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Hosted Projects - Standalone => The Babylon Project => Topic started by: karajorma on January 20, 2005, 02:07:49 pm
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Those of you are regulars on HLP will probably already know that I run the FRED Academy (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,28122.0.html). For those who don't know what the FRED Academy is or who are a little sketchy on the details here's a short explaination.
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The FRED Academy is a community project where experienced FREDders help the newer people learn how to use FRED better. Basically the community gets together and designs a shortish (7-10 mission) campaign. The missions are then assigned to those new people who want trainng. Everyone plays each others missions and coments on what works and what doesn't. The missions are also tested by a more experienced FREDder who posts a more detailed explaination of what works, what doesn't and what could use improvement.
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Anyway the reason I'm mentioning this here is that I'm seriously thinking about setting up a campaign using TBP as I'm seeing a lot of new people playing with FRED who could probably use some help.
If I run another campaign I'd expect the FREDders who sign on to test each others missions. The biggest problem with the FS2 version is that everyone leaves me to test all the missions and I simply don't have the time. Hopefully this wouldn't prove as big a problem with TBP as there are lots of people very hungry for new missions to play :)
With that in mind I'm asking people if they would be interested in joining up.
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As I said, I'm interested :) But! Only problem is that I have an old videocard and can't use FRED2 3.5.6. ...I hope that I can buy a new one soon... :p
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All right, I'll sign up.
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I'd like to try to help out; I'm really interested in learning how to do more with the freditor.
I'll leave the perceived utility of my contribution to be assessed by y'all. :D
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yeap sure Been teaching my self fred just need heaps of work on scripting etc
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Well four people is a good start :) If there's no one else by this time tomorrow I'll start taking submissions for a plotline. I'm thinking something 6 or 7 missions long would be a good idea to start with :)
If you've got some idea for a good plotline start thinking about it now guys. I'll need mission descriptions for all the mission. Take a look at the main FRED Academy thread linked to above for an idea of the minimum level of detail I need :)
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Okay. I'm now taking submissions for the plotline.
Basically I need a 7-8 mission campaign using the ships in TBP 3.1.
Don't particularly care what it is as long as it's good :) (Might be an idea to stay away from the civil war to avoid stepping on TBP's toes though :D ).
While I'm here can someone with TBP access to the new page post this.
FRED Academy and The Babylon Project come together.
Due to the large(ish) number of new FREDders who are joining up just to make missions using TBP R3 the FRED Academy is now running a campaign based in the Babylon 5 universe. If you have an idea for a campaign or are interested in improving your FREDding you might want to take a look.
Edit it as you see fit but I'd rather it went up on the news page as a piece of TBP news than as a general HLP one.
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Oddly enough, I came up with a premise for a B5 campaign just about an hour ago. It would be even better if the Babylon 5 model and T´Loth model would be complete. Given what we've got to work with, this campaign would follow pilots aboard the Narn heavy cruiser G'Tock (sp?) seen in S2 "The Fall of Night", S3 "Walkabout" and likely "Shadow Dancing" and perhaps even during S4 "Into the Fire". The missions would take place between "The Fall of Night" and "Walkabout", and follow the ship and its crew as they try to escape the Centauri, find disabled narn ships and try to either repair them or evacuate the remaining crew, and perhaps procure weapons. The latter would even involve shipments of weapons and supplies possibly headed to the Narn homeworld, that G'Kar is organizing. Downsides would be the lack of variety of Narn capital ships. It could also use the narn shuttle model. Also, in "Walkabout" Na'Far (sp?) mentioned the various types of ships they had repaired, including "dreadnaughts". Now, I've never seen any Narn capital ship that could be classified as a dreadnaught, in the series. Do you plan on overlooking that reference, or seeking semi or non-cannon designs to fill this gap?
Anyway, this could act as a demo campaign, until more models get inclued. Once these are however, a much longer campaign could follow the G'Tock from missions spanning the war, to their arrival at B5 at the end of S2, through the events included in the proposed demo campaign (though perhaps expanded further) and (if Shadow/Vorlon vessels get included), even its involvement in the Shadow war.
How's that sound?
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Sounds pretty cool. Any chance I could convince you to turn that all into a mission by mission breakdown?
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Yeah, that would be pretty good.
