[Asteroth]

Byrne and strategic deterrence sittin' in a tree, K-I-S-S-I-N-G ...

[Snail]

Incidentally, what were the arguments against ALL GTVA DESTROYERS TO SOL again? I forgot.

[PsychoLandlord]

Not necessary to have them there, keeping the peace back home, defense in case of Shivans, that whole thing I believe.

[Snail]

seriously though how hilarious would it be to have 10 GTVA destroyers in Sol

[NGTM-1R]

Seriously though, this is definitely gonna be something more interesting than a superweapon/supership/superportal. BP crew know better than this.

Having some secret inside information that is most likely out of date, I'd wager that they actually didn't with the first rendition of WiH.

[Mars]

Incidentally, what were the arguments against ALL GTVA DESTROYERS TO SOL again? I forgot.

We will deploy significant force to the Sol theater, maintaining at least five destroyer groups in-system at all time to effect a quick resolution. In case of another Shivan outbreak, we will not compromise our perimeter or our quick-reaction forces.

[Snail]

Seriously though, this is definitely gonna be something more interesting than a superweapon/supership/superportal. BP crew know better than this.

Having some secret inside information that is most likely out of date, I'd wager that they actually didn't with the first rendition of WiH.

DO YOU SEE? DO YOU SEE?

Incidentally, what were the arguments against ALL GTVA DESTROYERS TO SOL again? I forgot.

We will deploy significant force to the Sol theater, maintaining at least five destroyer groups in-system at all time to effect a quick resolution. In case of another Shivan outbreak, we will not compromise our perimeter or our quick-reaction forces.

Have the Vasudans do that.

Apart from the obvious arguments (home front, Shivans) I mean.

[PsychoLandlord]

seriously though how hilarious would it be to have 10 GTVA destroyers in Sol

Quite Hilarious. You could probably win the war with Fighter assets alone at that point. Could make for a fun "Ultimate Karuna Gauntlet" mission. Nothing but Bombers for AU around. Course, then the Shivans would pick THAT moment to kick in the door and mess up the GTVA core systems.

[General Battuta]

Seriously though, this is definitely gonna be something more interesting than a superweapon/supership/superportal. BP crew know better than this.

Having some secret inside information that is most likely out of date, I'd wager that they actually didn't with the first rendition of WiH.

You are wrong. Beta testers never saw anything that would've constituted a spoiler. Beta testers did see plenty of random test crap or stuff left from the alpha.

Absolute discretion is a condition of testing; had you actually seen anything worth hiding you could have just really ruined things. Please don't. This is the second time you've tried to spoil the ending right out in the open, and even though you don't have the information required to do it, it speaks to qualities totally unbecoming of the job you were asked to do.

[DarthWang]

God I hope not. Mainly because Gargant

There better be a Gargant or I'm going to be pissed off

[General Battuta]

God I hope not. Mainly because Gargant

There better be a Gargant or I'm going to be pissed off

Upload the HTL model and we'll take a look at including it.

[MatthTheGeek]

You liek big stuff. Compensating for something ?

[Doko]

I wouldn't mind an explanation on how exactly they are hiding this earth's secret project on such a small portion of space. Considering the GTVA already has control of jupiter reducing the number of planets where this facility could be located.

Was it an orbital installation ? a secret underground facility on mercury/venus? It just seems any facility worth sacrificing the whole space production capability of earth would be heavily defended and thus attract attention. GTVA does have stealth recon spacecraft after all.

[PsychoLandlord]

I figured they were using some mobile vessel or vessels similar to the way the GTVA employs their Logistics ships. It took the UEF having an inside contact to find one of those, and they knew they existed. As far as we know, the GTVA has no idea that the Bei's project exists, much less where it's installations and ships might be.

[NGTM-1R]

Absolute discretion is a condition of testing; had you actually seen anything worth hiding you could have just really ruined things. Please don't. This is the second time you've tried to spoil the ending right out in the open, and even though you don't have the information required to do it, it speaks to qualities totally unbecoming of the job you were asked to do.

Considering your recent behaviors as a moderator, you are in no position to speak of "absolute conditions" of the job.

More to the point, I am also operating off and speaking of things that I know are not true and you should as well. I am revealing information that is months old and totally incorrect; the incorrectness of this information was asked of and affirmed back when I was still testing no less! The only value this information has to anyone is as a historical footnote. It is also so vague and inspecific as to be useless. A "supership/superweapon/superportal" could mean damn near anything and at this level of vagueness will make people curious about what happens. My commentary on Snail's comment says absolutely nothing of a spoiling nature. It's literally as vague as his is, and must be because it's agreement with him.

