/D Khnum (http://www.geocities.com/alpha_quadrant_project/conceptpics/GVBe_Khnum.jpg)[/COLOR]
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Welcome, tech advisor Peg V.
I looked around the concept page, and found even more ships that could be useful.
- GTD Aquila
- GTA Capacious
- GTS Eos
- PVF Hornet
- PVF CHensit
- PVD Meskhenet
- PVCa Semptu
- PVFr Somtus
Note: I changed the GV* to PV* to fit in with the timeline. If you want pics, goto the concepts database in Peg's sig.
FOr the two destoyers, Aquila and Meskhenet, I was thinking of downsizing them to around corvette sive, still calling them destroyers, then having them outclassed by Orions and Typhon's. That way, we could have a few more destoyers, while keeping faithful to the rarity of the Orions/Typhons. I also like the Satis Idea. Maybe for the very first mission. And Operation Threasher would be a good place to end it. I'm not sure if I want a Source Code mod or not, but if everyone thinks its worth it. All very good ideas, in my opion. Get talking with Hades.
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ya homeworld
one is a reskin of the tiadlalala drednaut and the carier I don't have the game so I can't remember the names, I can probly get the models but not the textures (mostly altered orion and arcadia textures), but there prety much totaly complete game ready models
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mkey, just got aproval
here you go (http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/blackwater/scrapedBWOships.zip)
you'll have to rename the textures but other than that I think these were the most up to date versions (didn't look that hard), if there missing anything I'll see if there is a beter version
one is a large corvet level type ship, the other is a dedicated carier,
hmm
that carier has some of the older turrets but there fairly similar to the ones used on there new counterparts,
so you get a bit of a sneak peak :ha: sort of
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Sign up now. Kill those transvestites. Yeah baby!
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I'll give those a try. Have fun Hades, I'll be back to help in a week
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I think with all this new input. My ships and weapons tables are useless. We don't need a story yet, it would help, but let's get the MOD done first. What part of the T/V war should we do? It was 14 years long, fs1, and fs2 are both only a few months long.
Also, I might not want to use the DTP MOD because it has that text on the HUD. But then we might have to, because the Great War relied on fighters, not capships. I think the GTA had more than three orions, I mean, this was a long time from the fs2 storyline, but like Shadow wolf IH told me when I was thinking about it. Let's not give them rocks to throw at each other.
EDIT:Oh, by the way, Pegasus, if you want in, your in. Eishtmo, I would like you to write up a storyline, that would be cool.
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There was a guy called Hudzy doing this a month or so ago - I pointed him towards Grey Wolf 2009s Apollo Prototype here (http://www.3dactionplanet.com/hlp/hosted/gtdwolf/misc/apollop.zip), and Analzon's currently untextured but amazingly sweet looking ship here (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,8688.0.html). (BTW, I wouldn't suggest bumping that topic as it's fairly old). You should talk to Analazon, maybe even find a texturer for that beauty, and talk to Hudzy too, get your two projects amalgamated (if his even still exists).
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well, if hudzy is here, he can come on in.
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The big question is for me is how are you going to keep the game exciting when you have to drop many of FS2's more intersting features: ie flak cannons, beam weapons?
I suggest that you come up with graphically spectacular but technologically flawed 'new' things that were dropped by the start of the FS1 campain.
You could be really brave and start out without proper targeting or some other important feature and introduce it as a 'new technology' half way through the game.
Not having shields will be very annoying for most FS players so to soften the blow you should make the AI have a very high priority for collision avoidance. It just made me scream in FS1 when stupid AI bumped into me and knocked down my hull strength.
Also I suggest that you lower the damage of weapons in general and slightly increase the hull strength. Makes sense, old weapons with less kick and harder hulls because there is no shield tech.
Its likely that after shielding was inverted that hull strength would go down because when you loose your shields you're doomed anyway. Is is just my imagination or do Shevians have much weaker hulls than the other races (on Med anyway)?
You might want to consider allowing the support ship to be able to do a one time (per mission) limited repair of you hull. Perhaps with some huge disadantage like a whole ship shutdown to allow it, ie no weapons, half functioning com and sensors, no thrust until process is complete.
Some tech reason can be made up why its not possible in FS1 and FS2.
For example 'with the construction of so many large cruisers with repair equipement its more effective to bring a figher in and fully repair rather than use a vunerable mobile repair vessel that are now targetted first by the enemy during any fire fight.'
With the older crusiers not having as many defensive weaponary as in FS2 they would be very vunerable to mines. Mines like those in Homeworld would be fun.
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but the lack of shields makes it exiting....
Oh, about my ship. that was the one modeled on the early awacs (caprious iirc), and you guys can use it if you want, and good luck converting it!
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Maybe Im the only person who uses ramming tatics.
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For oold times sake, I think I'll use the fs1 briefing icons, and maybe the HUD also. This will be optional to download, but I think it will add to the feel of the game. We can also use the fs1 music. That would be cool.
I have come up with a somewhat weird name for our project, how about the TV Project?
EDIT:Also, I'm debating whether to use the original fs2 icons for the Superdestroyer, or just leave it out altogether. Afterall, there were no superdestroyers in the T/V war.
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I have just imported all of the fs1 icons for briefings, as well as selection. I'm doing to the music right now. I know the fs1 icons are crap, but it would make it seem more T/V war like.
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Leave the superdestroyer out.
Good points Random Tiger. I like those ideas Hades. Also, try dropping Hudzy a PM or e-mail and asking about his project. Hopefully this will be done when I get back. :D Goodbye and good luck, I'll be back in a week!
:cool:
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Well, I don't know about it being done in a week but...
I have to use the AWAcs, and superdestroyers and such, fs2 crashes if I don't. I changed the corvette, AWACs, and such to cruiser icons, the superdestroyer to a capital ship icon, and I changed the large ship, and large ship wing to the original fs1 icons. Everything except the Knossos is an fs1 icon. I also imported all of the fs1 selection icons. This is going to be really fs1-ish.
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The ingame HUD is about the same as the fs2 HUD. I just have the fs1 crosshairs, and lead. As well as the fs1 missile lock. I have new wingman images also. They are cool looking little triangles.
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Originally posted by Hades
Eishtmo, I would like you to write up a storyline, that would be cool.
Story is done man, just not written down (for me, it makes sense). Gimme a couple of days to outline the basic plot and the stuff I wanted to do in it (developed for own campaign, you might not like a lot of this stuff) and I'll send you a copy, somehow.
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I'm not a very good storyline person, I'm more of a MODing guy, so I'm not complaining about a storyline, we just need a good storyline. I'm not sure whether we should do the whole t/v war, from Skirmash to operation thresher, in episodes, or just the last part.
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Make sure you do the first appearance of the Shivans (Lt Ash). You can be playing as Gamma 3 or something, then given an order by your dying wingmen to "Get out! Save yourself! Tell someone for God's sake!" :D
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Were there any survivors from Ross 128?
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the shivans :D
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Please check your e-mail Hades.
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Sorry, I've been using internet explorer lately, haven't checked my mail. I'll check it just for you though!
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Very kind of you
I think it could be a lot better with a bit of time but I dont want to pour all my efforts into something thats not going to be used.
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I was just thinking about the Athena bomber. Was it a t/v war bomber? I mean in the Capture Taranis mission in fs1 it says that the Galatea was RECIEVED a wing of Athena bombers. Maybe they are only distributed by Terran Command when a destroyer needs them. Maybe the same with the Medusa, but I haven't checked up on that yet. I can't find the mission where you first get the medusa.
EDIT:I know the Ursa wasn't used in the t/v war, because it said in the Command briefs that it was a new bomber.
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Originally posted by Hades
I was just thinking about the Athena bomber. Was it a t/v war bomber? I mean in the Capture Taranis mission in fs1 it says that the Galatea was RECIEVED a wing of Athena bombers. Maybe they are only distributed by Terran Command when a destroyer needs them. Maybe the same with the Medusa, but I haven't checked up on that yet. I can't find the mission where you first get the medusa.
EDIT:I know the Ursa wasn't used in the t/v war, because it said in the Command briefs that it was a new bomber.
Methinks you can maybe justify assigning FS1 ships to the player for op-eval later in the war :nod: - depends on your timeframe.
Maybe you could have a mission with the first deployment of the GTD Orion? :devil:
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I think we were going to have the later part of the t/v war. Ending with Operation Thresher. We could use a cutscene after the Riviera attack also. Random Tiger gave me a good idea. Since the player is Alpha 1, maybe LT. Ash gave the order for everyone to get to the jump node to Delta Serpentis. After you get to the node and jump out, the fs1 intro plays.
I think we will use the GTB Athena as a standard bomber, and I'll try to find the Apollo bomber model to use as the Terran heavy bomber.
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Originally posted by Bobboau
the shivans :D
Apart from them you twit! :rolleyes: :D
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lol, but anyways...
seems we have 2 different threads of conversation in the same thread...
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Originally posted by Hades
Random Tiger gave me a good idea. Since the player is Alpha 1, maybe LT. Ash gave the order for everyone to get to the jump node to Delta Serpentis. After you get to the node and jump out, the fs1 intro plays.
What I meant was that you got to play that part and the audio from that could be used. Would be great to hear that familar track and know that the lucifer is on its way for you!
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Yeah, I knew what you said. I said you gave me an idea. My idea wasn't what you told me to do. What you said sparked my idea. Get it now?:D
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Still think mines better :D
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Well, you can go ahead and use your story with your own campaign. I'll even give you my MOD after its done as long as you don't distribute it except with your campaign. I already sent you a PM about this, have you checked them lately?
EDIT:Can we drop the subject of the storyline for now. We can't do squat without the MOD. So far we have me, I think Pegasus V wanted to do something, and Thor, but he's gone for a little while. I contacted Hudzy, but he hasn't responded yet.
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Originally posted by Hades
Can we drop the subject of the storyline for now. We can't do squat without the MOD.
Actually, you need to have the story in development so you know what kinds of fighters and such you'll need. They have to rise up together, almost hand in hand.
Speaking of which, I'll hold back my original story and make a new one for you to play with. If I'm going to do the original, it'll be massive, and I want it under my direct control. I'll come up with something for you though, using some of the elements from the original. I'll send it to you as soon as I get to writing it.
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yeah, I guess you're right. Thanx for the story.
Is that Angel ready? Who has the Angel .pof?
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Originally posted by Hades
...for everyone to get to the jump node to Delta Serpentis. After you get to the node and jump out...
Think retro. Intersystem jump drives for fighters/bombers weren't developed until the end of the Great War. And even then they're expensive, that's why they weren't extensively used in FS2.
The story is the most important thing in any campaign. That will have to be developed first. Next, of course, will be the models. Then the mods and finally the missions.
Personally I think we should make a few chapters. The first chapter will be at the beginning of the 14-Year War with very basic military... stuff... The second chapter will be when the GTA and VPE develop formidable forces. The third chapter can be showing what a war of attrition is really about, with traitors starting to show up thinking what is this war all about, is it really worth it. The forth chapter can be the conclusion with Operation Thresher[/i][/color]. Perhaps even having a fifth chapter playing out alongside the Great War. Between each chapter will be your shoreleave time or something.
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Great idea.
I guess I really didn't think about inter-system subspace drives.
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The first chapter should have the GTF Angel, the GTF Apollo, and some kind of bomber. Maybe we could use the Athena.
Then for weapons we need the ML-16, and maybe some other low tech weapons just for the sake of consistancy (Most campaigns have more than one or two weapons). Maybe the ML-16 is like the "super weapon" of the game (i.e.-Banshee for fs1, Kayser for fs2). After all, the ML_16 is pretty good for hulls, not compared to anything except the Vasudan Light Laser, its great.
