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Offline Tolwyn

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For today's update we would like to showcase our final version of the Kilrathi Paktahn bomber. The Kilrathi Paktahn is similar to the Confederation Longbow by virtue of its torpedo attack capabilities. With multiple missile hardpoints and an impressive array of guns, this bomber can engage several fighters at once during a single run. With its six torpedo hardpoints, Paktahns are a Terran capship's worst nightmare. Its heavy armor and auxiliary guns make it dangerous to attacking fighters. Terran intelligence reports that Paktahns most often fly with Dralthi IV or Darket escorts.




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« Last Edit: July 18, 2007, 07:08:46 am by Tolwyn »
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Hey looks awesome. Great work. Its surely a nice ship to destroy  :yes2:
Those Pakthans will be a pain in the main release. Those Gothris were though already.
But I guess that Dumpfires should work against them. They have a bulky silhouette and a maneouverability is only slightly better than the Longbow's one.
Will you update the databank, too?

 

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Yes, I will. It should be noted, that Wing Commander Arena's manual came out this morning. We'll be updating class names pretty soon. In particular:

Amadeus -> Clarkson
Ranger -> Yorktown
Bhantkara -> Dukara
Bordrav -> Ralarrad
Dorkathra -> Sha’Kar
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Wing Commander Arena's manual
Yeah the manual. A joy to read for every Wing Commander fan.
So many things to recognize.
So many canonial explainations.

edit: You forgot the Sheffield class destroyer. It was called Southhampton class in the manual.
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I did not. I knew about the destroyer for a couple of weeks now. That's why it is not in my list. ;)
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Offline Drakon

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Yes, I will. It should be noted, that Wing Commander Arena's manual came out this morning. We'll be updating class names pretty soon. In particular:

Amadeus -> Clarkson
Ranger -> Yorktown
Bhantkara -> Dukara
Bordrav -> Ralarrad
Dorkathra -> Sha’Kar

Will the Ralaxath destroyer appear as well? It had gone by a different (unofficial) class name prior, too. As for the Dukara, I'm a little confused now. Is it really the carrier or that other kilrathi transport class? Hehehe, the icon on the manual is sort of confusing in the sense that it kind of looks like either ship from above. Anyway, just a thought. If someone would take a look that'd be awesome. Here's a link to a screen of the transport: http://ccg.jetlag.us/v/Kilrathi/mod/k-mo-transport.jpg.html If it's not the right ship, does the it have any name? I know that Saga used to or may still be planning to include that transport in the game. Do you guys have a designation for it at least if there's nothing canon about it? :)

With the kilrathi light carrier not named in canon still btw I would imagine the title of Dubav may just stick indefinitely. I'm still quite impressed that you guys worked some of the concepts into reality. Very awesome.  :yes:

On top of that, thanks a lot for posting those screens. The Paktahn was always one of the more intimidating Kilrathi ships in my mind, and I can see that it's just as fightening here as well. I'm sure we'll be lamenting their deadliness against capships before all is said and done. :D
« Last Edit: July 18, 2007, 10:39:27 am by Drakon »
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Ahh, it's LOAF post at Hard-Light, hell must have frozen over. :)

The Dukara-class is the WC3 3DO transport (the triangular one linked above). Bhantkara is the correct class for the WC3 carrier - it comes from False Colors.

Edited to add: beautiful screenshots, too! You did a great job of getting the Paktahn right.
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Ahh, it's LOAF post at Hard-Light, hell must have frozen over. :)

Indeed. I can't wait until you start acting like your normal self and someone has the pleasure of banning you.
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Thanks for the info, LOAF!

EDIT: @Black Wolf: He hasn't behaved wrongly so I think you shouldn't say something like that.
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@Black Wolf:
I agree with Aginor. Don't act in that kind of rude way. He made a informativ post. So as long as he dosn't do anything wrong he is welcome as any other will be.

Just looked at the image again...its indeed the Transporter and not the carrier. I also first thought is the Kilrathi Carrier but when you zoom in a bit more you can see that it has another shape then the carrier.
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EDIT: @Black Wolf: He hasn't behaved wrongly so I think you shouldn't say something like that.