And the ship's name was G'Tok. :) The Raider Battlewagon could be used as a Narn Freighter, maybe? It looks kind of Narn-ish.
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Sounds good to me :)
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I was thinking of just using the EA Personel transport. After all, pretty much every race (except Minbari) uses that ship or some modefication of it. The Nar's design is very similar but has a larger, less blocky back end and some bulk on the sides. Example seen in S1 "By Any Means Necessary". Its also got weapons, as seen in S2 "And Now for a Word". The Centauri use something very similar to the EA design, seen in S2 "The Coming of Shadows". The Emperor uses such a shuttle to go from his battlecruiser over to B5. It looks like an EA design with a spoiler mounted over the top and sides, towards the back. Of course, another shuttle nearly identical to the Centauri config was seen as a Narn transport in "The Gathering", launching that 1-person-breacher pod that the assasin used to get aboard the station.
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Originally posted by karajorma
Sounds pretty cool. Any chance I could convince you to turn that all into a mission by mission breakdown?
It may take me a while to come up with the required number of missions, but while I was out grocery shopping, I came up with a basic rundown of the first mission. It would pick up right after the events of "The Fall of Night". Your wing exits the fighterbay of the G'Tok just after it has completed jumping into normal space through a jumpgate. A few fighterwings from B5 are still with you (I'll have to review the episode to see which ones were ordered to stay with the G'Tok, apart from Zeta wing). Some of the B5 fighters are missing, having been shot down by the Centauri, and of course Zeta 1 is missing, having headed out to investigate the Shadow signature. I'm gonna have it that the G'Tok's jump engines are still down and the fighterbays were dammaged but just now repaired, enought to launch you. B5's fighters have been called home, and Zeta wing has been ordered to track down Zeta 1, so the G'Tok is on her own. They won't be able reactivate the jumpdrive for about 25 minutes, but a transmission recieved from Citizen G'Kar tells of some Narn supply ships that are being vectored to the G'Tok's position. These transports had been en route to rendez vous with the Narn fleet after its attack against Centauri supply lines in "The Long Twilight Struggle", but chose to run instead of surrendering. These transports have materials aboard to expedite the repairs and the reactivation of the jumpdrive, as well as tech crews and more replacement crew members. However, the system they're meeting in prone to raider attacks, and as the 2 transports enter sensor range, they report being under attack by raiders. There are a few Narn fighters escorting the convoy, but they're outnumbered. You have to burn ahead to assist the transports. The G'Tok too limps ahead to meet up with the transports, but at pitifully slow speed. As the transports and G'Tok get closer, a raider carrier jumps in. Only some of the G'Tok's guns are opperational, and that excludes the main cannons. However, once the 2 transports get aboard the G'Tok, components included allow the main beams to come online and waste the raider carrier. Once all raiders are destroyed, the G'Tok reports that its jumpdrives are online and you're ordered to jump out with the G'Tok.
So that's Mission 1. I haven't decided which system to set the mission in.
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Got the PM Trivial. If you don't have a problem with me making the plotline semi-public on the Campaigns forum I'm happy to use it as the plotline for the campaign :)
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Be my guest. I just hope that it can be eventually expanded into the full-fledged campaign I mentioned, once new models and Goob's "Wink-Wink, Nudge-Nudge" gets released/anounced.
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Would you guys be interested about my very unfinished campaing scripts? One is Narn - Centauri War (http://koti.mbnet.fi/fury/tbp/Narn%20-%20Centauri%20War.zip) and the other is Rising Shadows (http://koti.mbnet.fi/fury/tbp/Rising%20Shadows.zip), a Drazi campaign.
Unfortunately I have lost mission overview script of Narn-Centauri War and the detailed script is only written up to mission 5's command briefing. Mission overview script for Rising Shadows is done (I think) but detailed script is only up to mission two.
I think there was someone who was also making a Narn-Centauri War campaign but name escapes me right now. If you're still interested, I can give the script to you.
I wrote those scripts years ago, they aren't anything spectacular and probably full of grammar and spelling errors. I admit those scripts aren't quite good...
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I'll take a look at them of course but I'd probably need a completed script before I could do anything.
TP's mission list is pretty good though :)
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Thanks. :)
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Okay guys. FRED Academy : TBP edition is now open. Head over to the main FA thread (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,29567.0.html) and pick yourselves out a mission.