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Hi everyone. Sorry for my inactivity recently but I've been away for a while. I've only just found out about this new project and from what I can see it has great potential.
My own campaign hasn't really got off the ground yet. If memory serves, the Cardinal Spear campaign dealt with the Agamemnon's strike into Vasudan space. My ideas focused around several points which I would expand upon to make a campaign.
The first point was that the Terran-Vasudan war was basically at a stalemate and neither sides were making any progress. The Agamemnon did make a brief appearance as it set off on its mission told in Cardinal Spear. I decided that to promt such a strike and risk sending an expensive Orion deep into Vasudan space, the Vasudans would have to launch a strike that got too close to the SOL System for comfort. So I had some mission ideas to cover that.
The second idea came to me when reading the tech description for the Typhon in FS1. I learnt that the first sighting of the Typhon led to the destruction of the GTD Eisenhower and the decimation of the 4th Fleet in the Vega Engagement. So I had some ideas about how that series of events could be brought into the campaign. I was also toying with the idea that the Typhon had been ambushing Terran ships and that a pilot had survived long enough to babble on about a new Vasudan threat but due to a lack of evidence Command doesn't believe it. Kind of like when the Shivans first arrive and no one believed Lt Ash until it was too late. So the same was going to be true about the Typhon and you would fly a mission to protect the Eisenhower but it gets overwhelmed.
As for ship models I have for it, they were basically ones that other people have made. I lack the software to make models of my own but have recently aquired Photoshop 7 so I'm hoping to learn the ways of mapping and such.
For weapons I borrowed the ML-16, the Fury and the MX-50 from the FreeSpace Conversion. I was also thinking of including weapons from Cardinal Spear such as the really fast blue one or the ML-14.
Well, I guess that's basically what I've got so far. I'd definately be interested in becoming part of this project though I'm not sure where I'd be helpful just yet. Like I said, modelling is out of the question at the moment and I'm new to the world of mapping.
I can FRED though. I might be able to help you out there at a later stage in the development. I know how to do most things with it though I've never publically released anything.
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What models do you have?
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Nothing that can't be found floating around here really.
Apollo.
Apollo Prototype mentioned earlier. No interface for that though.
Athena.
I'm using a Valkyrie with a modified table to act as an Angel for the time being.
I just picked up the GTB Inferno for a heavy bomber.
I'm using Aldo's Weapon Platform as a sort of planetary/installation defence thing. To replace the beams I'm using a heavy plasma type weapon I rooted out from somewhere.
The GTI Polaris is being used in wierd and wonderful ways by connecting them in different patterns.
That's basically it for Terran models. I can't seem to find any Vasudan ships from that era aside from the Anubis and the Amun.
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Since the Anubis has no afterburners, and it all around sucks. It would suffice for an OLD Vasudan fighter.
Yeah, that's what I'm using for the valkyrie.
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Yo Hades, I was going to send you some stuff, but you apparently don't have an e-mail address. Just quick drop me a line at [email protected] when you get the chance.
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I have an e-mail address, its [email protected]. PM me when you send me anything, that way I'll know to check my mail.
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Greetings all, I have returned. I can't really see anything that I need to comment on, so I won't. Actually I lied, we need a story. And I have a request, Hades, could you send me a copy of what your working with at the moment? and Esh, could you send me your story idea, when its done? And before you ask, here's my e-mail. [email protected] ([email protected]) . Looking good!
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Work has almost ground to a halt without you. Eishtmo has a nice story going, but I can't remember exactly what is was. All I know was that I REALLY liked it. Eishtmo, could you post it up here? Did we get hosting yet?
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I'm touched! It so nice to be needed. Anyway, just to get the ball rolling again, the GTB Inferno is now up for download, so It looks like a possiblity for inclusion, just ask Woo first. I'd still like a copy of the imported stuff you've been playing with, just to see what its like. I know a guy who can wip up some weapons, so that wouldn't be to hard to do. The nice thing is that the MOD itself won't take nearly as long as the FREDing, so If we can get the MOD ready, then we can use the time to make a FRED team, or something. Anyone else with thoughts? As for the Angel, Who ever has it, please, please give it to us. We would really appreciate it.
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Story? Hades, I sent you a timeline for the entire war. That's 14 years of war folks, and no one is reasonably going to make a campaign about the whole thing. Like I said in the e-mail, pick one of the battles/time periods (except the Battle of Ribos), and I can give you a general outline of the event to build a campaign on. The whole war is simply too much for anyone to even attempt. Hell, even doing several bits is probably too much.
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Ues, but you had the best thing. Okay, I think we should do The Vega Engagement. That should be like the second mission.
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Do I get to See that?:rolleyes:
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See what? Anyway, as you know the Vega Engagement was the first sighting of a Typhon class destroyer. The GTD Eisenhower and almost all of the 4th fleet is destroyed. Here's a start to a storyline:
First Few Missions; you just fight vasudans, getting used to using the new weapons, stuff like that.
Then you go on a major assault of a Vasudan supply depot. Maybe we could include a Karnak installation? A Typhon jumps in, the mission ends in failure. You go on. The next series of missions is when you hunt down, and how ever many missions later, its destroyed.
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The Timeline silly. I'd like to put in my two canadian cents to the process.
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Go ahead. What do you have in mind?
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I don't know yet. Thats why I want to see the Timeline so I can offer an idea.
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I can't really find it. I'm kind of forgetful. Anyway, Eishtmo, could you post some stuff around the vega Engagement? or e-mail something to Thor.
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w0rd up... i already faught in itt
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Where? How? What?
By the way, thank you E for sending the Timeline, very good work. We should consider placing it on the site.
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Yeah, thanx Eishtmo. I agree, it should be on the site. So Thor, what do you think we should do? And how is that hosting coming? I thought we put in that application a long time ago.
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Well, Basically, I think that most of the battles from 2323 till the start of FS1 would be good material. So maybe we could do a "Battle Series" Campaign that features some of the greatest battles that span a few missions with connecting missions for story, that reveal other important events. Something like this would also allow us to release it episodically, So from the first engagement to The First Battle of Vasuda-Antares Node for example of an episode. The Episode could be longer or shorter depending on the story or how much time we can actually throw into this. But first we need the Mod. Hades, what is our current status?
By the way, the hosting has been submited. I'm just waiting to hear from an Admin to let us know when we actually get to use the space.
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I could release the MOD on Tuesday, that is if I don't get it done onight (I'm going away until monday night).Excuse the bad language, but, I NEED THAT DAMN ANGEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When I have that, the whole thing is going into a .vp. I'm using the fs1 music, it will kind of add to the atmosphere. Also, I've used the interface from fs1, the crappy outline stuff because it kind of adds to the atmosphere also. I'm working on the interface screens, and the Main hall.
Like I said. I need an angel model!!!Can anyone make a new model? since anyone who has the angel right now is feeling stingy, we'll need a new one. That Angel is holding back the whole MOD.
New ships:
Apollo-Main Fighter
Athena-Kind of a "Medusa" style bomber in the beginning, then a light one in the last episode.
Angel-Intercepter, later renamed a Scout since its armor was never upgraded.
Hydra-Heavy Bomber. Using a .pof by NukeBomb_Overkill.
Anubis-Vasudan Main fighter
The Vasudans will use all of the bombers in fs1. This includes the Amun, and the Osiris. Plus maybe another one.
You can start making some demo missions if you want, I'll change the ship classes and weapons after I see what you can do. As A note, I would like most missions to have you launch from the hanger of your capital ship. We could make you stationed on the Galatea. That would be cool. Better yet, download the fs1 port, then base your missions off of that. I'm still working on the MOD, though its almost there.
I NEED THAT ANGEL MODEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Reguardless of if you finish it or not, send me what you have. I'm trying to get somemore ships for it, like the GVD Hammerhead/Astarte. Also, toss in the GTB Inferno as a pre-Ursa heavy bomber. My e-mail is in this thread. I'll try to find someother things to add, maybe something else will turn up. I'll get on trying to locate the angel aswell. So please send me your stuff before you leave.
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I'll try to send it tomorrow, like, after I'm out of school.
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Post it where you like, I don't mind. Just credit yours truly.
I'm working on a storyline for the Vega Engagement. I should (doesn't mean I will) have something by the weekend.
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I have Several Angel models on the way. One is in the Cardinal Spear Campaign .vp File, and another is the original Model by Venom and is being prepared by Woo. I'll send it to as soon as I am able, or, actually, Give Woo your e-mail Hades, and He should just send it right to you. Esh, can't wait to see the Vega Engagement. I presume this is the first deployment of the Typhon?
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Yes it is, I know that. That's why I picked it. I'll have to reinstall fs1 later so I can use the tech room. Anyway, the angel in the cardinal Spear series isn't even a modified .pof. Its just a renamed Valkyrie. And I'll send Woo my e-mail address right away.
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Okay, you do that. I'll expect the stuff on tuesday.
Anyone have thoughts for the subject of a demo mission?
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Why not do 'First Contact' or something!
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definate possibility.
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Worry about the demo missions later, its not worth doing so now. First we need the mods, which will take the longest. Demo missions probably aren't even worth it, just work on the campaign itself. The sooner it goes from "on paper" to "released" the better, got me?
Yeah, the Angel from Cardinal Spear was just a renamed Valk.
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Okay, Bad angel my bad. But I also got the good angel, so I evened things out.;) . And the demo mission in this case is a proof of mod. I was thinking along the lines of a pre T-V War skirmish with pirates, just to show it off. Doesn't have to be perfect, doesn't have to be the most kick arse thing of all time, but something that proves the concept. As for the mods, well, the first version will be given to the team, I think thats you and I and a few others(I have no idea who else is actually active inthis or not.) So a public release would soon follow. You're right though, we need to make the mod really cool.:cool: . How is the Vega Engagement comming?
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Originally posted by Thor
How is the Vega Engagement comming?
Slowly. Don't expect anything for a while, but do start moding stuff, no reason not to. And e-mail that file I sent you to Hades, he didn't get the add-ons.
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Done.
I am also getting my weaponssmith to whip up some sweet pre-beam cap ship weapons. They should be powerful like beams, so a cap battle won't take for ever. He is also making an experimental pseudo beam, that we could use latter on. Hope you guys like.
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Originally posted by Thor
They should be powerful like beams, so a cap battle won't take for ever.
There are other ways of doing that, mostly through multiple attacks, which is likely how they took down destroyers during the war as is.
Bombs need to be totally dumbed down, removing some of their tracking abiltiy should be an option.
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Are you sure beams would be right for that kind of time era?
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I kind of have a problem. How to get you guys the MOD. I have no way of uploading it. I can't e-mail it, because AOL won't let me upload files larger than 16 megs. Its a .vp and is 44.9 megs compressed, and 60.4 megs uncompressed. Most of this stuff is the fs1 music i have included. I felt that fs1 music would add to the feel of the MOD as a pre-great war thing. I'll take out the music, and give Thor some .vps. Some with music, and one with everything else. Sorry guys. Anybody doing missions, please use Galactic Emperors port. I'll change the ship classes when the MOD is ready. which will be Tuesday I hope.
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Yeah, best thing is to have the music in a seperate VP. Those of us with FS1 or who don't want the music can import it or go without then.
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I'll do the music later. The rest of the MOD is complete. We have pretty much the fs1 and fs2 weapons, mostly. Not that many new weapons. Just a Vulcan I was playing with, a Subach 6, read the tech and you'll understand about that.