Yes he has. For years.
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Offline Drakon

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Wolf... it's incendiary spam, the kind that starts bickering that completely defiles a thread. A public forum shouldn't be used for the continuation of a personal conflict, especially when there's a discussion taking place prior. My greatest respect goes out to you both, but... don't. :lol: Plz don't take the bait Loaf, and thanks again for another nugget of wisdom to confirm my observation.

Is it just me though, or is the hull slant backwards? I'm glad I wasn't wrong, but it seems sort of odd that the icon and the screen (plus all the others I've seen) have the bow slanting the opposite way. Hehehe, oh well. So what's the difference here between the two WC3 Kilrathi transporters? Isn't this triangular one more involved with moving troops or something? I heard that somewhere... hmm, I've never seen specs for it either but I'm sure glad it has a name now. The new manual helps people like me enrich fanfic quite remarkably, and as always projects like Saga inspire rich, vivid imagination. :D
« Last Edit: July 18, 2007, 01:44:24 pm by Drakon »
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This just gets better all the time. Nice work to all involved.

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Edited to add: beautiful screenshots, too! You did a great job of getting the Paktahn right.

@ LOAF,

Thank you for the compliment! It isn't easy to get the models right on, and I know that coming from somone who has a keen eye for detail in the WC universe like you, that is quite a compliment indeed.

Thanks for the clarification, as well.
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Thanks for the info, LOAF!

EDIT: @Black Wolf: He hasn't behaved wrongly so I think you shouldn't say something like that.
Considering his record of behavior, I do not think it is unfair that we should be unfriendly to him. I wouldn't  ban him right away, as that's petty revenge, but I think the moderators should watch him closely.
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And I think that we should stop that now. It dosn't brings us anywhere does it?
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Is it just me though, or is the hull slant backwards? I'm glad I wasn't wrong, but it seems sort of odd that the icon and the screen (plus all the others I've seen) have the bow slanting the opposite way. Hehehe, oh well. So what's the difference here between the two WC3 Kilrathi transporters? Isn't this triangular one more involved with moving troops or something? I heard that somewhere... hmm, I've never seen specs for it either but I'm sure glad it has a name now. The new manual helps people like me enrich fanfic quite remarkably, and as always projects like Saga inspire rich, vivid imagination.

I think you're right - with the exception of the Armada transport VDUs, these are all taken from the games... the incorrect shape in the image is just a pecularity of WC3:3DO.

As for the difference, it's hard to say since the Dukara-class doesn't really appear in WC3 proper. WC3:3DO uses the Dukara as the ordinary transport and the Sha’Kar as the tanker (in the Behemoth fueling mission). We also see Dukaras moving Melek's refugees to Pasqual in a Wing Commander IV cutscene (I hope I'm getting these names right - it's all so new!).

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Thank you for the compliment! It isn't easy to get the models right on, and I know that coming from somone who has a keen eye for detail in the WC universe like you, that is quite a compliment indeed.

No problem - your artists do have a nack for recreating the 'feel' of Wing Commander III, especially in the Kilrathi ships. If anything, the most they could be accused of doing wrong is sometimes putting in *too much* detail.

(To address the rest of the thread - my initial comment was an attempt at self deprecating humor, I did not mean to start any sort of fight. If I've offended you in the past, I do honestly apologize.  Most of you know me only by reputation, which may or may not be the correct impression.  I'm honest in saying: what better time than to try and get a new start than when there's so much cool new Wing Commander material being released? Hawthorne has a line that I can't find right now about the prejudices of old being washed away by new love - I feel no more past resentment towards any of you (or FreeSpace!) and hope only to be helpful towards Saga and similar projects in the future. Lets drop this here, though, as this thread should be about the Paktahn models. If you'd like to chat privately you can contact me at [email protected] or on irc.wcnews.com, channel #WingNut.)
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Back to the Paktahns then. For as much eyecandy as they are, how do they fare in combat? Like was mentioned earlier, the Gothra is a pain to kill when it's dead-set on launching torpedoes. An explanation of how you think this Paktahn bomber fares with it's weapons, manueverability, and anything else really would be pretty cool. Do you see as you play parts of the game that this is a nasty, dangerous nut to crack?

