[Levyathan]

Originally posted by venom2506
2) I do indeed consider graphics an important factor, whats wrong with that? Try playing a VGA game on a 21" and come back to me ( very funny, I can actually draw the outlines of the pixels on the screen ).

Very well then. How long it'll take you to consider FreeSpace 2 unplayable? Someday it'll be as old compared to that time's standards as Shock 1 is compared to today's standards.

Originally posted by venom2506
The plain simple reason is that I got it from a CD cover ( so I should still have it somewhere ) and I couldn't figure the UI out, and alt-tabbing the game every ten seconds just to check in a txt how to swing a stupid metal bar, well, no thanks.

Well, some people do indeed consider pressing the mouse button a confusing control.

[Nico]

if you want to play stupîd with me, don't expect me to reply.

[Stryke 9]

I like how people try to pass off as "shallow" the  preference for good graphics, particularly since computer gaming is 90% shallow. It's like watching a Sylvester Stallone movie, and saying "Yes, but the explosions shouldn't be the only criteria you go on! Personally, I prefer Rambo II for the engaging plot, and the others are merely in poor taste." Games, none of them are Shakespeare. They aren't even Steven King, with a few notable exceptions- none of which are shooters or space sims. If you're gonna be a culture snob, games are NOT the medium to do it in. Go learn about coffee tables or something.

But anyway.

[01010]

Originally posted by StrykeIX
I like how people try to pass off as "shallow" the  preference for good graphics, particularly since computer gaming is 90% shallow. It's like watching a Sylvester Stallone movie, and saying "Yes, but the explosions shouldn't be the only criteria you go on! Personally, I prefer Rambo II for the engaging plot, and the others are merely in poor taste." Games, none of them are Shakespeare. They aren't even Steven King, with a few notable exceptions- none of which are shooters or space sims. If you're gonna be a culture snob, games are NOT the medium to do it in. Go learn about coffee tables or something.

But anyway.

Mmmmmmmmmmmm something..... ::drools::

[CP5670]

Try playing a VGA game on a 21" and come back to me

I just did that today, in fact. (been playing through Doom 2 again) I have always been a true old games fanatic and don't care one bit about pixellated graphics, sound driver quirks or weird interfaces, and I actually use keyboard-only in FPS games even today.

Anyway, I cannot get the first game to work correctly here due to EMS issues, so I am going to give the second one a shot. Didn't have any time last night (too busy with PI) but I might be able to try out that demo tonight instead.

BTW the HOTU servers are slow, despite the rest of the site being very good. I got a maximum of around 11k/sec... (as opposed to 160 average from other sites)

[Goober5000]

Originally posted by CP5670
I have always been a true old games fanatic and don't care about pixellated graphics, sound driver quirks or weird interfaces one bit

Me too.  Yay for old games!  Sierra EGA adventure games, very fun.

[Levyathan]

Originally posted by StrykeIX
I like how people try to pass off as "shallow" the  preference for good graphics, particularly since computer gaming is 90% shallow. [...] If you're gonna be a culture snob, games are NOT the medium to do it in.

It's not about being a culture snob. It's not about good graphics being bad. It's simply about not judging a book by its cover. I'd take System Shock over Unreal Tournament 2003 any day.

[Nico]

Originally posted by CP5670
Anyway, I cannot get the first game to work correctly here due to EMS issues, so I am going to give the second one a shot.  

meh, EMS
"has horrible memories of tweakings to make XWing work"

And Levyathan, I did gave the game its chance, the pb is I couldn't get the desire to play it. But if that can please you, I love a game that hardly anybody knows, it's called Shadow of the Horned Rat ( no, it's not a joke, shut up ), a RTS ( first 3D RTS as far as I know, btw ) based on the Wrahammer Universe. It's ugly as hell, the UI is the crappiest one could have ever thought of, but for some reason I love that game, I still play it occasionaly, and the damn thing even managed to make me try the real tabletop game ( and now I've spent fortunes for stupid metal and plastic figurines, and paint pots ).
If you read me again, all the things I said about SS1 started with "I". that means those opinions engaged only one person: myself. But you don't take opinions against the game you like better than I do for Thief, and as I'm a bit stuborn, I call this a day, coz I don't like arguments ( I have way enough arguments with Mikhael and Killmenow )

[mikhael]

Originally posted by StrykeIX
I like how people try to pass off as "shallow" the  preference for good graphics, particularly since computer gaming is 90% shallow. It's like watching a Sylvester Stallone movie, and saying "Yes, but the explosions shouldn't be the only criteria you go on! Personally, I prefer Rambo II for the engaging plot, and the others are merely in poor taste." Games, none of them are Shakespeare. They aren't even Steven King, with a few notable exceptions- none of which are shooters or space sims. If you're gonna be a culture snob, games are NOT the medium to do it in. Go learn about coffee tables or something.