I'll have it up by this afternoon.:D :D ;)
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Please note, I said LIKE beams. These are not beams in there current form. They are finished and ready to be tested, which I'll be doing later. As for the file size issue, leave them out, just put an instruction txt on how to extract them from our own copies. (So I'm incompetent with tables, sue me) doesn't have to be complex, just simple and striaght forward. Also, Once I have it, I can send it out to the peeps. Just PM me addresses. Who should get copies though, Esh and.....?
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I'm almost done. Thor, what's your e-mail address again? For a later release, do you think we could use the targeting laser for some kind of "Super Weapon". You get to use it in a couple missions. it would make like one Helios come out of Subspace. In Great War terms, a Helios is a super weapon.
I'm working on Nuke. I'll send that up as soon as its done. and Thor, as soon as you get the files, can you upload it to our site, and then post a link? That would be great.
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Firstly, look up. Yes scrolling, scrolling there she is! my e-mail is on the thread, but here it is again [email protected] ([email protected])
Secondly, how about using the targetting laser as the very first generation of TAG weapons. Then we can explain that it was a failure, hence it was discountinued by the beginning of FS1.
Thirdly, I think that Esh and I should test it first before I put it one the site. What I'll do is I'll actually put it up, then just not link to it directly. That way, I can just add a link when its ready. I'll probably add the weapons in to it before it's up. You put the Angel in right?
Fourthly, what is Nuke?
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I'm in a good mood today. Your lucky I'm nice or you'd be flamed crispy:D
Nuke is short for Nuclear. Usually referring to a nuclear warhead, or bomb. If you think about it it makes sense, though if your British, I don't know if that slang is used. If you are American, then you sin is unforgivable!!!:mad: :mad: (Kidding :D :D ;) ;) )
About the weapons. I have so far the Subach 6(Read the tech for the reason why I named it this), I think I have the Betelgeuse, and the ML-16, as well as the MX-50, Fury, Barracuda, and basically all of the weapons that were part of the fs1 port. So these will definately have to be redone. (My weapons, not the fs1 port ones).
As for music, everybody on the team has fs1, correct? if not, I'll try to send you the fs1 music, you can download it somewhere, or I'll prepare a music table that has renamed fs2 music, so you'll still have at least some music.
Just extract all of the music to the data/music directory, and then use the fs1 music table, as it is compatible with fs2.
About the Nuke, I was thinking of having the targeting laser launch a large bomb. This will be defined in the ssm.tbl (SubSpace missile, ever wonder what that was?).
Thanks for the address, I'm uploading it as we speak, expect it around 8:30 or 9:00 Eastern Stabdard Time. As a reference, it is now eight o'clock Eastern Standard Time, Because I don't know you locationg Thor, not because I think you don't know how to tell time.:D
dang, that took like 10 minutes to type.
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You should have seen how long it took to write the general story, which I'll mail out soon (probably tonight).
Unfortuantly, the story basically makes "super weapons" unnecessary. In fact, they're pointless in my eyes anyways.
As for testing, don't bother using me as a test subject, I uninstalled FS so long ago I don't remember when I did it anymore, and my hard drive is so small I don't have the room for both it and Planescape: Torment at the moment. And I'm not removing PS: T anytime soon.
Like I said, I'll send the thing out soon, just not right now. I'm sleepy. Later.
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Its uploading to Thors email. I think I MIGHT have a a lead on a possibility of a trailer.
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Okay, this stinks. AOL won't upload it. Its under 16 megs, but I've been uploading for almost an hour. I'll try again tomorrow, sorry guys.
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Okay, I can wait.
I meant what does Nuke mean in context to the project.
Super weapons a no? darn.
I also have some sketches for new cap ships based of of Esh Destroyer history. The early Vasudan ones look like Orion rip offs. Once I scan them in, I'll send them out. They're not that great looking though, I'm no artist.
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Just skimed the design for the Vega Engagement. I liked iit for the most part. Need to read it more carefully for details sake. I offer up more detailed opions in private, but I see that we need the Leo Battlecruiser.
I also think that we need a main character, that we can use through out the entire T-V War. I'm a fan of using a character instead of just generic ALpha 1. Thoughts?
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Originally posted by Thor
I also think that we need a main character, that we can use through out the entire T-V War. I'm a fan of using a character instead of just generic ALpha 1. Thoughts?
I'm a fan of using a character too. But we don't want to take FS into the realm of Wing Commander. It's one of those things that makes FS unique from WC. But if you can integrate it in as well as Snipes was in FS2, then I highly support this idea.
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Originally posted by Thor
Super weapons a no? darn.
I actually wanted a super weapon. A subspace missile would be good. Since they had low tech, only a very low explosive warhead could be launched from subspace. We could also expand this idea, and make a cargo container or something shoot subspace "Torpedos" from a "Sub" that is in subspace.
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Okay, let me just say that the new cap weapons look awesome. If someone has a site that allows us to put a picture in the thread, I send them a screen shot of them in action. I'm getting a few small revisions done, so they'll be ready soon. Just trust me when I say it looks really sweet. Especially off an Orion.
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If I were writing a story, I'd give the player character a name, history, the works, but this is a campaign, and most people like playing themselves. It allows them to be sucked in. Not to say I don't like the idea, I do, I just don't think it works for Freespace where its already been established that you are nameless pilot Alpha One.
The Leo is technically a battleship, though the general weapon layout is pretty pathetic, barely even with a Fenris (which is why they retired the design). The Thantos destroyer (Vasudan) should look a lot like the Orion, while the Savior should not. For the campaign I sent you, we really shouldn't need either. We will probably need some outpost designs though, as well as some older fighters and frieghters skinned for use as pirate vessels.
If you've got comments on the story, send them to me when you can. I can make changes (I still say no to superweapons), but I'll argue my case so be ready for it.
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About superweapons. We can vote on it later. I like democracy. Anyways, I kind of want to have some new models and stuff. I mean, they can't have used Angels, Apollos, and ML-16s for the whole war.
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Well, it said in the story that there was a leo. But it doesn't matter, we still need one. Superweapons will be disscussed later. How is the upload problem going Hades?
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Okay, I was looking at Peg's concept site, and there are some interesting ships that we should seriously consider. Also, I really want to know what to call this darn project. And what could I put up on the website, so we have cool things to show off. And who should I credit as staff other than the big three (Thats myself, Esh and Hades,). And Hades, get a real ISP, not AOL. It doesn't even have to be High speed, just something that ain't AOL.
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Alright, here is what you do Hades. take everything out of the.vp and send it in pieces to me, along with a list of what i should end up with. Then I'll put it back into a .vp and then we can release.
I am also getting one of my new weapons altered so that it can be used to replace the AAA beams.
Now someone talk to me, or I'll think I'm crazy.;)
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Of course we'll have more, different fighters in the campaign, that's a given. But a superweapon, in pre-Shivan FS? That's just silly. I wrote the story so that the entire thing could be done with old tech, no beams, no multigigaton bombs, no superweapons. Adding them could and would laugh in the face of Freespace canon.
If you want a vote, take mine down as nay now, because I won't change it.
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Enough with the beams already!
Look, we need to approach this as if you were given FS2 and had to come up with FS1. You would strip off the beams, flak, and shields, right? OK, now take another step backwards, so we have really crude space combat that develops into what we see in the beginning of FS1. Perhaps having no bomber turrets, then having them developed and then you're given the Medusa as an uber-bomber? Or inventing aspect seeking missiles, or afterburners, or countermeasures. Take everything you take for granted in FS1 and strip them down.
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The GTC Damocles, a T-V war era cruiser.
Model originally by Dark, rebuilt by looking at a single render by me.
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/shrike/damocles.jpg)
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Nice ship!!
Your right. This is now a dictatorship. No superweapons. Also, we shouldn't just give them stones and sticks to throw at each other, but I think it should be basically machine gun based. That's why we need some ammunition limited primaries from teh source code guys.
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With a little scuffing up of the skin, it would make a decent Leo. Then that class would have a real name instead of my placeholder.
Additional: We can make ammoed primaries now, I think. Just drop the reactor power of the models down to zero. Of course, then that model can't use energy weapons. That's why I put a destinction between pre-energy weapon fighters and the rest.
You did get that extra long bit with the timeline Hades? I thought I had someone send that to you.
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That would work, but we'd have to have two of each ship, say a GTF Apollo, and a GTF Apollo#Ammo, or something like that. Also, the player wouldn't be able to rearm, but that might add a different element. You have no shields, no beams, no flak, but if you aren't accurate, you run out of bullets.
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That Damacles, I like it. But is anybody willing to texture it like a Fenris. That would give us some cinsistancy. or maybe skin it like an Orion.
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Okay, thats why I made the Beam replacement weapons. It won't conflict with FS1 and it will speed up cap battles.
Personally, I think we shouldn't have to deal with the source code. We won't need it. I'm sure there is something we can do on the limeted ammo primaries without it. I'll ask around.
Don't bother reskining The Damocles guys. It looks good and different enough to be considered old. IT'll just add more to what we have to do.
What should I add to the web site?
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One thing I'm trying to do is make the engine glows on missiles larger. This makes missiles look like most video games. I would prefer a reskin of the Damacles, but I think its okay as it is. Thor's right, it would add more to the to-do list. But if anybody not working on the project is bored, and does a reskin, you will be properly credited.
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I think you can rearm no reactor models. They'll recharge the primary bar, I believe. As well as the afterburner bar.
For fighter development, earlier models of the Apollo couldn't use energy weapons at all, and the later models (the modern Apollo) couldn't use ammoed weapons at all. That way you pick the version you want and you don't have to worry about any special coding to switch which model it is (or slide an extra into each slot). You could pick either the older, slower, Apollo C or the fancy new Apollo D. Some fighters (like the Athena) were never designed to carry ammoed primaries. With the exception of the Apollo, the rest of the fighters could either be designated ammoed or energy, never both.
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So Hades, will I ever get to use a copy of the MOD?;) Try my suggestion and send it over, and I'll add in a few things, like my weapons. Then I'll put it up on the site, and we'll be ready to do the Vega Engagement. It won't really require many new ships I don't think.
Also Shrike, is there an ingame version of the Damocles yet, or does it still only exist as a model?
I for one don't really want four or five Apollo variations. two maybe, but five is overkill. I'd rather see some ship designs that we havn't seen or used before. I not sure you'll agree, but only being able to fly Apollo's would get a little dull. Variety is so much better. But thats just my opinion. In anycase, we don't need to worry about that yet. Lets put together a list of what we need to make the Vega Engagement.
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(http://www.lares.dti.ne.jp/~hamano/FS/tico8161.jpg)
this is a ship from this (http://www.lares.dti.ne.jp/~hamano/FS/fs000.htm) site i found in a google. unfortunatly the boreas is the only d/l there. it's pretty cool tho.
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Originally posted by Thor
Also Shrike, is there an ingame version of the Damocles yet, or does it still only exist as a model?
Only exists as a MAX file because the idea of converting it to FS got dropped before I finished it.
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Can you finish it Shrike, or would you like us to find someone to do it?
I really like that other ship, I'm going to try and get a copy, what ever it takes.
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Originally posted by Vasudan Admiral
(http://www.lares.dti.ne.jp/~hamano/FS/tico8161.jpg)
this is a ship from this (http://www.lares.dti.ne.jp/~hamano/FS/fs000.htm) site i found in a google. unfortunatly the boreas is the only d/l there. it's pretty cool tho.
That is, actually, pretty damn nice :nod:. Although his Orion Mk.II looks pretty much like a straight mirror of the :V: model with a big gun bolted on the front.
EDIT: Although it looks like that model may be a bit high poly - the machinery detail looks, er, 'busy'. although, the Fenris hull is a pretty simple thing............ so I dunno.