I ask because I take a look at WC3 and realize how incredibly mean those heavier Kilrathi fighters and bombers could be when the difficulty was raised. It'd great to be able to fly against Paktahns and Vaktoths that make the player cringe in fear, and I was wondering if any of you have come to do that as you test elements of the game. :D

EDIT: Oh, and one other thing... I see that in one of the screens that there is a large amount of flame surrounding part of the bomber. Is that in-game battle damage something we can expect to see in Saga missions, or is it a special circumstance set up for just that shot? Either way, the image sure gets a cinematic feel from it. :yes:

(Btw, I forgot to commend you before Sphynx... I've got a lot of screenshots of WC ships and I've never seen an in-game Paktahn look that awesome. I don't know how you did it, but seeing things like that always makes me think of how far it's all come since the older games were released. The originals look like cardboard cutouts compared to these after all.  :lol: Simply incredible.)
« Last Edit: July 18, 2007, 06:34:30 pm by Drakon »
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Is it just me though, or is the hull slant backwards? I'm glad I wasn't wrong, but it seems sort of odd that the icon and the screen (plus all the others I've seen) have the bow slanting the opposite way. Hehehe, oh well. So what's the difference here between the two WC3 Kilrathi transporters? Isn't this triangular one more involved with moving troops or something? I heard that somewhere... hmm, I've never seen specs for it either but I'm sure glad it has a name now. The new manual helps people like me enrich fanfic quite remarkably, and as always projects like Saga inspire rich, vivid imagination.

I think you're right - with the exception of the Armada transport VDUs, these are all taken from the games... the incorrect shape in the image is just a pecularity of WC3:3DO.

As for the difference, it's hard to say since the Dukara-class doesn't really appear in WC3 proper. WC3:3DO uses the Dukara as the ordinary transport and the Sha’Kar as the tanker (in the Behemoth fueling mission). We also see Dukaras moving Melek's refugees to Pasqual in a Wing Commander IV cutscene (I hope I'm getting these names right - it's all so new!).

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Thank you for the compliment! It isn't easy to get the models right on, and I know that coming from somone who has a keen eye for detail in the WC universe like you, that is quite a compliment indeed.

No problem - your artists do have a nack for recreating the 'feel' of Wing Commander III, especially in the Kilrathi ships. If anything, the most they could be accused of doing wrong is sometimes putting in *too much* detail.

(To address the rest of the thread - my initial comment was an attempt at self deprecating humor, I did not mean to start any sort of fight. If I've offended you in the past, I do honestly apologize.  Most of you know me only by reputation, which may or may not be the correct impression.  I'm honest in saying: what better time than to try and get a new start than when there's so much cool new Wing Commander material being released? Hawthorne has a line that I can't find right now about the prejudices of old being washed away by new love - I feel no more past resentment towards any of you (or FreeSpace!) and hope only to be helpful towards Saga and similar projects in the future. Lets drop this here, though, as this thread should be about the Paktahn models. If you'd like to chat privately you can contact me at [email protected] or on irc.wcnews.com, channel #WingNut.)

LOAF,

Well, I can certainly appreciate what you are trying to do. I agree that this is a good time to put old gripes behind us (most of which are probably based on misunderstandings between us). I just wanted to give a public "seconded" to this notion, and to say thank you for offering it.
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(Btw, I forgot to commend you before Sphynx... I've got a lot of screenshots of WC ships and I've never seen an in-game Paktahn look that awesome. I don't know how you did it, but seeing things like that always makes me think of how far it's all come since the older games were released. The originals look like cardboard cutouts compared to these after all.  :lol: Simply incredible.)

To be fair, it was Tolwyn who got the screenshots. I think he really has an eye for them, so I will thank you in his behalf! :)
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