Please keep the FA posts to the campaigns forum for now (unless TBP staff say otherwise). I'm not a member of TBP so I can't gve you guys permission to start loads of posts on their forum. :)
Remember guys. I'm counting on you to test each others missions too. (Unless we get a flood of mission hungry players heading over to grab them). Take a look at this list of common mistakes (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,29567.0.html) before you start FREDding (or at least before you post the mission) so that you can avoid several of the bigger pitfalls :)
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Been reviewing my B5 DVD's with reference to the Earth Alliance Civil War and have been working a campaign for SCF/OP along those lines.
But since I've dusted of my Old FS2 disks, I would be intrested in learning how to use the FRED to construct a Earth Alliance Civil War from a Starfury's perspective.
Basic Missions would center around the episodes:
"Severed Dreams"
2 Missions
1st Mission -Defence of the Alexander till it reaches the jumpgate.
2nd Mission- The Defence of B5 and the Alexander
"No Surrender, No Retreat"
1 Mission - Liberation of Proxima 3
"Exercise of Vital Powers"
2 Missions perhaps
1st Mission - Liberation of Beta Durani
2nd Mission - Securing a Military Outpost
"Between the Darkness and the Light"
2 Missions perhaps
Mission One - This is for sure, the battle against Clark's Shadow Destroyers.
Mission Two - If I remember there was a brief engagement around Beta 9. I will review the episode and confirm this later.
"Endgame"
Again 2 Missions perhaps
1st Mission? - Engagement of Destroyers not disabled by the telepaths
2nd Mission? - Battle around Earth. Possibly engaging a couple of EA ships loyal to Clark, but this Mission will revolve around the destruction of the Defense Platforms.
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You're a little late to suggest campaigns at the moment cause we've already picked Trivial's campaign for now but if you want to follow the link I gave above and join the Fred Academy's TBP campaign you're more than welcome. :)
Have you looked through the walkthrough that comes with FRED? (It sadly isn't bundled with TBP but you can get it from here (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/karajorma/freespace/Downloads/freddocs.rar) if you haven't seen it already when playing about with Freespace.
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Originally posted by karajorma
Have you looked through the walkthrough that comes with FRED? (It sadly isn't bundled with TBP but you can get it from here (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/karajorma/freespace/Downloads/freddocs.rar) if you haven't seen it already when playing about with Freespace.
It is included.
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would it be a Good idea to do some MP missions too? I think TBP needs them... (or is there some major MP-mission package release planned?)If so, I would like to join too..
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Originally posted by Mr. Fury
It is included.
It is? I took a look in data and there's no Freddocs folder. :wtf:
Doesn't work from FRED for me either.
Originally posted by wolfdog would it be a Good idea to do some MP missions too? I think TBP needs them... (or is there some major MP-mission package release planned?)If so, I would like to join too.. I'd be interested in joining...
Sadly I have no experience with multiplayer so it would be hard for me to advise how to solve the problems that only occur in MP missions. In addition I have trouble enough finding time to test singleplayer missions. As a result FA concentrates on singleplayer missions.
Of course if you can find people to playtest the mission itself and report problems I don't mind helping with suggestions on how to fix them. I'm actually quite interested to see what multiplayer missions can do with the new FS2_Open features cause AFAIK no one is writing multiplayer missions for FS2_Open.
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Originally posted by karajorma
It is? I took a look in data and there's no Freddocs folder. :wtf:
Doesn't work from FRED for me either.
Directory listing from a fresh install.
C:\Program Files\The Babylon Project\data
C:\Program Files\The Babylon Project\data\cache
C:\Program Files\The Babylon Project\data\documentation
C:\Program Files\The Babylon Project\data\freddocs
C:\Program Files\The Babylon Project\data\links
C:\Program Files\The Babylon Project\data\strips
C:\Program Files\The Babylon Project\data\freddocs\Charts_files
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Well, I have quite some experience with fs2 multiplayer, and i've got enough time to test missions... but yes, testing would be a problem since there are only 4 or 5 people who actually play this online, and getting those to play all at the same time would be hard..
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Originally posted by Mr. Fury
Directory listing from a fresh install.
Umm. I've only got Data. I HAD the others when I first installed cause I remember looking at the strips but they're gone now.
I think I'm going to reinstall cause I think that installing 3.1 is to blame.
