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Hosted Projects - FS2 Required => Blue Planet => Topic started by: BlasterNT on August 11, 2012, 07:00:42 pm
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Since ubuntu is based upon an educated, pacifist and open population, wouldn't the GTVA have to keep the lockdown on sol indefinitely to prevent its spread by the civilian population?
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There's historical precedent in that respect, at least. Nazi-ism became an outlaw organization after WW2, it's not a stretch of the imagination to say that the GTVA could similarly outlaw Ubuntu as an organization, citing exactly that historical precedent.
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I doubt that would work though.
There was sufficient revulsion to what the Nazi's had done to help reinforce the ban. Not the case with Ubuntu.
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That's not the case in Sol. As far as the rest of the GTVA is concerned, Ubuntu is headed by a fire-breathing infernal monster, and their practitioners eat babies with every meal.
I don't think you quite realize the extent of the information lockdown out of Sol. The GTVA Security Council controls literally every single transit through the node. They can monitor and regulate every single modicum of information to come out of Sol in one way or another. Quite frankly, there has no been a more perfect information bottleneck in history as the GTVA is sitting on right now.
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Oh my lord I just realized how misspelled my topic title is...
But with the dismissal of the lockdown, it's almost inevitable that some GTVA citizens would be willing to learn what a former UEF citizen has to say. It just feels like far too big of a secret to hide for 40+ years.
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Oh my lord I just realized how misspelled my topic title is...
But with the dismissal of the lockdown, it's almost inevitable that some GTVA citizens would be willing to learn what a former UEF citizen has to say. It just feels like far too big of a secret to hide for 40+ years.
Number could be small enough for them to be discounted as radicals and conspiracy nuts.
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One, some of you seem to believe that Ubuntu citizens will magically abandon their culture and beliefs if the GTVA wins, I doubt that and if the GTVA pushes too hard it might end up on a second civil war with Sol. (This has happened countless times in history)
Second, Space is a big place, the UEF could literally send probes at the edge of the solar system and have them transmit records and decoded GTVA transmission about the war, yes it would take centuries for them to reach GTVA space, they could also storm the node with as many fighters as possible and go straight to Delta Serp. and start transmitting, they could also go to other systems and do the same (This is all considering the ships having system drives.)
Third, who says the GTVA will win the war?
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Third, who says the GTVA will win the war?
Considering WiH is the 'final weeks' of the war in Sol, and considering the state of the UEF, I don't see how the UEF could win in that time.
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The Tevs will try to contain Ubuntu in Sol. However, like the devs said multiple times, much like how the UEF wouldn't be able to govern the GTVA territories as it is, the GTVA will have to change, one way or another, after their victory in Sol.
GTVA high command had got 18 months to refine its plans for the aftermath of the war, and I'm pretty sure they know maintaining peace after the victory, both in Sol AND in the GTVA territories, is going to be a huge task ahead.
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There is no way in hell fir the GTVA to completely contain or outlaw ubuntu. Unlike the allies at the end of ww2, the GTVA does not have the manpower to occupy system with a population as large as Sol's.
Also, the basic problem is that the citizens if sol are enjoying a higher standard if living thanks to
Ubuntu, getting them to stop following it is basically impossible.
The only thing the GTVA can do us to discredit the current leadership and install a new one more in line with the GTVA philosophy.
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That's not the case in Sol. As far as the rest of the GTVA is concerned, Ubuntu is headed by a fire-breathing infernal monster, and their practitioners eat babies with every meal.
I don't think you quite realize the extent of the information lockdown out of Sol. The GTVA Security Council controls literally every single transit through the node. They can monitor and regulate every single modicum of information to come out of Sol in one way or another. Quite frankly, there has no been a more perfect information bottleneck in history as the GTVA is sitting on right now.
You and I are coming at this from different directions. I was referring to Sol itself in the comparison with Germany. German culture itself turned away from nazism in revulsion, which probably went a long way to getting rid of it.
Would that be the case in Sol? Would Sol's citizens just turn away from Ubuntu?
