[Sandwich]

Hey all, I know that I said I would post the poll for voting someone into the management position for editing the source code, but I forgot one thing: the poll needs to be un-connected to everyone's logins at either HLP or the VWBB, for the simple reason that people could vote twice for the same person.

So this is what's happening: An external website is being set up for this project. A poll will be posted there to allow everyone from both HLP and the VWBB to vote. It'll probably be up by the beginning of the week or so (barring unforseen circumstances).

As for project forums, it has yet to be decided whether the discussion will be on both HLP and VWBB or on a completely seperate forum. Personally I think the latter will be much easier to maintain, but that's just my one small voice.

[Inquisitor]

Hurry

Don't turn the search into a huge project, I know I won't "contest" any results, I just want someone named so we can get on with things like CVS

Also, put in a safety valve, if the PM is an idiot, the rest of us can vote him out

Model it after open-source.

My nickel, night all

[Fineus]

Agreed on all accounts - re: one thing though, I'd like to keep the source code forum here at HLP along with a notice (depending on the final decision) that it isn't the official "SCP" forum. Just a forum for discussing the source code in (which is what it really was from the start )

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by Thunder
I'd like to keep the source code forum here at HLP along with a notice (depending on the final decision) that it isn't the official "SCP" forum. Just a forum for discussing the source code in (which is what it really was from the start )

To be honest, I'm split over this one (not that I have any say in the matter, but...). Having an unofficial source-code forum here fits in perfectly with the goal of HLP - "Bringing MODders Together", but we need to realize that this project is unique in that it needs to be a truly community-wide effort. Duplicating work on two forums is sily, and there is also the problem of non-HLP VWBB'ers missing out on anything posted here.

So I dunno. I'd say to leave that decision up to the "team", whoever they may be.

[IceFire]

I'd like to keep the source code forum here at HLP along with a notice (depending on the final decision) that it isn't the official "SCP" forum. Just a forum for discussing the source code in (which is what it really was from the start )

Yup...I think we should probably do something like that at VWBB as well.  I'm not sure what we should all do quite yet but I think the best thing we can all do is just stay open on the subject.

[Bobboau]

I think the VW and HLP forums should both stay up, but with a big bright link to the "offical" forum at the top, and maybe a smaller link to each other forum

[EdrickV]

HLP has a Source Code forum, VWBB has a Modding forum. I personally like HLP better because, as I've said before, the E-mail notification code works. I have never gotten an E-mail notification from VWBB which makes it harder for me to tell what threads I have and haven't read or which ones have posts I haven't read. (And, no offense to VWBB, but their FS2 Modding forum doesn't seem very active compared to HLP. That's probably because it's new though.) Setting up an entirely seperate forum on another server could introduce all new problems plus everyone who wants to get involved with, or keep informed on, this project would have to go there and check yet another forum in addition to the ones we already have. (For me that would mean I'd have to check multiple threads in 6+ forums on 4 different servers, all stuff related to FS2, in addition to everything else I do.)  I personally think the VWBB Modding forum is good for the VWBBers, and this forum could be the official one. There are people who check both boards and there's nothing stopping the VWBBers from looking at the HLP board.

Just my two bits. ($0.25)

[Fineus]

Personally - I always figured that the source code project was thought of and started by VW and as such the forum for it would be hosted by them. However as a modding site HLP should at least provide support for the source code. Thus we supply a forum for the source code, depending on the end decision the source code project forum is hosted by VW and thus everyone is happy. At least that's the theory. And with the creation of the project a permenant link would of course be post on this forum directing people to the VWBB source code project forum. I think that'd work

[Inquisitor]

There is too much love in both places, the sorta organic way this is proceeding seems to be doing rather well.

Articles and some discussion, as well as daveb access at VWBB, more freeform stuff here.

So far, it has not presented a problem.

As to any formal source code team, THAT might/should stay in one place or the other, but the open mike stuff, I dunno, anyone really see a problem with the way its going?

[EdrickV]

Originally posted by Thunder
Personally - I always figured that the source code project was thought of and started by VW and as such the forum for it would be hosted by them. However as a modding site HLP should at least provide support for the source code. Thus we supply a forum for the source code, depending on the end decision the source code project forum is hosted by VW and thus everyone is happy. At least that's the theory. And with the creation of the project a permenant link would of course be post on this forum directing people to the VWBB source code project forum. I think that'd work

The way I see things, this whole thing started with FSF. As I understand it, VWBB didn't even have FS2 forums until the VBB went down. And, I don't know if it's true, but it occurs to me that maybe the FSF group was one motivating factor in the release of the source code: They saw we were desperate enough to try and make our own engine that they tried to find ways around their legal obstacles in order to release the source code to us. As far as the source code project being started by VWBB, I think it was started at VWBB but not by VWBB. And that may have been because HLP was down at the time so VWBB kinda had the community's full attention. If their E-mail code worked I'd like it better. That E-mail notification is the main thing I don't like about VWBB. And they don't, yet, have a source code forum. I'm not sure if they're still planning on doing one or not.

[Inquisitor]

Eh, maybe.

Like i said, it's not particularly broke right now.

Anywho, off to Buffalo for a week, enjoy

[Todd]

Actually, FWIW, Dave has been trying to get the source code released for some time. The fact that FSF popped up when it did is pure coincidence.

[IceFire]

And they don't, yet, have a source code forum. I'm not sure if they're still planning on doing one or not.

You must have missed this one: http://www.volitionwatch.com/vwbb/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=40

[EdrickV]

Read the forum title. That's the MOD discussion forum. Not the Source Code forum. Just like we have a Modding forum here. It predates the release of the source code I believe and someone mentioned that they were thinking of making a source code forum. (Just like we did here.) If you'd looked you would notice I've been posting in there since I first saw the "Two Words: Source Code" thread while HLP was down.

[IceFire]

Ummm...Remmy set that MOD forum up the day and we discussed what name it should have.  So yes indeed I have read it thank you.

*shakes head*

[Inquisitor]

Guys, one of the most important things is a community CVS, if someone, ANYONE would get named as project lead, that would satisfy a requirement for setting up the CVS.

We need it, the porting effort will suffer from it VERY quickly if we don't get it, and we should do all this stuff by the book, rather than shoestring.

[Mysterial]

I agree with Inquisitor. I'm getting really tired of all this time being wasted over a "project leader" when, in the end, a good project requires a lot of contribution from everybody, and the "leader" ends up doing nothing special but coordination, if even that.  Also, by the time we're all done (if ever), there will probably have been many different "project leaders" over that time.

In other words, it really isn't that important. Helpful, yes. Absolutely necessary, no. (IMO, of course)

Since Warpcore (or wherever the CVS is being hosted) apparently needs a project lead, name someone "temporary project leader" until the vote is done, and get the CVS started already. I've been waiting for it before I do any major work because I didn't feel like doing something somebody's already done, and I'm getting tired of waiting.

[IceFire]

Alas....co-ordination is the most important part of any project.  Mind you, without anyone to co-ordinate its pretty useless too.  Vote stuff is being setup but everyone seems to be tied down with assignments and exams at the moment.

[Inquisitor]

Who here would object to me doing it temporarily, and getting us set up?

E3 is over, time to go to work

[Mysterial]

Please, go right ahead.