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Offline Setekh

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Okay, guys. Some of you may be familiar with the work Fractux is doing on making a full install download available for FS2 Open - basically meaning not just the EXE, but the whole shebang required to run the SCP-version of FS2. I'm referring to this:

http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,18454.0.html

Anyway, I emailed Dakota from FilePlanet to see if he was interested in making something of this. Here's his reply.

[q]To: "'Eddie Woo'"
Subject: RE: A feature: full download of FreeSpace 2 Open


Hi Setekh,

Thanks for your e-mail.  I was actually not familiar with the efforts to update FreeSpace 2.  This is an impressive and exciting project.  I would be happy to host the file and promote it like crazy on the front page of FilePlanet and in our weekly newsletters.  I'll do everything I can to make sure that the 8-10 million monthly visitors to FilePlanet know all about it.  :-)

I do have a few questions for you.  First, can you point me to the license agreement for the source code?  I'm sure you guys have thought all this through, but I want to at least glance at the license to be sure that the distribution would be legal.  Second, when do you think the final version will be ready for release?  And third, would you be willing to let FilePlanet Subscribers beta test it before the final release?  This would give me a reason to promote the release even more, and give a little perk to the guys who pay for the bandwidth.  I can give you and your team complementary accounts, naturally.

Darren L. Tabor
Executive Director, Subscription Services[/q]

On the note of a 'final' version, I'm not sure how to break to him that this will remain an ongoing project for quite some time. As for the Subcribers deal, I think we owe it to them (ie. GameSpy), since they provide this all for us free and are about to give us a huge publicity smack, to let them do what they like with that. And the license agreement - well, that's where I need your help. Can someone dig it up for me? Cheers. :)
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Offline übermetroid

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Originally posted by Setekh
Second, when do you think the final version will be ready for release?


LOL!!! :D

So, when if the final going to be ready?

Non joke, this is cool that he is will to put it up as long as everything is legal...
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Offline Styxx

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Interesting.

The licence agreement part is a bit "iffy" though. I don't know if there's any provision for distributing the actual content of the game with the source code, except for the clause on the EULA that says you can copy it to your friends, and I don't really think that this stuff would apply to it being mass distributed by a huge site like Gamespy.
Probably away. Contact through email.

 

Offline mikhael

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That was my thought, Styxx.
[I am not really here. This post is entirely a figment of your imagination.]

 

Offline Liberator

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This would be cool and get the project world exposure, and possibly lead to the "Project" that we all dream of. :)
So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

There are only 10 types of people in the world , those that understand binary and those that don't.

 

Offline redmenace

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even a more important reason to get a descent read me written. If we go ahead with this the SCP forum will be flooded with idiotic newbie questions like can we get the original movies to play or how do I get h T&L to work.
Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else.
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Offline Setekh

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Indeed. Doesn't make things any better that neither V nor Interplay will really take responsibility for the rights. Bugger.
- Eddie Kent Woo, Setekh, Steak (of Steaks), AWACS. Seriously, just pick one.
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Offline redmenace

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Quote
Originally posted by Liberator
This would be cool and get the project world exposure, and possibly lead to the "Project" that we all dream of. :)

Are you making reference to a Freespace 3: Another Great War
Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else.
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Offline DragonClaw

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FreeSpace3: The Lost Legacy sounds cooler... make contact with the Ancients, blablalbah :p

 

Offline Galemp

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We should ask the guys who own the rights.... if only we knew who that was...
"Anyone can do any amount of work, provided it isn't the work he's supposed to be doing at that moment." -- Robert Benchley

Members I've personally met: RedStreblo, Goober5000, Sandwich, Splinter, Su-tehp, Hippo, CP5670, Terran Emperor, Karajorma, Dekker, McCall, Admiral Wolf, mxlm, RedSniper, Stealth, Black Wolf...

 

Offline redmenace

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FreeSpace3: Get our Collective Asses Handed to us by the Shivans Again
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Offline Setekh

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Hmmm, GE... did you get anywhere with your inquiries at Interplay? Or was that someone else? Have you tried email a proper V employee?

Quote
Originally posted by DragonClaw
FreeSpace3: The Lost Legacy sounds cooler... make contact with the Ancients, blablalbah :p


Nothing with the word 'Legacy' in it, if you please. :lol:
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Offline DragonClaw

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Originally posted by Setekh
Nothing with the word 'Legacy' in it, if you please. :lol:


Is there a specific reason for this that I'm not aware of at this current point in time?

 

Offline Lightspeed

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Freespace3: The answer is 42.

and as for 'final version' :lol: :lol:
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Offline Setekh

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Originally posted by DragonClaw
Is there a specific reason for this that I'm not aware of at this current point in time?


You're better off not knowing, DC. ;)

Anyway, can anyone find the official legal statement that was issued with the FS2 source code when it was released by V? I need to have a gander at it...
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Offline DragonClaw

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Quote
Originally posted by Setekh
You're better off not knowing, DC. ;)

Anyway, can anyone find the official legal statement that was issued with the FS2 source code when it was released by V? I need to have a gander at it...