EDIT2: Soddit, that is very nice work. And the Orion 2 looks a lot more detailed and original than my first impressions.
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Originally posted by Shrike
The GTC Damocles, a T-V war era cruiser.
Model originally by Dark, rebuilt by looking at a single render by me.
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/shrike/damocles.jpg)
I think Ace has that model, actually... he asked me to finsih the skin for it (I said no, cos I loathe skinning in all honesty. and I'm, very busy.)
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Well I sent off an e-mail asking for it. Hopefully they will say yes. If it is too many polies, which I doubt as they seem to be making them FS ready anyway, we can allways fix it. I'll also PM Ace to see if he has the model.
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I got us a carrier. Ryx gave us permission to use it. I'll try converting it today, and give it a borrowed table. I'll need someone to make it a proper table though.
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Originally posted by aldo_14
I think Ace has that model, actually... he asked me to finsih the skin for it (I said no, cos I loathe skinning in all honesty. and I'm, very busy.)
Really? It's been a while, I don't remember what I did with it. My model doesn't have all the turrets it should, I can say that much.
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On the Apollo, there were five models over the entire war (A, C and D were fighters, B-1 and B-2 were bomber varients). At any one time there was only three models in service up until a few years before the Great War when the C was retired from front line (aka GTA) service. The C's would show up in this campaign thanks to the local defense forces having the crap the GTA itself didn't want any more. Also the reason they got a Leo.
And that extended Fenris looks almost exactly as I would picture a Leo. It just needs some big guns to complete the look.
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I'm going to try and upload it again tonight (Now). If it times out, I'll try again tomorrow, if it does it again, I'll e-mail parts of it to Thor.
I have also made a sort of "Space Tank" out of the finished stuff in Aldos Model dump 2. Using some sounds from MechWarrior3.
I might consider that we use the Orion 2, renamed, as a carrier. It would go something like the Collossus. Two or three built, but they stopped building when one was destroyed. Too many losses per ship. That big gun looks like an awesome Torpedo launcher.
I also want that Ticonderoga model. It would make the perfect Leo.
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Did you guys miss the part on where I said we have a carrier? YEs, a lovely one by Ryx, that just needs some converting if I understand it right. I personally didn't like the Orion 2 that much, and besides, Esh may kill you if you try to get a super weapon:lol: We don't need it. That's what the Orion Mk 1 is for. Also, could someone please tell me what to put on the site. It looks rather empty.
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Yes, I saw your post about the carrier in that thread. I completely agree with you. And your right, Eishtmo will freak. Anyway, I've made a machine gun. Its called, what else, the M Gun. Its pretty nice. Uses sounds from Mechwarrior 3. It rips hulls to shreads, but uses a lot of energy.
EDIT: Wow. This thread is siz pages long!
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Just sent the .zip to Thor. It worked this time.
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Yes Thor, to bad your E-MAIL DOESN'T WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just got my e-mail back, apparently, your e-mail account is screwed up.
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Damn it. Here is my e-mail [email protected] ([email protected])
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Thor? Are you around?
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Wouldn somebody reply? I feel like I'm talking to myself. It is scary!
quote]Originally posted by Thor
Damn it. Here is my e-mail [email protected] ([email protected]) [/quote]
That's the address I used. It sent my stuff right back to me. I'll try again today though.
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Wouldn somebody reply? I feel like I'm talking to myself. It is scary!
Look at the three in a row I did. thats freaky. Try the things I suggested n my e-mail, starting with a zip version.
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Could you send me that Ticonderoga model too? It would make a great canship for my persinail TC (name is for me to know and you to fined out)
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ARRRRGGGGGHHHH! STUPID OUTLOOK!
Okay, were having a slight problem getting me the mod, simply because MS Outlook is dumb. I blame it for all my problems. But don't worry, several contingency plans are being formed. I'll get it soon, I hope, and then you all will get it.
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Em....I may have something for you in a wee bit, as part of a modpack I've been preparing. A 'cutter' class ship, smaller than a cruiser with slightly less weaponry and a weaker hull - based on a Leviathan, though, so a bit 'retro.
(the idea is, it's illegal in the GTVA to have armed civillian vessels at cruiser size and beyond- this is a corporate vessel for escort duties and the occassional starliner work)
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Thanks aldo. I've been looking EVERYWHERE for stuff based on Leviathan and Fenris crap. Will it have similiar textures also?
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Mind if I get a look at the other ships you guys have? Just out of curiosity.
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Originally posted by Eishtmo
I think you can rearm no reactor models. They'll recharge the primary bar, I believe. As well as the afterburner bar.
You are half right. I've tested this countless times. The weapon charge will recharge, but the afterburner fuel will not.
A good idea you could use in this mod is to have afterburners that only have a limited amount of fuel, rather than being able to recharge. There are two ways you can do this in FS. (well, it is called fuel, not over-heating, so where is that extra fuel coming from?)
Originally posted by Hades
That Damacles, I like it. But is anybody willing to texture it like a Fenris. That would give us some cinsistancy. or maybe skin it like an Orion.
I would be willing to do this if someone was willing to give the model to me to do it.
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After consulting with my father, he has confirmed that Outlook will only accept files that are under 5mb, as is the website. the problem is that the mod is 7mb ziped. Any Ideas anyone?
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I've got the Damocles model, it'll be good practice to make skins. Or steal skins if I get desperate, which is easy to do.
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Well, if you steal skins (I was about to do this also), steal them from the Leviathan, Faustus, or Orion.
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Originally posted by Pegasus V
You are half right. I've tested this countless times. The weapon charge will recharge, but the afterburner fuel will not.
I knew the fuel wouldn't, but I thought the weapon charge would be off too. It's at least a real slow charge, isn't it?
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Originally posted by Hades
Well, if you steal skins (I was about to do this also), steal them from the Leviathan, Faustus, or Orion.
The Orion is the only one where that would really work, because it's got generic textures and not model-specific ones.
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Originally posted by Hades
Thanks aldo. I've been looking EVERYWHERE for stuff based on Leviathan and Fenris crap. Will it have similiar textures also?
Here;
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/reciprocity/wipshots/testcutter1.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/reciprocity/wipshots/testcutter2.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/reciprocity/wipshots/testcutter3.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/reciprocity/wipshots/testcutter4.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/reciprocity/wipshots/testcutter5.jpg)
I drew all the textures from scratch 'cept the engine ones, so it's not perfect, but I think it's ok..... the UV was an utter bugger though. I'll be finishing it soon enough, I s'pose.
I'm not sure how high the lighting was when I rendered it, though... it's a wee bit darker than initially appears IIRC.
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Ohh! Purty!:eek:
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Originally posted by Hades
I have also made a sort of "Space Tank" out of the finished stuff in Aldos Model dump 2. Using some sounds from MechWarrior3.
? what one?
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Absolutely awesome model!!!! That would make the PERFECT predecessor to the Orion. How far is it from being done?
About the tank, I decided not to use it. It was made out of the railgun model, and the ship that went with it.
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Hades, I think i have the answer to our problem.
goto http://www.webattack.com/freeware/downloader/fwfilesplit.shtml (http://www.webattack.com/freeware/downloader/fwfilesplit.shtml)
and pick slice-and-save.
then e-mail me the files seprately.
That should work.
....maybe.....
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Originally posted by Hades
Absolutely awesome model!!!! That would make the PERFECT predecessor to the Orion. How far is it from being done?
Well, it was designed to be a Fenris type ship (slightly smaller infact), the smallest armed vessel allowed for civillians....so it'll be scaled in the 170-210m range.
As far as being done, the LODs need done, the debris (and the live debris for the radar needs mapped) needs done, then into ts5, then poffing.
I should point out that it's weakly armed (in FS2-spec) with few broadside turrets (only 2 missile turrets on the struts, 4 rotational missile/flak launchers on the sides, 4 rotating laser / LR Flak guns), and the side mounted barrelled turrets are for the sheer fun of having a set of frontal 'barrage' guns. If you want to actually turret and scale the thing to your own specs, I'll send you the 3ds and bmp files for it, though.
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No, I'll take EXACTLY what you have. I'll retable it and rename it something else, but I LOVE the model. If I have any extra time, I MIGHT try to resking it in the Fenris style. Also, it is small, so not that powerful, which explains why the Orion was built.
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don't reskin, it looks really cool with that skin. Are you going to try my suggestion?
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About the reskin, I wasn't going to release it anyway. I love the ones it has. And yes, the e-mail will be given to you once I'm finished uploading. I suggest adding some of your own weapons, as well as a GTM-73 Antagonist (A little less powerful than the Tsunami). The Barracuda will be our standard space bomb ( I left in all of the new weapons by Galactic Emperor). Also Thor, you and Eishtmo can delete some stuff, especially the lasers. Just keep the missiles that cam eiwht the fs1port.
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Originally posted by Hades
No, I'll take EXACTLY what you have. I'll retable it and rename it something else, but I LOVE the model. If I have any extra time, I MIGHT try to resking it in the Fenris style. Also, it is small, so not that powerful, which explains why the Orion was built.
Thinking the same thing eh? well I got me guns working now as I need new models so other than it's all just for me, and I might make it public :nervous: but thats a "BIG" MIGHT:)
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I'm sorry, but I didn't get anything out of that post except this:
You are thinking the same thing, ehh? Well, I've been pulling some strings, and its all mine. I might make a public release, but thats a BIG MIGHT.
I don't think this is correct AT ALL, so please send me a PM explaining what you meant. I AM EXTREMELY sorry.
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I'll have a little look at it when I get it. If anyone has anything they want put in, send it to me and I'll see if it will fit. Make sure it has a read me file, title with the name of your work (so I won't have 50 read.me files that I have to look through:D ) Hopefully I get the files and everything works the way its supposed to work. So, let the onslaught begin, the mail is [email protected] ([email protected]) Remeber, if it is more than 5mb, I can't get it by e-mail.
Thor
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Yes, anybody having a Pre-T-V War/T-V War MOD, send it in. We will try to accomidate everything. Also, anybody with a fast connection and fs1 that can upload the music in bits of 5 mb would be a great help. Also, include the ORIGINAL DESCENT: FREESPACE Music table, you don't need to modify the fs2 one, the fs1 music table is completely compatible with fs2. I know uploading this much music in increments of 5 mb is daunting, but put it all in a .zip, then use http://www.webattack.com/freeware/d...filesplit.shtml
Scroll down to slice and save, and use that.
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Hey guys, don't flood me with e-mails:ha: . Just a note, use my link to webattack, Hades's link for some reason comes up with a page not found error. Please send me things folks, as it will only help to make this MOD that much better. I'll take fighters, weapons, Cap ships, anything at all to make it cool. I thought I might toss in the Nav lights, seeing as we lost a third of the ships by removing the Shivans. So please send things in. If you want to help by FREDing the Vega Engagement, then please, by all means offer.
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Yes, I think you should throw in the nav lights. Also, I'm working on a demo mission. Make sure the stars table has all of the fs2 stuff, plus earth.pcx. I'll probably redo everything once Thor gets the MOD up on the site. Anyway, the demo will be about three or four missions long, and will take place in 2322. A few years before the Vega Engagement. And I don't know why the link is broken. Thor has the same link a few posts up, use that.
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So do I actually get the mod, or is it just a myth;) Oh, yeah, where is the earth.pcx from, I may or may not have that.
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I e-mailed the MOD to you. And any picture of earth will do, but I got mine from the fs1port.
The original message was received at Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:38:47 -0400 (EDT)
See, I sent it to you. But then it got rejected. Said the message was too big. My MOD isn't worth all this trouble. Once I have some extremely good stuff, I'll release, I'll probably try again tonight, and send both of teh sliced files through different e-mails.