So kindly shut the **** up, I'm not revealing your secrets and I'm not trying to.

[General Battuta]

Whoa, whoa, hang on. Small portion of space?

Space is huge! Sol (like any star system) is gigantic! In the BPverse, the big method of detection is subspace transits. Now, hiding anything in space can be tricky, because generally there is no 'cover' or real means of concealment - but there are ways.

Absolute discretion is a condition of testing; had you actually seen anything worth hiding you could have just really ruined things. Please don't. This is the second time you've tried to spoil the ending right out in the open, and even though you don't have the information required to do it, it speaks to qualities totally unbecoming of the job you were asked to do.

Considering your recent behaviors as a moderator, you are in no position to speak of "absolute conditions" of the job.

More to the point, I am also operating off and speaking of things that I know are not true and you should as well. I am revealing information that is months old and totally incorrect; the incorrectness of this information was asked of and affirmed back when I was still testing no less! The only value this information has to anyone is as a historical footnote. It is also so vague and inspecific as to be useless. A "supership/superweapon/superportal" could mean damn near anything and at this level of vagueness will make people curious about what happens. My commentary on Snail's comment says absolutely nothing of a spoiling nature. It's literally as vague as his is, and must be because it's agreement with him.

So kindly shut the **** up, I'm not revealing your secrets and I'm not trying to.

That's funny, I think my moderation's been excellent and quite in the proud tradition of HLP's best.

Just abide by a simple rule: don't talk about anything that might even be vaguely related to anything you've seen that has not been released to the public. What you said could've done some real damage if we hadn't been more careful. Disconfirmation is as serious as confirmation, and when your judgment on the matter falters you'll have to bow to ours.

Judging by the strength of your reaction I'm guessing the point got across. Any further comments from you on this line of conversation will be removed; you simply shouldn't be discussing it. You were trusted, please don't betray that trust.

[PsychoLandlord]

Whoa, whoa, hang on. Small portion of space?

Space is huge! Sol (like any star system) is gigantic! In the BPverse, the big method of detection is subspace transits. Now, hiding anything in space can be tricky, because generally there is no 'cover' or real means of concealment - but there are ways.

Actually, that raises a question I've had for a while. It was never really touched on in stock FS, but the BPverse has tried to stay (relatively) hard as Sci-fi goes, so I'm guessing that means you cant park a ship in  a system and do Star Trek style Deep Scans and suddenly learn where every celestial body in the System is? Planets are one thing, but mapping asteroids and space stations is another matter entirely, so If they dont have magic awesome space scanners then I see no problem with them stashing a research station of some type wherever they needed to. Heck, it could even be behind GTVA "lines" at this point.

[Droid803]

Would you even need to hide where you're doing research?
Any scan can tell an installation's there but how exactly are you going to differentiate between a Kumari being used as a civilian station, a mini-shipyard, or as a research station?

Do you really need to hide?

[NGTM-1R]

This message will be reposted every time it is removed. The point did not get across. I did you the courtesy of a response at length because I was responded to at length. Otherwise you would simply get an "lolstfu".

Absolute discretion is not a condition of testing. You know this. You've operated in this knowledge by it rooting for people like Axem and Spoon before the release of their campaigns. Don't feed me a line you're not willing to toe yourself.

I was agreeing with general sentiments expressed in the thread, i.e. you know better than this, by saying that things had changed. If you actually went down that route, it would come as a greater shock now. If you did not go down that route, no one would be surprised anyways. Come now, you've actually made the problem several orders of magnitude worse by failing to consider the ramifications before slamming out an "ohnoezbetrayal" reply.

[PsychoLandlord]

Would you even need to hide where you're doing research?
Any scan can tell an installation's there but how exactly are you going to differentiate between a Kumari being used as a civilian station, a mini-shipyard, or as a research station?

Do you really need to hide?

If said research is on the level of clearance that we're discussing, then yes, I believe so. A normal research station, even a military one, would have no reason to hide itself, but we're talking about something that involves Fedaration Black Ops/Boogeymen and has eaten a good chunk of one of the most powerful military detachments in the Sol System. I think it's safe to say that Byrne and the Bei's dont want anyone finding out what this is, whatsoever, until they're good and ready. And if you hide said station out in the open, you may be difficult to pick out at first, but eventually some random patrol or recon unit will wander by, keeping tabs, get a closer look, and boom. There goes your secret. 

TL:DR, if it's this important, and they were actually capable of truly hiding it, why the hell wouldn't they?