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Title: Problem with beam weapons
Post by: starbug on December 13, 2008, 07:06:48 am

I don't know if this is the right board for this or if this should be in the SCP forum, but since downloading the new 3.6.10 Media VP, i have noticed that anti-capital beams ie Bgreen, Terslash etc have all started to target fighters, bombers and bombs! at first i thought it might be a mod messing things up so i uninstalled FS2 and did a fresh install, and just put the media vps in and nothing else no mods at all. It is still doing it, i created a mission in fred with just an Orion and shivan figthers and bombers, and the orion fired the Bgreens and Terslashs at them. Its as if the game is ignoring the "huge" flags in the weapon tables. Has anyone else had this Problem?

Oh i am using the build recommended in the media VP read me the nightly 4989.

Title: Re: Problem with beam weapons
Post by: Wanderer on December 13, 2008, 07:26:05 am

Well huge weapons have targeted bombs all the time so seeing those beams targeting bombs (and often bombers should they hang 'behind the bomb screen') is not surprising. If they are targeting fighters then that would be a problem

Title: Re: Problem with beam weapons
Post by: starbug on December 13, 2008, 09:21:06 am

I've made a few missions without bombers, just hercs attacking an hostile Orion and each time the Bgreens try to take them down, they have even taken me down afew times, Ouch!

Title: Re: Problem with beam weapons
Post by: StrayFender on December 13, 2008, 09:43:56 am

don't worry. i've died 11 times because the ****ing mjolinirs, the colossus, and a ****ing orion. (all of this are friendly BTW)
(the majority of the times i had not crossed the line of fire, and still fired on me.)
 :hopping: :hopping: :hopping:









but i guess i have EXTREMELY bad luck.

Title: Re: Problem with beam weapons
Post by: Wanderer on December 13, 2008, 09:53:21 am

Quote from: starbug on December 13, 2008, 09:21:06 am

I've made a few missions without bombers, just hercs attacking an hostile Orion and each time the Bgreens try to take them down, they have even taken me down afew times, Ouch!

First.. could you try without mediavps. If there is change in the behaviour then report it. However if the problem persists even without mediavps...Could you try earlier nightly builds to see when this behavior started (roughly... no need to check every build)?

Title: Re: Problem with beam weapons
Post by: Hero_Swe on December 17, 2008, 06:39:36 pm

You know, i just had this weird experience myself, and i'll tell you guys all about it

Spoiler:

It was in transcend, the mission where you go through the battlefield of GTVA after you've just met Saya. You get tasked with taking out the bombers targeting civilians. So i head straight for the first bomber group. i frontal them and take down a sekhmet(spelling?). the 3 remaining bombers fire off their missiles and then it happens, all four of us (me and the bombers) get's taken out in the blink of an eye by the BFgreen of an orion destroyer in the distance!

I was like.... What? :confused:

Title: Re: Problem with beam weapons
Post by: FS2_playa613 on December 19, 2008, 11:57:43 pm

yea... Ive only ran into this problem twice, and i got owned both times. First was in Derelict when the MT Auriga Orion first shows off its long range BFGreen,  instead of targeting the frieghter like its supposed to, I got picked off from over 6k away by a BFG. Man, MT's BFGreens have pinpoint accurarcy :P
The second time was in Bearbaiting, where the Sath had clearly heard about alpha 1, decided my bomber was more of a priority then the Phonecia Hecate class directly in front of it, and proceeded to 4-way skewer me with all 4 BFReds.
Its only happned twice... but it is a wth moment.

Title: Re: Problem with beam weapons
Post by: Droid803 on December 20, 2008, 12:09:12 am

Quote from: FS2_playa613 on December 19, 2008, 11:57:43 pm

The second time was in Bearbaiting, where the Sath had clearly heard about alpha 1, decided my bomber was more of a priority then the Phonecia Hecate class directly in front of it, and proceeded to 4-way skewer me with all 4 BFReds.

That's smart of the Sathanas, actually :P
Is the AI growing sentient? :nervous:

Title: Re: Problem with beam weapons
Post by: Kolgena on December 24, 2008, 03:37:23 am

I think I have the exact opposite problem. After getting the 3.6.10 stuff, I notice that cap ships no longer use beams on each other unless the mission scripts them to do so or something. Like, if you go into mission simulator and select single missions, the first Big Battle has tons of cap ships that shoot blobs at each other, collide, and such. No beam attacks though. The second big battle is fine, however.

I'm not sure if it's supposed to be like that or not, but it's kind of bothersome, and I imagine it'll make the missions I'm coming up to impossible. At Roman's Blunder, I found it
actually quite difficult to beat even after the Psamtik comes in, because it just sits there and shoots blobs instead of using beams against the NTF cruisers.

Title: Re: Problem with beam weapons
Post by: Zacam on December 24, 2008, 09:26:56 pm

Only one of the Massive Battle missions actually uses beams. The other one is beam-locked. This is to allow for certain testing capabilities.

Honestly, those missions shouldn't really have been released, but they do allow for an interesting show case and performance benchmark.

Title: Re: Problem with beam weapons
Post by: Kolgena on January 15, 2009, 02:25:42 am

Hmm. I'm now at the mission where you have to defend the Oberon and keep the Aquitaine alive while it jumps to Gamma Draconis.

I'm having a terrible time (played the mission about 12 times now on medium, hard and insane), and can't seem to beat it. Everything's pretty easy to do, but the Aquitaine always jumps out leaving the Moloch with anywhere between 15%-60% hull integrity. I remember beating this mission without the 3.6.10 vps in one go, but I can't seem to get past it. I find the Moloch, after losing its beams, drops behind the Aquitaine. After a while, it's only in the firing arc of the rear beam, so it's basically impossible to kill after that.

I'm not sure exactly if this is due to a change in the mission done in the vps, or messed up beams, but if I don't get a solution, I'll delete my pilot and restart so I can skip the mission (I misclicked on the 5th fail)

Title: Re: Problem with beam weapons
Post by: Commander Zane on January 15, 2009, 02:27:07 am

You should get another chance to skip the mission if you keep failing it again.

Title: Re: Problem with beam weapons
Post by: Kolgena on January 15, 2009, 02:30:31 am

Not if you misclick "Do not show this message again" :P

Edit: I just realized... Isn't killing the Moloch a Secondary Objective? Why does the game fail me every time it jumps out?
Also, sorry about taking this thread completely off topic >.>

Edit: K, I figured it out. The mission objectives are wrong in the vp version. I turned off the vps and I beat the mission without killing the Moloch.

Title: Re: Problem with beam weapons
Post by: Grizzly on January 26, 2009, 06:05:47 am

I once had the experience that a Mara was fried in front of me by a BFgreen. That scared me more then "Dive!" did.

Title: Re: Problem with beam weapons
Post by: Commander Zane on January 26, 2009, 06:31:03 am

Quote from: Kolgena on January 15, 2009, 02:30:31 am

Not if you misclick "Do not show this message again" :P

That exists?

Title: Re: Problem with beam weapons
Post by: Dilmah G on January 26, 2009, 10:07:48 am

Quote from: Commander Zane on January 26, 2009, 06:31:03 am

Quote from: Kolgena on January 15, 2009, 02:30:31 am

Not if you misclick "Do not show this message again" :P

That exists?

Yeah

sounds like someone doesn't see it very often then