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that was the idea of slicing them. Try it once more, than, seeing how they are now under 5mb each, put them up on the site.
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(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/reciprocity/wipshots/pirahna1.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/reciprocity/wipshots/pirahna2.jpg)
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(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/reciprocity/wipshots/pirahna5.jpg)
Zip file;
http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/reciprocity/downloads/pirahna.zip
Er... there's some minor clipping in the top side-by side turrets (01-02), throught the underside of the hull... unfortunately i can;t really move them much, so I'm not sure i can really fix it, or if it's even a major problem.... the weapons in the tbl need changed, obviously.... and the textures seem a bit underdetailed possibly, so I may play with them a bit more.
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I'll try it out.
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Thor, I think I'll make the MOD on my computer. You guys give me what you have, and since I know where to send it, it should work. I'll put everything together, and release it. And what should we call that. How about the GTD Defiance class? Raise the hitpoints and such. Or we could just leave it as a cutter, or maybe a cruiser. And Thor, when I'm done adding this, I'll send the whole thing to you, along with a two mission demo.
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Yeah, we could use a cutter. Leave it as is. The name, well Defiance is a little to Trekish, so lets try calling the class the GTCt
Sentinel. [in best tech description voice] Designed to guard the outpost of the GTA, the Sentinel class cutter is a small, but powerful warship designed as the first line of defence against enemy ships. Also used by the Galactic Terran Civilian Police, the Sentinel is perfect for interdiction missions involving heavy pirate activity and by GTI as solo watchdogs in contested space where a Science Cruiser would be easily destroyed. Sentinels have been reported to be in use by private companies, but none have been identified confirmed.[/in best tech description voice]
Just put what you have up, or send it to me. I'll then add my things. Nothing I have is so crucial that we can delay putting out the mod. We'll just have versions of the release.
Shrike, how is your ship comming?
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I'm fixing some MAJOR flaws, and yes, let's keep it as a cutter. I didn't realize it was so small compared to the Orion.
Thor, you will get the stuff tonight.
EDIT: I also need to make hi_res stuff for the new hud graphics.
EDIT: Sorry, table flaws. And I used the Babylon Project's earth atmosphere. I named it the GTC Defiance, but Thor can change the anem when he gets it (In about 9 e-mails)
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Use a Viking name for an FS1-era ship;
Asgard
Asgard, in Norse mythology, is one of the nine worlds and the homeland of the Aesir, the race of warrior gods.
Midgard
In Norse myth, the defensive fortress which the gods build about the middle portion of the earth allotted to men in order to protect mankind from the giants.
Freya
In Norse mythology, Freya is a goddess of love and fertility, and the most beautiful and propitious of the goddesses.
Laga
In Norse mythology, Laga is the goddess of wells and springs
Forseti
In Norse mythology, Forseti is the god of justice
Asynjur
The name of the Norse goddesses who belong to the Aesir.
Sleipnir
According to Norse mythology, the wall that enclosed Asgard was destroyed during a war between the Vanir and the Aesir, leaving the gods vulnerable to a
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I hope:p And what kind of major flaws?
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op
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Forseti would work for the idea i was aiming at.
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Originally posted by Thor
I hope:p And what kind of major flaws?
With the Pirahna?
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So would Sleipnir
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could be. You just got rid of some of the other names Aldo that weren't one the first list.
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Originally posted by Thor
could be. You just got rid of some of the other names Aldo that weren't one the first list.
I was using 'em, that's why ;)
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oh. Do you have anything else that your not using, and want to give us?
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Originally posted by Thor
oh. Do you have anything else that your not using, and want to give us?
no. But if I get bored I might throw up something else. :)
BTW, what are the 'major flaws' with the Pirahna (nee Forseti), Hades? Seeing as I'll need to fix them at some point, anyway.
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I found Analazon's model (sorry if mispelled your name) while looking for ships. There was a download, a .scn i think, which i grabbed, but there are a few problems. its high poly for starts. Do you think it can be fixed?
(http://www.tgfx.com/travis/Icharus.jpg)
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I saw this, but I think it would be hell to texture.
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What if we got rid of all of the smaller objects in the front, and turned them into textures on a solid block. that would lower the polies and make it easier to texture.
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NEVER lower polys!
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Or resize it so that cargo TC 2 cargo containers fit inside that wire frame thing, and get rid of the center blocky bit? Thor, the e-mailsa re on there way. You will get 2 files.
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We lower polies when it won't work in FS. Yeah Hades, that would work. I'll wait for the e-mails then.
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Sorry, they bounced due to an over filed inbox (piece of S**** Outlook :mad: ). Send them again, I cleared out space. I'm sorry this is such a hassle. My bad.:blah:
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That's okay, Iit gave me some time to perfect the MOD. It now contains only fs1 weapons, but I think I forgot and left in the flak, that would be deadly with no shields, and GTI has some pretty advanced stuff......
Anyway, I'm doing it again. try to add everything you have, put it in a nother .vp, then ship it off to the site, and post a link on this thread.
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Just read the thread: great mods so far, guys. I like the Fenris-esque heavy cruiser, and I'm kind of proud you're using the Barracuda. (Just remember it's Vasduan.) Plenty of good Terran stuff.
What I'd like to ask for is a Vasudan light bomber, about the same capability as the Athena or Zeus. It should look similar to the Anubis because it's from the same design team. This would be good because you don't want to send Amuns after a Leviathan, do you? (The Osiris was a later bomber to replace the amun.) I'd like to table and POF edit it, if you don't mind.
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Yes, I based the whole dang thing on your conversion, and your MOD gave me the idea. Actually, I'm usng the Barracuda as a Terran bomb, but we can make a copy and call it something else. We are also using the Fang, and Havoc. Just asking, you want to help us? Your help would be appreciated.
EDIT: fang is still Vasudan, but the Barracuda is both Terran and Vasudan. (Like the Fury and MX-50 was in fs1)
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Its away!!!! The MOD has been sent to Thor, and he assures me it WILL work this time. Release should be EXTREMELY soon. Maybe tonight, or as late as later this week.
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Thor!!! What the f_ck is the matter with your e-mail. E-mail me the info about the site, and I'll upload it my self.
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I not sure. It being wierd on me and I don't like it. Anyway, I fired off an e-mail with an alternate address, and the info on how to access the site. I'm really sorry.:( I'll take the computer outback and give it a good beating for you.
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if you beat it, then you won't be able to get my e-mail (Again). I'll upload all of the files to the site, then you can see if I can't post them in the download section as the Beta version.
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Now the upload limit of 1 mb is screwing me up.
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the upload limit on the site is 5mb. That must be on your end. apology accepted by the way.
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The upload limit on the hotmail address is 2mb. I' am using 3k at the moment.
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Okay, We seriously need to talk to an admin about our hosting. That would solve all of our problems.
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Originally posted by GalacticEmperor
What I'd like to ask for is a Vasudan light bomber, about the same capability as the Athena or Zeus. It should look similar to the Anubis because it's from the same design team. This would be good because you don't want to send Amuns after a Leviathan, do you? (The Osiris was a later bomber to replace the amun.) I'd like to table and POF edit it, if you don't mind.
I'm working on a reskin of the GVB Imset for this. I just need Woomeister's permission and someone to resize it.
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To keep with realism. I have named all of the ships "PV" nstead of "GV". Sorry to say this will break compatibility with Galactic Emperor's port. The other thing that will break it is the Prometheus. It isn't the S variant. I have gotten it as close to the fs1 version as I can. it is now just the plain ole' Prometheus.
Here's a list of things I'm going to do:
Fix S-Breaker color, and laser.
I MIGHT do the hornet trails like fs1, where they are blue.
I really like the Avenger sound from the port, but I'm trying to keep this real, so I'm using the original from fs1.
Vasudan Huge Turret will be red, Vasudan Turret will be that tanish color.
Import as many fs1 HUD graphics as possible.
As you can see. This will be as much an fs1 TC, as a T-V War one. If I have time after the Vega Engagement is done, I will probably take a look at Galactic Emperor's port. I'll edit the missions to support my stuff.
And ADMINS!!!!!! When is that hosting going to come into effect!!
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Just a little update. The fs1 Galatea main hall is almost done. I'll just leave the Bastion out, and leave the Vasudan one. Whos knows, the Vasudan one may be of some use. I've also gotten a bunch of fs1 sounds and music to use.
EDIT: Mainhall is done.
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I think I'm going to cry. :( Oh well, just keep working on it until we can put it up.
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As soon as we get out hosting, then I'l upload the whole thing. Also, Thor, do you have anything you were going to put into it? I'm planning the Beta release as a .exe.
Now I'm off to start on the briefing, campaign room, barracks, and all that good stuff.
EDIT: It is friggin awesome!!!! As soon as our hosting is up. I'll publicaly release it as Beta version.
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Yes I do. Um, I'll try to find it all.
Do to a screwed up host, bioth the T-V War and ITHOV Sites are missing in action. There will be a new temp host shortly.
Also, THere is a new private forum we can use. If any one who is interested on becomming a full fledge member of the team, goto the forum in my sig. Make sure to register, then send me a pm. Hades, Esh, do that asap.
Edit: hey to milestones! This thread is now 200 posts long, and I am now over 500 posts made! way to go!
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MOD is now in version 4.1. Its in four .rar's. The largest is 86megs, the smallest is 6 megs.
EDIT: I just need somewhere to upload it to, and BAM! The whole community can play the newest TC.
In version 4.1, the MOD is more like an Freespace1 conversion. Its got some 14 year war stuff in it also. I am currently making a copy of the ships, weapons, and music tables so that the MOD can be configured to work with the fs1port.
I just thought of something. Galactic Emperor, can I upload to the fs1port site? Since you did make a lot of the weapons, and the MOD is completely compatable with your campaign.
I just need this file on the web. Just to brag, and hopefully get some people interested. Here are some features that are included:
[list=1]
- New mainhall, taken out of fs1. The Galatea.
- All of the Descent: Freespace, The Great War weapons, and then some.
- New sounds, HUD graphics and Music.
- Complete Compatibility with the fs1port project.
- Features the GTF Angel, and the GTC Defiance (Defiance will be renamed)
- Ultra Hi resolution maps.
- Freespace1 selection icons.
- Silent Threat in the works.
- After public release, the Terran Vasudan war will be made.
[/list=1]
Well, thats about it, has some stuff that I didn't mention, but not much.
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Um, woh! Maybe you should make the smaller. No one with a 56k will ever be able to down load them. split everything up.
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yeah, I'm going to let people download it by folder. ex. effects, models.
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Ok thats good.
The sites will be located at http://ca.geocities.com/thor_doft until we get hosted. or until i find somewhere better. don't go there yet, there's nothing there
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Okay, downloading by folder is getting smaller downloads. Music is still massive though, also, if you want musical compatibility with the fs1port, you'll just have to use the standard fs2 table.
I have finished act one of the freespace campaign. Its just edited so you can use the original music.
EDIT:okay. Its ready for upload. I just can't upload it.
Music and Cbanims are the biggest. Music is 37 megs, and cbanims is around 55 megs. You don't really need the cbanims though, so I won't uploa them until later. Almost everything else is only a couple megs, and most of the stuff is still in kilobytes.
EDIT2: Okay, cbanims are 63 megs.
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Geocities does uploads of 5mb. I know this for a fact.
That is the current location of our site.
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The site is up after a good hour or so of uploading
goto http://ca.geocities.com/thor_doft/ (http://ca.geocities.com/thor_doft/)
enjoy!:D
Edit: links in my sig updated!
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ow....the text hurts your eyes until the background loads...
