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The cost of hiring one of mjn.mixael's coworkers to complete a model is about $300.  How much would you be willing to contribute?

$1
2 (2.7%)
$5
4 (5.3%)
$10
8 (10.7%)
$25
4 (5.3%)
$50
3 (4%)
$75
0 (0%)
$100
1 (1.3%)
$150
0 (0%)
$200
0 (0%)
$250
0 (0%)
$300
0 (0%)
Snuffleupagus (i.e. naught but well wishes)
53 (70.7%)

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Offline Luis Dias

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Re: MjnMixael Makes Characters
Why don't zods dress up? Their bodies are ugly as hell.

 

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Offline Kolgena

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Re: MjnMixael Makes Characters
Yeah, I'm seeing the brow line, upper mouth ridges (the parts sticking down that look like saggy jowls) as needing some touchup. Your Zod looks about right, but as if it is permanently surprised or sad or something. The bottom half of the face also looks longer than it should be, giving it a sort of slack-jawed look. Or at least, the upper lip should stick out straighter, instead of rounding down. Cheekbones are also a little off too.

Also, keep in mind that you probably won't be able to exactly duplicate the face, in the same way that it's damn hard to duplicate a human one. "Uncanny valley" gets in your way even if you have the most minute differences. I guess that just comes down to how well human brains notice the tiniest differences between different faces.
« Last Edit: July 07, 2011, 09:41:52 am by Kolgena »

 
Re: MjnMixael Makes Characters
Having looked at Water's comparison pics, the 'shoulder muscles' (not sure what to call them) just to either side of where the neck protrudes look like they need to be bulkier to me. But this could probably be explained by this Vasudan not having done much upper body exercise.

 

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Re: MjnMixael Makes Characters
It doesn't matter if it's not exactly like [V]'s Zod anyway, does it? Not all vasudans are going to look exactly the same, so the model doesn't need to be perfect. It's clearly, recognizably vasudan (will be even more so if some of the suggestions in this thread are taken, I'll grant) and personally I'd rather see it released sooner rather than later, especially if it avoids "wires are too thick" type arguments.
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Offline Snail

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Re: MjnMixael Makes Characters
I agree with BW.

 

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yes, but they are actually asking for advise about the model looks, and IMO those features noticed already are important.. they make the character look more aggressive.
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Re: MjnMixael Makes Characters
marine weapon is up into its texturing phase...
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Re: MjnMixael Makes Characters
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Re: MjnMixael Makes Characters
The cheeks remind me of the Ming-beard ;)

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Re: MjnMixael Makes Characters
Angry Vasudan is angry.
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Offline Pred the Penguin

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Re: MjnMixael Makes Characters
He looks ready to rip some headz off. o_o

 

Offline mjn.mixael

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Re: MjnMixael Makes Characters
Most recent based on Cory's work today. (Should look slightly less angry  :lol:)

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Offline Hades

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Re: MjnMixael Makes Characters
Lookin' good.
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Offline sigtau

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Re: MjnMixael Makes Characters
Eagerly awaiting the suit of armor to be put on him, getting tired of seeing a naked Zod. :P
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Offline Kolgena

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Re: MjnMixael Makes Characters
Looks quite a bit better.

The "nose/upper lip" part looks a bit too round and long. Maybe it's just because the head isn't tilted far back enough. The face is pointed in a way that you'd expect in a human, not the upward slope you see on vasudans.


@peacenik: Gun looks good. Look forward to next update.

 

Offline Snail

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Re: MjnMixael Makes Characters
Eagerly awaiting the suit of armor to be put on him, getting tired of seeing a naked Zod. :P
It also needs a ****ing sword.

 

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Re: MjnMixael Makes Characters
Honestly the mouth should look more catfish-like. Right now he has no lips (what the Zod has in the science screencap on page 8 reminds me of lips). D:
« Last Edit: July 13, 2011, 01:06:20 am by Cobra »
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Offline Goober5000

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Re: MjnMixael Makes Characters
These comments are overdue and I shouldn't be up this late, but mjn.mixael is going to get ticked off the more tardy I am. :p

  • One of the "can't put my finger on it" differences might be that the topology of the Volition Vasudan looks fleshy, like it has muscles or fatty tissue covering the face.  In contrast, the face on Cory's Vasudan looks like it has plates or shells; it looks more bony.  Water seemed to notice it in his post here; his modified image makes the brows thicker and adds depth and width to the valley above the forehead.  This pic is better, but the brows and areas above the eyes don't look thick enough to be muscular yet.  The latest pic looks even better, but I'd like to see a more zoomed-in view.
  • Also, the brows on the Volition Vasudan are more rounded, almost spherical.  Cory's brows are more pointed.  Additionally, Cory's brows seem to come down too far; it looks like the Volition brows are no lower than the midpoint of the eye.  The too-low brows are probably why this Vasudan looks angry.
  • The cylindrical protrusions on Cory's zod stick out a bit too far to the sides; they should be shortened.  Also, they might need to be angled forward slightly.
  • As seen in this comparison, the neck supports need to be shortened slightly and joined to the shoulders a bit more continuously -- like the Cardassian neck ridges but muscular rather than scaly.  And in that comparison picture, Cory's Zod has his head shifted back where the lab Zod has his head forward.  Look at the angle of his neck.
  • The sinusoidal groove between the torso and the trunk is much more U-shaped in Cory's Zod than in the Volition version.
  • The cheeks on Cory's Vasudan look a lot more sunken, and from the overhead comparison pic on the previous page they also look more angled.  See the attached comparison pic for the most prominent cheek-lines that I saw.  Cobra's "catfish" comparison seems particularly apt.

So those are my current thoughts. :)  It looks very, very good already; the only thing, IMO, that needs just a little more refinement is the face.

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Offline mjn.mixael

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Re: MjnMixael Makes Characters
Notes taken and passed on, but people really need to stop worrying about the 'pose' of the Vasudan (head or otherwise) until later. kthx.
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