But anyway.

You sir, are my damn hero.  HERO, I say.

From Venom:

...coz I don't like arguments ( I have way enough arguments with Mikhael and Killmenow)

You know you love every moment of it.

[ZylonBane]

Originally posted by StrykeIX
I like how people try to pass off as "shallow" the  preference for good graphics, particularly since computer gaming is 90% shallow. It's like watching a Sylvester Stallone movie, and saying "Yes, but the explosions shouldn't be the only criteria you go on!

Let's all give Stryke a big hand for demonstrating the classic debate fallacy known as the "straw man". In other words, intentionally taking your opponent's argument, twisting it into an obviously flawed state, then knocking it down.

To reuse the cinematic analogy, it's like refusing to watch Citizen Kane (or Psycho, Casablanca, et al) because it's in black and white. Graphics are only the medium... the gameplay is the message.


Regarding getting SS1 to run under modern OS's--
The System Shock FAQ (SS1 & SS2 info)
Search the TTLG Forums

And for SS2... it's very important that you install the patch before playing.

[mikhael]

[Setekh]

Originally posted by CP5670
I just did that today, in fact. (been playing through Doom 2 again) I have always been a true old games fanatic and don't care one bit about pixellated graphics, sound driver quirks or weird interfaces, and I actually use keyboard-only in FPS games even today.

Anyway, I cannot get the first game to work correctly here due to EMS issues, so I am going to give the second one a shot. Didn't have any time last night (too busy with PI) but I might be able to try out that demo tonight instead.

BTW the HOTU servers are slow, despite the rest of the site being very good. I got a maximum of around 11k/sec... (as opposed to 160 average from other sites)

Heheheh, EMS. How much fun I've had tinkering with that. As for only 11k/sec... well, that'll be no problem for my little dialup modem.

I'm familiar with that, Zeronet... but worse. I had MDK1, then bought MDK2... but then I lost MDK1. So I got a dual-pack with MDK1 & 2 in it... after which I found MDK1 again. (I later gave the dual-pack to a friend for his birthday.)

[Snakeseyes]

Originally posted by venom2506


I love a game that hardly anybody knows, it's called Shadow of the Horned Rat ( no, it's not a joke, shut up )

I know that, but I only played the demo.

I agree with ZB, the gameplay is what matters in a game, though I wouldn't object to good graphics.

Also, some of us started playing computer games 2 decades ago and we have some good memories from old games, that relied on their gameplay, memories that sometimes can cloud our judgement.

[Zeronet]

Originally posted by CP5670

and I actually use keyboard-only in FPS games even today.

Hehe

[Nico]

Originally posted by Zeronet


Hehe

[Nuclear1]

Originally posted by Zeronet


Hehe

[Setekh]

Actually, I should probably be insulted by that, since I use the keyboard whenever I can avoid the mouse.

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by Setekh
Hmmm, does anyone sell the SSOTY Edition of FS2 online?

Dude, have someone burn and ship you a copy. Perfecty legal, even if you didn't previously own the game.


...And you of all people should be quite aware that We Know Where You Live!

Originally posted by Snakeseyes
Also, some of us started playing computer games 2 decades ago and we have some good memories from old games, that relied on their gameplay, memories that sometimes can cloud our judgement.

*looks at Snakeseyes' location*

And some of us can't legally buy computer games anymore, so we have to rely on the old games in the cupboard.

[Nico]

Originally posted by Sandwich


Dude, have someone burn and ship you a copy. Perfecty legal, even if you didn't previously own the game.

no it's not. source code doesn't mean the game is free now there' still copyrighted art, etc, in  it.

[Goober5000]

The original FS2 license agreement says that you can make copies to give to your friends and acquaintances.