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how it looks while loading isn't my fault. It looks good once it is done though.
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I'm starting a new thread to show the site.
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Alright, some news.
In keeping with Freespace1 ideals, I have taken out the Laserglows for the player weapons. Turrets still have them though.
Also, I'm preparing a massively scaled down version so that FREDing may begin. No new music, only renamed stuff, smaller tables. Barely any animations. It will include the new main hall, but no new HUD Graphics. Also, this MOD will be built for low-res play.
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Okay, I'll send you the weapons for the caps
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Send it by either [email protected] , or [email protected].
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sending
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Photon laser things are definately in. I'm updating the fenirs, Levi, and Orion. These are the best damn user made turrets I have ever seen.
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I'll tell that to my weapons guru, erick satire.
Note these are to be used instead of beams. They are great fun to watch. Send me a screen of a fire fight, and i'll put it up on the site.
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I'll set some up. How about a Fenris, and an Aten. Then an orion and a Typhon?
I didn't even know you could use .pof's for primarys, It has never worked for me.
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Hades, go put in the carrier from Ryx's another carrier thread. Test it first to make sure its fine, then toss it in a the Sagitarious Carrier Esh describe. it needs a name though.
Well they aren't primaries. they're cap weapons.
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Umm, that other carrier is a .cob, and I can't convert .cob to .pof cause the cob to pof prog won't run on WinXP.
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I'll try to do it when I get a chance. won't be until tommorow.
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Okay. That's fine.
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Okay. I have prepared a scaled down version. its an .exe. About 27 megs, But I've sliced it into 6 parts. You'll get 6 e-mails. Each with a part, and one with the Batch file to bring it back together.
So, make a list. Who wants some?
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Originally posted by Thor
Hades, go put in the carrier from Ryx's another carrier thread. Test it first to make sure its fine, then toss it in a the Sagitarious Carrier Esh describe. it needs a name though.
Well they aren't primaries. they're cap weapons.
For the Vega Engagement, the Sage isn't necessary. Also, I am very attached to the class name, though the Leo can be changed at the drop of the hat. Also, the GTCa (or whatever) Sagitarious (actual ship name, not just class) I'd like reserved, so if you need an individual name, find something else.
We need to develop an ammoed emulator for the primaries. Bombs need to be dumbed down in tracking and power. Ideally, bombs are primarily used to disarm large ships and destroy small (cruiser) ones. Thus the reason for the Stilleto space bomb.
Early disrupters could make an appearence. Also, that story outline for VE only highlights the major missions. More and different missions can be plugged in (probably should be) along the way, as long as they don't run counter to the actual story.
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Love to include it. But I need a .pof version.
Also, who says beams couldn't make an appearence? Extremely weak ones with barely any damage to capital ships. Fighter mounted. I mean, Terrans didn't invent laser pulse cannons first, they used primitive laser beams.
Beams would do very little damage, and consume massive amounts of power. Thus creating the need for the ML-16 Laser.
We'll just have as a requirement you be running fs2_open3.2.
Also, about missions. Could you choose near the ned of the campaign whether to join the GTI, or stay in the GTA? GTA missions are regular type missions against Vasudans. GTI missions use advanced weapons, and ships. But they are extremely difficult and complicated.
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I can't get any of these dam converters to work, so if someone else could do it, then great.
No beams, and especially no open.exe. This is for both history reasons, and because I don't like using the open exe. just remember this, K.I.S.S (or Keep it simple stupid).
I do like that idea. Yeah, chose GTI or GTA
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Yeah, I didn't think beams would be any hit. But I just like to post my ideas in case you guys want to add them.
So. I should work on some GTI only weaps and ships?
The fs1 selection icons are working great. They serve a duel purpose.
a.) Make it more fs1 stylish. better experience.
b.) Its a lot easier to make new selection icons that "fit in", and don't look different than the others.
I have an interface icon for an energy weapon. Not sure what do do with it. I think I'll the GTW-73 Nemesis laser. I'm working on a rifle. GTI's newest prototype machine gun. it will later evolve into the Avenger.
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cool that sounds good. Get to work on those ships.
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IT has just been confirmed, the e-mails are on the way, we will be HOSTED!!!:cool: Shrike is collecting information, so Hades, reply to shrike re: the e-mail I just forwarded to you. Expect a release to come as soon as the paper work is done. Riven, the nice people he is, is making us a new website. So prep some stuff for him to put up. This is good news folks.
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Freespace 1 port part done. Just need to fix some interface a little. I have alternate entries for the prometheus (Prometheus S) and the Vasudans (GV not PV) to make it compatable with Galactic Emperor. After all, his MOD gave me the inspiration, and its the best campaign around, way better than the original fs1.
Anyway, as far as TVWar stuff. I only have three weapons (two primaries, and one secondary) that are complete. By complete, I mean, interface, sounds, been tested. The works. More coming out VERY fast.
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Originally posted by Hades
Freespace 1 port part done. Just need to fix some interface a little. I have alternate entries for the prometheus (Prometheus S) and the Vasudans (GV not PV) to make it compatable with Galactic Emperor. After all, his MOD gave me the inspiration, and its the best campaign around, way better than the original fs1.
Anyway, as far as TVWar stuff. I only have three weapons (two primaries, and one secondary) that are complete. By complete, I mean, interface, sounds, been tested. The works. More coming out VERY fast.
So will the new ships be in the FS1 look?, or are you going for something new but old?
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So far everything we have has been released in one thread or another in this forum. We have a cruiser by Aldo, and the GTF Angel.
New weapons so far include two primaries and two secondaries. All with new selection icons. I'm using some names of weapons that didn't make it into the game, or were renamed.
Primaries; flux and Phalanx. The Phalanx is like the Avenger, but faster speed, lower damage, and lower rate of fire.
Secondaries; I have a dumbfire rocket, and a heat seeker.
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not to mention new cap weapons. Erick by the way, says thank you for your appreciation Hades.
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Okay, the file is uploaded to HLP. I just don't know the exact URL. I used the upload files thing.
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I just got an e-mail from a very nice guy, with it a little attachment. So I'm pleased to Announce that The GTC Ticonderoga is ours to play with, as long as he's credited, so YAY! It just needs to be converted to a pof and have a table written for it. but it is tectured and ready to sail.
Also, we need a name for the so called Defiance. Several where suggested, but is there any you like?
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Originally posted by Thor
I just got an e-mail from a very nice guy, with it a little attachment. So I'm pleased to Announce that The GTC Ticonderoga is ours to play with, as long as he's credited, so YAY! It just needs to be converted to a pof and have a table written for it. but it is tectured and ready to sail.
Also, we need a name for the so called Defiance. Several where suggested, but is there any you like?
So how do we go about the Uplodeing probs?:confused:
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Thor, can you e-mail me the Ticonderoga? I'll see if I can't convert it. I probably won't be able to, but I'll try anyway. I'll also write the table.
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e-mail on the way.
The upload issue won't be an issue once he get access to our HLP space. Which you'll have to pester Shrike about when that will be. Speaking of Shrike, how is that model you and ___(um, I forgot who else) are doing comming along?
And Hades, try doing one of Ryx's carriers as well, while your converting things. I recomend the second one
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I said I'll try to convert it. I don't know the first thing about converting, but If I want to be a good MODer, I'll have to try.
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If you want one of the carriers I'm about to upload this one if you want it...
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/inferno/screens/ryxcarrier1.jpg)
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*is in awe*
More of W-Man's voodoo magic. :)
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Well if anyone wants it, here it is.
http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/inferno/extra/Lenaeus.zip
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Thanks. I'm not sure if I'll make it a carrier though. I might make it a sort of Battlecruiser.
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Originally posted by Hades
Thanks. I'm not sure if I'll make it a carrier though. I might make it a sort of Battlecruiser.
Hay......... thats what I think, the great minds think alike!:rolleyes:
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I am thinking about GTD Pleides.
Because this is such a commonly used thread, can an admin make it a sticky?
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Well if you want. I didn't turret it to fight though that's why it only has 2 beam cannons. You'll also have to explain the 4 fighterbays :)
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I'm thinking about that. Anyway, I am trying to get a superpowerful weapons to stick on it. Right now it is a destroyer.
Okay, I've been looking on the net for some more stuff. Here's what i got:
A Vasudan Mine
Vasudan Installation; Its actually an Arcadia reskin, but I've come up with a VERY good explanation for why it looks like an Arcadia.
Terran Bomber, Jotun.
Weapons platform, its now the Sol Defensive Battery.
And some other stuff. If anybody can convert models, can you help us? We need to Ticonderoga converted.
Also, does anybody know of a site which will give us FREE webhosting with no upload limit. I know we'll have hlp, and I've already uploaded, but I'm impatient.
:)
EDIT: Also, that thing is a butt kicking machine in the TVWar time period. I wasn't going to put beam cannons on it anyway.
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Ah the Ticonderoga, I loved that ship when I saw it a long time ago :D
I'll try to convert it, but I can't gurantee it'll work since it looks high poly.
If you want me to try send it to:
[email protected]
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Hay could I reskin that carrier to make it look like the Oroin?
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Sure I guess. If it looks good enough, I'll put it in the MOD.
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Do you think I should make the Vasudans Shivan? I'll change the engine glows so they still look Vasudan, but they will be hostile by default. It would make it so much easier if they were hostile by default as you will fight them through the whole campaign.
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Why would you need to do that? Just set the enemy fighters to hostile and be done with it. I couldn't make a mission to save my life, but I know it doesn't take that much work to make a group of ship hostile.
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I already did it. It isn't that much, but having the Vasudans hostile kind of fits in with the concept of the Terran Vasudan War. I'm probably going to remove the Shivans, so it would look funny with no hostiles. I might try to get some ships and make a sort of mercenary race that uses the Vasudan stats. They will have some of each races ships, modified a little to make them a little less powerful. You will be both allied, and not allied with them. Or I could make the GTI a whole new race in FRED. Since they are superior to the GTA.
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Originally posted by Hades
I already did it. It isn't that much, but having the Vasudans hostile kind of fits in with the concept of the Terran Vasudan War. I'm probably going to remove the Shivans, so it would look funny with no hostiles. I might try to get some ships and make a sort of mercenary race that uses the Vasudan stats. They will have some of each races ships, modified a little to make them a little less powerful. You will be both allied, and not allied with them. Or I could make the GTI a whole new race in FRED. Since they are superior to the GTA.
That would be cool:nod: I was hopeing for something like that, it dose say that the Vasudans were at one time intuch with the other old (first ones in this cace) but I don't know how we could fit them in, I mean we could do it like in WingCommander were they were all wiped out bay the 2nd year of the war?:confused: I think that would work
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If you mean the Ancients, the Shivans exterminated them 8000 years before the T-V war.
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No, Since the Vasudans are now hostile, or red in FRED (Hey that rhymes:D ) we have none who is Green. I was thinking maybe we could have something along the lines of the NTF, mercenaries. Instead of them using GTA and PVN ships, they will have slightly modified (Only modified tables) versions of the standard GTA and PVN ships.
Or, instead of mercenaries, how about the GTI.
Or, I'll just screw the idea with the mercs and GTI because nobody understands it. I have the Vasudans as hostile, and no Shivans. I might just take out the Great War era ships (Medusa, Hercules, Ulysses, Ursa, and that) and weapons ( I will probably leave the weapons cause they are so cool) because there are no Shivans.
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Originally posted by Hades
No, Since the Vasudans are now hostile, or red in FRED (Hey that rhymes:D ) we have none who is Green. I was thinking maybe we could have something along the lines of the NTF, mercenaries. Instead of them using GTA and PVN ships, they will have slightly modified (Only modified tables) versions of the standard GTA and PVN ships.