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I doubt it. The installer only touches the core vp-file and few registry entries. It only deletes the old core vp-file after the patching is done.
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Originally posted by Cmdr_Patterson
Basic Missions would center around the episodes:
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OK, I avoided quoting the entire post to keep things a little less cluttered. I think that some of these are doable, but for now the difficulty is in that the Whitestar is not pilotable, which would make some of the later missions, such as going up aginst the Omega-Xs, a non-possibility right now. Also, in your "Severed Dreams" missions, your second mission is impossible at the moment, since there is no B5 model available in the TBP-Base. Also, the 1st mission in that pair, I'm assuming is supposed to cover the engagment between the Alexander and the Clarkstown at the beginning of the episode. There was no jumpgate present in that engagement.
Now, what I think would be uber-cool, would rather be to create, perhaps a 5 mission campaign, with the pilot being aboard the Alexander. It would begin perhaps with the huge engagement off the Io Transfer point, of which only clips were seen in "Point of No Return". A couple of missions following this would chronicle how some of the ships that broke away with the Clarkstown, were destroyed, as mentioned at the end of "PoNR". The final 2 would involve the Clarkstown engagement, and the big battle at B5. Granted, this would need to wait for the B5 model to be available, but since we see nothing of the Alexander until a brief cameo in "No Surrender, No Retreat", perhaps the Alexander herself deserves a full-length campaign, following her actions in the civil war. The above 5 mission campaign would be a demo for the full-length campaign, that could even include ingagements with the Shadows as part of the multi-species fleet. Now, I know that it was never mentioned that any of the fugitive EA ships participated in these engagements, but there's nothing saying that they didn't either.
Sorry, I kinda hijacked that a bit.
Later!
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So karajorma,
Do you have a tread for TBP campaign or something? Or there is only what it has been said on this topic?
Also, is there a Fred walktrough for the TBP, because its not everyone who have the original freespace, and the fred help, so we only have the B5 ships and everything.... (Edit: forget about that part I found it...)
I used to be not so bad in fredding, but My computer have a problem with fs2; the afterburner doesn't work and it can't be fixed (but it work with TBP) so I gave up...
Also, I tried a bit with that release, I find annoying that I can't alt-tab (in the mission simulator screen) to make my changes and then go back to tbp and restart that mission. I have to exit the game, make the changes and then restart the game... If I do alt-tab, it gives me a program not responding to TBP, its small but annoying when making corrections.
Finally, I've planned a campaign (not all the missions ) for the first liberation of narn (using the ships available), the rise of G'Kar.... That can explain the few ships... but I know its too late and I'm ready to help with the current idea, wich sound good by the way...
So what can I do?
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Basically you want to have a look at this thread (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,28122.0.html). Highlight campaign 5 so you can read the text and choose a mission you like the look of.
About your problems with the afterburner in FS2. You could solve that by downloading FS2_Open 3.6.5 from the SCP forum (In fact you could possibly just copy the needed files from your TBP folder but I'm loath to reccomend it until I know it works) :)
As for the other campaign keep it handy. When this campaign is done I'll get everyone to vote on the next choice and you're more than welcome to submit it then :)
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thanks got it!
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Trivial Psychic , you know there is an EA Civil War campaign coming ?
Over 40 missions
It starts with the assassination of president Santiago and ends after ENDGAME. You will be mostly stationed aboard the Alexander.
So dont mind, your uber-cool stuff is already under heavy construction.
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Hello all, I'm interested about this project and would like to join in, if there's a place open. I used to fool around with FRED in FS2 and made a few multiplayer missions etc. Also made the Hyperion Duel for R1 or R2...can't remember which one.
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I've been somewhat dissappointed with the response so far so if you did join up you'd definately get a lot of attention :)
Sign up here (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,28122.0.html)
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Yeah come on guys. Let's see some decent mini campaigns at least. We bust a gut giving you the tools.
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(grumbles) I would do a TBP mission, but I've already got another two on my plate, but I'll see if I can't jungle 3 at a time.
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i help if i can i do some freding in the past.
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Yes. Join the FA! :D Check the FRED Academy thread.
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Originally posted by tiggeruk
i help if i can i do some freding in the past.
Feel free to check out the link at the top of the page and join up then.
I'm more than happy to take on new FA members.