Actually I'm not better off.

They say, anticipation of knowing is half the fun of actually knowing, but I do not go by that, how should I say this, conception, of fun :p

Tell, even if by PM :p

 

Offline Galemp

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Here's the thread that Todd paid attention to, over on VW.
http://www.hard-light.net/vwbb/showthread.php?threadid=9490

In response to the emails from Interplay, saying that they no longer had the rights:
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Originally posted by Todd:
Anyone at Interplay who starts an email with "Dear Gamer" obviously has no idea what's going on :)

I don't either, though. But at least I'll admit it. I have no idea if Interplay really ditched the rights nor not. And if so who now has them.


So I guess it's a waiting game... we post what we can and see who mails the 'cease and desist' order. ;)
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Members I've personally met: RedStreblo, Goober5000, Sandwich, Splinter, Su-tehp, Hippo, CP5670, Terran Emperor, Karajorma, Dekker, McCall, Admiral Wolf, mxlm, RedSniper, Stealth, Black Wolf...

 

Offline Fractux

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Well, this is pretty exciting to hear :)

I know I'm pretty new here, and the work I'm doing putting this together doesn't really rely on me at all.

Now that I've learnt all about the installer, and gotten it working and been testing it like mad, putting the whole package together is technically in this respect, very easy.

The two major things to sort out are:

1. the legal issues.
2. What content is actually going to go in to it to represent what you guys have been working so diligently at.

I'm pretty new around here, so i know you guys have a much better idea of what you want to see than I do.

What I need to do is know what's the best way of coordinating any of this.

Also, here's what I dug up. This is the readme from the source code release:

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Copyright (C) Volition, Inc. 1999.  All rights reserved.

All source code herein is the property of Volition, Inc. You may not sell
or otherwise commercially exploit the source or things you created based on the
source.


4/20/02 : Added very basic windowed D3D mode to help those who don't have access to 2 monitors
          for Glide debugging. Hooked it in as the -window commandline parameter.  

4/21/02 : Removed updatelauncher, stamper, movieplayer, autorun, fs2launch projects.
4/21/02 : Added some stubs to Pofview to get it compiling.
4/21/02 : Added stubs to Nebedit to get it compiling. Added Nebedit_running to ensure software mode startup.
4/21/02 : Added stubs to fonttool to get it compiling.
4/21/02 : Added stubs to AC to get it compiling.
4/21/02 : Hacked out movieplayer and all references to it.
4/21/02 : Hacked out amd 3d-now specific stuff.
4/21/02 : Hacked out PXO code.

4/22/02 : Removed stamper stuff. Cleaned out remaining unused files.
4/22/02 : Final pass checking all builds.
4/24/02 : Added word statistics for "hack" and "fixme" at the request of jefff.
4/24/02 : Added more notes to guided_tour.txt



Now, that doesn't tell us much at all, and it only relates to the source code.

The readme that comes with the game has a section called "Legal Stuff" but that won;t apply anymore since the rights have changed.

THis is a section from the original readme

Quote

The Software, including, without limitation, all code, data structures,
characters, images, sounds, text, screens, game play, derivative works and
all other elements of the Software may not be copied, resold, rented,
leased, distributed (electronically or otherwise), used on a pay-per-play,
coin-op or other for-charge basis, or for any commercial purpose.  Any
permissions granted herein are provided on a temporary basis and can be
withdrawn by Interplay Productions at any time. All rights not expressly
granted are reserved.


then some blable about online play...

then

Quote


Acceptance of License Terms. By downloading or acquiring and then retaining
this Software, you assent to the terms and restrictions of this limited
license. If you acquired the Software and do not accept the terms of this
limited license, you must return the Software together with all packaging,
manuals and other material contained therein to the store where you acquired
the Software for a full refund and if you downloaded the Software, you must
delete it.



Copyright Information
---------------------

FreeSpace 2 (c) 1999 by Volition, Inc. All rights reserved.
Portions (c) 1999 Interplay Productions. All rights reserved.
FreeSpace 2, Interplay, the Interplay Logo, and "By Gamers. For Gamers." are
trademarks of Interplay Productions. Windows(r) 95 is a registered trademark
of Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. Exclusively licensed and
distributed by Interplay Productions. All other trademarks are the property
of their respective owners.



But once again, this is from 1999, and if interplay doesn't hold the rights to any of this, then...

:confused:
-What exactly gets separated in "mechanically separated chicken" ?

 

Offline Fractux

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Oh yeah, and considering the statement

"All source code herein is the property of Volition, Inc. You may not sell
or otherwise commercially exploit the source or things you created based on the
source."

would that not allow FIleplanet to keep the original release for subscribers only since they are, in a way, profiting from it?

Man, where's a cheap lawyer when you need one.. :D
-What exactly gets separated in "mechanically separated chicken" ?

 

Offline Setekh

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Thanks very much, Fractux. Your efforts are greatly appreciated. :)

It's time for me to go on an email spree... get to the bottom of this, who's got the rights and what we can do with FreeSpace. Volition and Interplay, here I come. :drevil:
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