Or, instead of mercenaries, how about the GTI.
Or, I'll just screw the idea with the mercs and GTI because nobody understands it. I have the Vasudans as hostile, and no Shivans. I might just take out the Great War era ships (Medusa, Hercules, Ulysses, Ursa, and that) and weapons ( I will probably leave the weapons cause they are so cool) because there are no Shivans.
Well that all sounds good but not all the weapons were made yet and they should not have just a bunch of run down verents that gets old fast. If it would help the FS weapons I know would be in use at least at the middile would be:
I have a older laser that is like the ML-16 but with a far longer fire rate
ML-16
Disruptor
RailGun
MX-50
Fury
an old rocket no space bombs yet
Things not and should not be there are:
Banshae
D-whatever you call the other verent of the Disruptor
Fail
Hornet
MagPulse
Interseptor, mabe an older verent one that has a bunch of drawbacks
Promethius
Culster Bomb and nothing like it at all!
Dsiruptor missile
Nukes of any kined
Boolits! no! no! no! this is FS not some WW2Fighter game
Avenger
or any thing like a Beam Cannon!
Heres whay:
1: in FS they are not light or laser focest beams at all they use particals, and or Photons, you get the point
2: not that advanced yet need to have like a Plasma cannon or something, or just have the Tarren Huge Turret take that role
3: the power corse of ships back then would not be able to use them I.E. read the tech info of the Tiphon
4: it's coolr not to have anything like them I mean this would make it a uneake mod, and story.
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I am making the turrets have a high velocity. I mean, they are the ships only means of defense. Also, we have a cool weapon to use in the place of beams. These turrets aren't that powerful, so won't break anything in a single shot. We still need some models. Mostly fighters and bombers.
Also, in the beginning of the TVWar, did afterburners exist? How about support ships? Maybe afterburners were new in the Great War. Without afterburners, an Apollo isn't as great. An Anubis is almost evenly matched with an Apollo without afterburners.
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Originally posted by Hades
I am making the turrets have a high velocity. I mean, they are the ships only means of defense. Also, we have a cool weapon to use in the place of beams. These turrets aren't that powerful, so won't break anything in a single shot. We still need some models. Mostly fighters and bombers.
Also, in the beginning of the TVWar, did afterburners exist? How about support ships? Maybe afterburners were new in the Great War. Without afterburners, an Apollo isn't as great. An Anubis is almost evenly matched with an Apollo without afterburners.
Well how about this then in the etch data bace of the game it said the Apollo was first made and used in the T-V war so we could have a ship in it's place for the start of the campigan, and as for all the other FS ship I think we should keep the Madusa but the Hark and the rest should not be in it and we don't whan't too many new ships or this will be too big. I thought we could have a few fighters and or bombers like one or two. and as for capships the Vasudans should get a new old cruiser class, as it never said in the Tech info for both games that they only had one cruiser did it?
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I might try to make this thing compatable with the main fs2 campaign also. Make it sort of a "Silent Threat" for Freespace2.
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Geeze, I go away for a few days and I come back to confusion.
I too thought of what to do with all that space left in the ship table. My best idea would be to have more GTA and PVN ships. older ones phased out by the time of FS1. I did like the idea of mercs, but they should only have a few, small ships. Also, if you remeber Esh history of destroyers, There was only one Terran Destroyer, the Orion. THat means that carrier should either be a battle waggon or a carrier, and seeing how it was designed as a carrier, then let it be a carrier.
Anything else I missed?
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Yeah, I left it as a carrier. But I did take out those two fighterbays on the side. They are so small a bomber can't get out of them without knocking its hull down to crap.
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Okay. Don't forget th GTB Inferno. It would also fit into the timeline nicely. Um so, how do all of this look and play? I still haven't seen it yet.
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Its looking great. Sorry I couldn' get it up. Anyway Thor, how's our hosting situation going? Now that I know the Admins know about it, I'm not so tempermental about it.
StarGunner ( I think ) is doing a reskin of the Ticonderoga. It will have Fenris style skins like in the pic we saw. Not that paper stuff the guy gave us. I've renamed it, I just can't remember what I renamed it to.:D
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Renamed it the GTC Repulse. Also, that carrier ryx gave us is going out. I can't use it. The hanger is so small, the player can't get out of it without dying from a collision. We need a new one. If I have time I will make the two really small hangers on the sides torpedo launchers, and play around with the front and back ones.
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Originally posted by Hades
Renamed it the GTC Repulse. Also, that carrier ryx gave us is going out. I can't use it. The hanger is so small, the player can't get out of it without dying from a collision.
What ships are you using. I was able to get most fighters out of the front except the Vesuvius (which is an upright fighter)
Forget about bombers from that carrier, it's only 1km long. Though the Athena should make it out...
If it's the width that's causing the problem and not the height try moving another path to the back bay.
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The admins just keep saying soon. Thats all I know. When I get some free time, I'm going to try and create the "upgrade path" for the project. So I'll need every ship name that you are currentlly using and any description you may have. I'll also write tech descriptions as well. Send it by e-mail, and I'll get to work.
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Okay, I'll try and get something together. I've almost fixed that carrier. Oh yeah, and by the way, StarGunner is officially on the staff. He's done a lot of work. He just sent me a reskin of the carrier that uses Orion textures. Looks ( No offense Ryx ) a lot better. I'm having trouble deciding. Anyway, as soon as I get this thing up, we can play around with it, and then start FREDing.
EDIT: The carrier is fixed, I just used modelview32 to move the fighterbay subsystems a little farther out. Not sure if it will 100% work though. The Apollo won't make it out, nothing will make it out of those two side hangers.
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Hey, how about we find one of those online harddrives, a free one. We could then stick things there, and download them. Just came to mind right now.
By the way, Hello StarGunner.
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I think they all cost money though.
EDIT: Oh yeah. I'm talking to UNKNOWN TARGET right now, he wants to help. I think he might be doing some weapons for us.
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How about this? http://kturn.com/ (http://kturn.com/)
It is only 40mb, but that's forty more than we have now.
I'm going to have to upgrade the site again aren't I.
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I can't get it to work.
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Sorry, but your application could not be completed due to an unspecified error. Please try your request again. If the problem persists, please email [email protected] to report the problem.
That stinks. I'll do a search and try and find something.
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Okay, I found something. it should be up today, hopefully. The Free trial period is only thirty days. You have thirty days to download it. Once the project has it's hosting complete ( Just talked to Shrike, the e-mail has either already been sent, or is ready to go ) you can get at it for as long as you want.
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Never mind. There is a 2mb limit on uploads. Even though it gives you 50 megs. Anyway, here are the exact file version for the version I'm releasing.
TVWar_Data.vp -- 41.7MB
TVWar_Music.vp -- 36.9MB
They are both in seperate .zips. Small as I could get them. Sorry I can't get it to you. You guys have been waiting for a couple months. Well, every day you didn't have it, it got better.
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:( :( :( :(
Oh well, I can wait a bit longer.
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Yeah, well, I'm about to blow. Let's see, I have The Sands Of Normadny converted. Music and all.
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Hey, what's going on with the Tico/Repulse? IS it done yet?
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Originally posted by Thor
Hey, what's going on with the Tico/Repulse? IS it done yet?
If you mean the mapping and conversion then yeah it was done a few days ago.
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Repulse will be out in a few days, just have to do a few experiments with weapons. Carrier by Ryx is fixed so we'll use it; well, we'll use the model. It has been reskinned with Orion textures and redesignated the GTCa Pleides.
We have a station, the GTI Minotaur that came from the Inferno site ( It was from aldo's model dump, somebody finished it. I'm going to findout who, and put them in the credits. ). I think aldo's cutter that he gave us will be the GTC Piranha. I might find some different textures for it though.
The repulse is designated a cruiser, but I might have fs2 recognize it as a corvette, then call it either a GTBc (Battlecruiser) or just leave it as GTC.
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Originally posted by Hades
We have a station, the GTI Minotaur that came from the Inferno site ( It was from aldo's model dump, somebody finished it. I'm going to findout who, and put them in the credits. )
The weapons platform was made by Aldo converted by me and the Lycaon is one of our own models. Not sure which one your using.
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I got the weapons platform. Lycoan looks to new to be Great War.
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What about Ryx's new destroyer, are we going to use that? Also, this was proposed awhile ago, but we need some fighters, I think. So what do we have to use for sure. List it out, Terran and Vasudan. The other thing is did you dump all the Shivan models from the ships table? I just feel a little left out of all the fun, so give me something I can do.
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I think I'll leave the Shivan models in the table. If we need more space, they will be the first to go. Also, only the fs2 Shivans remain.
Not sure what you can do, once I get this up on the web, all our ( most anyway ) problems will be solved, and you can start "evaluating". And yes, I want to use Ryx' s new carrier.
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Okay, I've put up a piece of crap forum we can use.
http://pub37.ezboard.com/bthediscussion
yes, the forum name is gay, but I did this at one o'clock last night.
I'll be the admin, MNEDiscuss6189246. Long name huh?
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Whoa, where way back on the second page.
Anyway, I made up a list of ships and stuff in a timeline format, based on Esh's, and have thought of better ways to organise the ships, and what ships we need. I also fleshed out hte Unification War in a bit more detail, but accidentally changed some names, so I need to fix it before I e-mail it to you. But here are my thoughts on the Terran ships
GTBc Sovereign: Ryx's destroyer model, replaces the Leo name
GTCa Ark Royal: RYx's Carrier model, replaces the Sagittarius name
GTCv Repulse: Formally the GTC Ticonderoaga IT's big enough to be called a corvette, especially in T-V war timeframe
GTCc Piranha: Aldo's cruiser. While cruiser sized, it would make a better cutter.
GTF Mustang Alpha: A "new" fighter that started the use of Alpha Wing.
GTB Mustang Beta: The bomber varient of the Mustang Alpha
GTF Hurricane: A failed fighter designed, one that has several good features and one major flaw.
GTFr Ganeymeade (spelling?) A super freighter, almost Bc size, for-runner of the Triton Freigther, also requires a super sized container.
GTE Trailblazer: In warzone, there was use of an explorer class vessel. I took that idea and ran with it, making the first subspace capable vessel, Trailblazer. Anyway, it can either be a new model, or, if we can get permition, use the Warzone model. I tink it would be very cool if we could use that model, as it ties everything together.
I have more, I just can't rember them all. What do you think?
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Nice. I like it. I don't have all of Ryx's models though. I have the second carrier, the Laneus or something, but I've had it reskinned.
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I think I've found a little Vasudan scout fighter, that oddly enough looks quite similar to my mental picture of the Mustangs. Weird. Anyway, how do you like the names I listed? I didn't put too much thought into them, and most where already there. I do thin we should rename the GTCc Piranha. We need some Vasudan ships as well. * heads off to Peg's Concept page.
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All right, here is my list of thing that should be made, taken from the infamous concept site.
Vasudan
- GVCa Semptu - PVD Savior
- GVD Meskhenet - GVD Thanatos
- GVT Qeb
- GVFr Hesat
- GVFr Somtus - possibly another cruiser or corvette
- GVF Chensit (Light Fighter)
- GVF Harmau (Interceptor)
- GVF Tuat (Scout)
- GVF Hornet
Terran
- GTF Enceladus (Heavy Fighter)
- GTF Iaso (Scout)
- GTF Recluse (Scout Fighter)
- GTB Crius (Light Bomber)
- GTB Inachus (Strike Bomber)
- GTGM Bromios (The predecessor to the Zephyrus)
- GTA Capacious (The pre-generation AWACS vessel - used for scouting during the early years of the T-V war.)