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No. Because Ubuntu has been very good overall for Sol's population. Trying to get them to no longer follow it is like the US trying to get Europe and Canada to abandon public health care. It's just not going to happen.
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Exactly
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It would be quite ironic, if the GTVA wins the war, but failied in containing Ubuntu and after the war this way of live spreads throughout the GTVA and slowly all of mankind become followers of Ubuntu, untill the GTVA is dissolved and replaced by a massive mirror of the old UEF (wich some small adjustments to compensate for being out in the wide universe).
Even more ironic, if the Shivans wouldn't invade again extactly because of this change.
I know, that's not going to happen, but it would have a certain peotic justice to it.... and it'd be hilarious.
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Failing to contain Ubuntu after a GTVA military victory is the general theme I favour.
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I keep on reading everyones views on if/how the GTVA will smash Ubuntu, and I can't stop my mind from picturing a Fenris going beam-free-all on a PC.
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Brainwashing/psychological reprogramming. It's how I'd do it.
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Lots of guns and a veeeeeeery long wall.
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I keep on reading everyones views on if/how the GTVA will smash Ubuntu, and I can't stop my mind from picturing a Fenris going beam-free-all on a PC.
Well then at least the UEF would have Tux as another martyr to rally behind. Though with a Fenris taking the shot I'd say he's got 50/50 chance of tanking the hit anyways.
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It would be quite ironic, if the GTVA wins the war, but failied in containing Ubuntu and after the war this way of live spreads throughout the GTVA and slowly all of mankind become followers of Ubuntu, untill the GTVA is dissolved and replaced by a massive mirror of the old UEF (wich some small adjustments to compensate for being out in the wide universe).
Even more ironic, if the Shivans wouldn't invade again extactly because of this change.
I know, that's not going to happen, but it would have a certain peotic justice to it.... and it'd be hilarious.
Heh, well if the shivians as the galaxy's immune system theory is to be believed, the UEF-GTVA war could actually be the thing that starts a third incursion.
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No ****.
Say, how many months after the NTF rebellion started did the Shivans show up? 18 you say?
Say, how many months has it been since the fighting in Sol started? 18 you say?
Coincidence, much?
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Yes, coincidence, because Bosch was deliberately trying to initiate contact with the Shivans. The UEF might very well be trying to do that as the Secret Project, but I doubt it, if only because, as you just so handily mentioned, that's exactly how the main campaign of FS2 happens.
Also: How many years after the T-V War started did the Shivans show up? 14 you say?
Two points is a coincidence. Three is a pattern. You don't have three points.
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Also I suspect the UEF would have better luck contacting the Vishans, than the Shivans, but potential Vishan intervention is a point that has been debated to death already
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How could the GTVA feasibly repress Ubuntu after an UEF surrender?
Force everyone to install Windows? ;7
*Runs*
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I though the team made it clear that GTVA isn't evil, they just have a conflict of interests with UEF.
Unless they put a certain red cat and his pet "preventer of informational services" in charge of suppressing Ubuntu, then all bets are off. :)
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What do you mean? The entire reason for going to war was to end Ubuntu, while minimizing its spread
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You didn't get the joke, didn't you?
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Uh. Well I was thinking some vague thing about bsd but... Yeah drawing a blank
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Catbert, the evil director of Human Resources (http://search.dilbert.com/search?p=Q&lbc=dilbert&uid=434897845&ts=custom&w=catbert&af=&method=and&view=list&filter=type%3acomic&isort=date+rev)
Mordac, the preventer of informational services (http://search.dilbert.com/search?p=Q&lbc=dilbert&uid=434897845&ts=custom&w=mordac&af=&method=and&view=list&filter=type%3acomic&isort=date+rev)
You need to read more Dilbert.* :)
*If you still don't think this makes sense, look at later strips, especially Mordac was a bit different in his early incarnation.
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Dragon, you do realize that the company Dilbert works for is utterly ineffective, right?
Also, I think everything has been said here.