- GTI Dionysus (The aging repair/resupply/construction facility)
- GTD Aquila (Thunder's Flagship :) )
I'm done my fishing expedition. These are what I liked and thought where apporiate. here's the link to the site to see for your self.
http://www.geocities.com/alpha_quadrant_project/ (http://www.geocities.com/alpha_quadrant_project/)
Hades, Could you give us a run down on what we have?
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Originally posted by Thor
GTCa Ark Royal: RYx's Carrier model, replaces the Sagittarius name
Thou have incured my wrath! As I said earlier, you can change the names of just about anything, except the carrier. I like, no, want the name Sagittarius, mainly because of another storyline. The original GTCa Sagittarius plays an important role there, so I want the class name held. The rest is malable.
Neat names, though you might want to change the Ganymede one, that's the name of an instillation in FS2.
For the bulk of the 14 Year War, I set it so the Terrans only ever had one destroyer, the Orions. Thunder's destroyer is unnecessary.
The rest looks good. Drop me a copy of that e-mail Thor, I'd love to see what you've done with the Unification War (so I can beat you senseless over it).
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Well, let me give my reasons:
Sagittarius is a bad name for a ship class, mainly because it is used for wings of fighters and bombers. I really think you should reconsider, but I won't push it. (Ark Royal sounds more like a carrier than sagittarius)
Yeah, I forgot about it. Oh well, I just thought that one up right then, so I'll rename. How about GTFr Goliath
Thunder's wasn't for a destroyer, maybe a corvette or cruiser. even a battlecruiser, but I don't know how that would work.
Well, I have to change the names to match what had written, but I'm keeping one, because I wanted a different name than Alliance (The GTA and GTVA are enough) so If you don't mind, the Terran Alliance or Earth Allance (whatever it was) should be changed. I came up with the UNE, United Nations of Earth. But Again, I won't be to firm with it. As for the Unification Wars, well, I flesh it out it greater detail, but I basically raided the history books, a :v: for that matter, and mixed in a bit of corrupt government, evil corporation and unhappy peasents, with the unapproving other governments. I think I'll beat it some more though.
Hades, I think we need to find out where we stand.
And Esh, don't hit me to hard;)
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Originally posted by Thor
GTGM Bromios (The predecessor to the Zephyrus)
*looks through old scene files*
knew I had it...
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/inferno/screens/oldgas.jpg)
A made this a few months back when I was bored. I can try to complete it if you want it...
Originally posted by Thor
GTD Aquila (Thunder's Flagship :) )
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/inferno/aquila.jpg)
If you want that one though you'll have to ask Thunder.
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Am I the only one who thinks these lists are slightly long for a predeccessor to a war fought with 3 different types of capships.
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Am I the only one who thinks these lists are slightly long for a predeccessor to a war fought with 3 different types of capships?
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Woo: Yes, please do finish it.
BW: hey, double post! Well, how exciting is only a few capships. I really noticed the lack of variety when I went to FS1 from FS2. So I think there is a need for more. in FS1, you didn't deal with much of a fleet ever, so you can explain that there weren't any assigned in the area. Most of these will be retired by the end of the T-V War anyway, so as not to stretch that above excuse to much. That's good/bad thing about working in this era, there isn't much to go on. We try to please, and we won't make everything on that list, just suggestions on what is good.
and besides, would you want to play a mod with an apollo, a fenris and an Orion as your only terran ships?
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Just remember that what you're doing is essentially creating history, so what you use should be compatible with that history. ie - nothing close to the size of the Orion (they were all gushy about the size and power of the Orion, as if it were a major leap forward), and nothing should really go outside of the classes they had in FS1, unless you give a good reason for the discontinuation of said class. And, in this type of campaign, I think I would be happy to see a low diversity of mods, inkeeping with the trend of FS history (as you yourself pointed out). Maybe not quite three ships for the Terrans, but you know what I mean. Remember, that as far as we can tell, the Terrans and Vasudans hadn't been in subspace all that long before the TV War.
Of course, you don't have to follow what I've said - just be careful, and don't go overboard.
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will do. We promise the first showing of the Orion will be a treat. That battle cruiser and carrier are the nearest thing to them, and they're much smaller. Basically, most of the ships have hit or are nearing their operational lifespan by the start of FS1, so they don't appear. We won't go to crazy. And for the record, the first intersystme subspace jump was in 2313.
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Originally posted by Thor
Woo: Yes, please do finish it.
Will do :)
I also just had a go at the GTI Dionysus
http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/inferno/screens/oldstation01.jpg
About 1100 polys (due to the pipes) Bit a clipping on the panels but otherwise it's ok. I'm currently mapping it.
If you guys don't snap it up, I'll release it to everyone :D
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Are you guys still interested in the Damocles? I can kit it out as a battlecruiser or carrier, I'll just need a bit of time to finish the model. Been busy with writing assignments.
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Woo, Consider it snapped. :D good work.
Yes Shrike, we would still like it. If you want to, do both a carrier and a battlecruiser. If not, battlecruiser is preferred.
[luke skywalker voice] Damn it Hades, where are you?[/luke skywalker voice]
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I've just noticed my Aquila was up on that list - I'd be more than happy to share it but the final POF model was never finished, I think it was Maeg who agreed to do it but if anyone wants the files done so far I can open source the whole shebang and let people do what they will with it - so long as someone makes the original concept or similar and lets me call it mine :)
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Gee, thank you Thunder. Of course the credit goes to you. Woo, can you finish your version then? I have an idea for a story with it. Make it just a tad larger than a deimos, if you could. I have an idea on how the skin should be, but we'll do it by pm or e-mail. send me a pm and we'll discuss i private. Thanks again Thunder.
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Rightyo then, I'll package what I have and upload it in a zip to HLP. Note that this is in .COB format along with some drawings and crap thrown for reference. Initial model is by Untouchable and the concept is by me.
http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/col/files/aquila.zip
Please read the readme before using it, it's a little background about the purpose of the ship and the credit for where it's due. Thanks, enjoy!
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Thank you. Woo, if you want, download that aswell. I don't know if you'll need it, but it can't hurt. Thunder, I think you'll like my idea.
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Okay, here's our status. Not that much, but a lot of this stuff I have never done before, and figured it out on my own. Its not as much progress as you woul think in this long a time.
New ships:
GTF Angel
GTC Repulse ( Its a battlecruiser, the Ticonderoga model reskinned by Woo with Fenris style maps. Awesome job. )
GTC Piranha ( Aldo's model, might need a reskin )
GTCa Pleides ( Ryxes carrier that he gave us, reskinned with Orion style maps by ( I think ) StarGunner )
GTI Minotaur ( Gun platform from off the Inferno site. Its a nice thing for defensive purposes, much smaller than the Arcadia )
New Weapons: ( Progress has been delayed on weapons )
All fs1 weapons.
Primaries:
Phalanx
Flux
Secondaries:
Belial
Crossbow
All new weapons include selection icons. I'm using the fs1 style selection icons, because this is the TVWar, and we might do a unification war demo, if that's okay with the team.
Other:
Fs1 Bastion Main hall.
All fs1 music. I might beef up the sound quality, but that would make a big download. Better sound quality will be available ( Maybe ) to those who want it.
I'm thinking about trashing the fs1 HUD, but maybe not.
fs1 mouse
Only fs1 ships in the tables.
Okay, we need some of these ships you guys are talking about. At present, I have the version that will be released. Everything else will be in the form of a patch, and will require the main data. There are two .zips, one with music, one with everything else. Music is aroung 36 megs, other stuff is a little bigger.
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Originally posted by Thunder
Initial model is by Untouchable and the concept is by me.
Actually that's my mesh, I sent it to Untouchable for mapping, it has the exact same structure and poly count as mine. PM me with what you want done with it then Thor.
As for the other ships the miner is done and the station is in POF format.
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Oh sorry dude, I had it in a zip folder with Untouchables name on it... Want me to change the readme etc?
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Doesn't really matter since I'll convert it to POF :)
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Sweet :)
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Well Hades, we might want to do versions. so that would be version 0.01 or whatever. But we will have to have a finall release with EVERYTHING in it. with missions and the whole nine yards. Is the weapons I sent you in there? Make sure they are. And yeah, a unificatin War demo could be a good idea, maybe just the end leading up to first contact. also, the name of that carrier will have to be fought over, seeing as it now has three, GTCa Pleides, GTCa Ark Royal and GTCa Sagittarius (one for each member of the core team, surprise surpise.). I like the skin on the Piranha, so leave it in for now, with no planned changes (only if people yell, scream and hit us). Woo has a few more models he is working on, plus I'll have a secret one for an idea I'm working on. I drew up some sketches in class for the Mustangs, liked what I drew, so I'll expand them in detail, maybe tommorow night. Here's a question, can we make up new command ani's? I think it would be nice to have some new ones if we have time/ability/will. Thanks for the update. We also need some Vasudan models.
And Woo, PM on the way.
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I like the name Ark Royal, Pleides was just something I put in there.
Anyway, The weapons ( The engine glow gun things ) are in there, but I don't think I'll use them. They seem to cause dramatic slowdowns inmission.
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That's never happened to me. I wonder why. We can reduce the rate of fire, therefore reducing number of shots on screen. that should help.
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We can do that. reducing the rate of fire will make them weaker, which is good for the TVWar. Anyway, I have a few capital ships using them, maybe one or two on each ship as their "Main Weapon" wouldn't hurt. We need ships, and I'll try and get a storyline for the Unification War. Anyway, how is our hosting going? We've been waiting since July/August I'm starting to get frustrated again.
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Originally posted by Thunder
Oh sorry dude, I had it in a zip folder with Untouchables name on it... Want me to change the readme etc?
Don't forget me and my HL-3 Laser weapon I made for the mod;)
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We won't forget you. Who are you? (j/k)
Yeah, that should do it Hades. Don't worry about the Unification War story, that'll be my treat. You worry about ships. speaking of which, I have Lars's Templar, which would make a good Vasudan Destroyer (I'm thinking the Savior). It needs textures, like everything else around here.
And Shrike, How goes the hosting?
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Every sinlge damn one of these "FREE!!!! Space!" sites cost money. Do you think I could upload them as mp3's ( found a 3 gig one that only lets in mp3's )then you could change the file extension while downloading?
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can't hurt to try.
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I can't upload .zips, only mp3s. you guys don't want to download the MOD uncompressed. Each package ( There are two ) is around 50 or 60 megs.
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Well, change extension on the zip.
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Hadn't thought of that, I'll try it in a little while, have to find the site again.:D
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I'm not using the HL-3, I'm using it, but renaming it the Flux. It has new selection icons by yours truly.
Thunder, how is the hosting going?
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This is the one ship we are missing. We need a reskin of the Apollo, I'll do the gun point editing. Or a resized and reskinned Apollo.
http://www.geocities.com/hades6189/Apollo.bmp
EDIT: I really hate Geocities.
EDIT2: Its just a screenshot of the opening fs1 cutscene ( Playing when I start up Freespace2 ). We need that bomber from the fs1 intro.
One more thing. I'm going to make a scaled down Hercules "prototype" and maybe do the same with the Medusa. Afterall, you do see both of these on the command screen inside GTI Riviera.
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Originally posted by Thor
And Shrike, How goes the hosting?
I got an email from Gamespy, they're going to be setting up your logins soon.
One thing thought, you guys do know that you need to have gamespy banners on your site, right?
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I knew about the banners, and I think we already have banners for another sight, we'll just change them.
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Oh, and you have a new forum
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Could you move this thread into it?
Edit: Thank you.:D
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I just noticed, this thread is for the 14 year war, and it is 14 pages long.