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Archived Boards => The Archive => Terran-Vasudan War => Topic started by: Stealth on October 18, 2002, 03:35:10 pm
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sorry to ask n00b questions, but if this is before FS1, then the only ships you'll have are the Apollo for Terran, right? and the ML-16 laser... and no shields, etc. so isn't it going to be very boring? or are you going to MOD different ships? regardless they can't have shields, and the weapons will have to suck
is it for FS2 or FS1?
let me know
Thanks
~Stealth
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Originally posted by Stealth
sorry to ask n00b questions, but if this is before FS1, then the only ships you'll have are the Apollo for Terran, right? and the ML-16 laser... and no shields, etc. so isn't it going to be very boring? or are you going to MOD different ships? regardless they can't have shields, and the weapons will have to suck
is it for FS2 or FS1?
let me know
Thanks
~Stealth
Methinks you can consider weapons as 'scaleable' against ships...i.e. you'd have old (say ML-5) laser, but they'd be effective against the older Vasudan types, yet lesseffective against the newer ships.
Methinks you may need to have a few pre/sub Anubis ships for the vasudans, though..........
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This is for fs2.
The weapons will actually be more powerful than the ML-16, but never in the same mission with an ML-16. This is to cause the effect that the ships hulls aren't very strong. This way it is more exciting.
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Or we could do some serious table overhauls, but thats Hades call. And there should be all sorts of new(or old:confused: ) ships to play with. Allthough it may never comeout as we can't decide what to call things:nod:
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you could make the ML-16 like the Kayser of the day by just making it stronger..
or not
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Heck, keep the tables as they are, and give the new weapons lower damage and make the hulls weaker. The actual numbers don't matter that much, it's all relative.
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Actually, the MOD is pretty well balanced how it is. Only problem is the Anubis. The Terrans are wiping it out. I have decided to use Seth class heavy fighters. Not sure whether Horus intercepters were around though.
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You can't just replace it, but Maybe we could use that as a bit of history. Any ideas on how we could fix it so it is tougher or explainable?
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I think the Horus was around. As for the Anubis, it was always pretty weak, even the tech room says that much. My explination is that the Vasudans prefered to use huge numbers of weak fighters instead of a few strong ones. Of course, they're fast little buggers, so that makes them that much harder to kill.
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I didn't mean replace the Anubis with the Seth. I meant the Vasudans won't be using nothing but Anubis'. Also, as far as bombers go, which was created first, the Osiris or Amun?
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The Osiris was intended to replace the Amun.
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Good, keep coming up with the Vasudan ships. I'll need those eventually to for the ship guide I'm writing.
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So, we'll have the Amun in the early stages, like around the Vega Engagement, and the Osiris later on.
Also, I'm getting a Vasudan warship from Woomeister. It is a little smaller than a Typhon.
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I have an un textured destroyer. It looks mighty cool though.
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I just got anotehr finished .pof from Woomeister. A Vasudan destroyer.
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hmmmm as far as i know the only ships around were the Horus interceptors, the Seth heavy assualt fighters, and the Anubis class fighters (which had no afterburner, one primary bank, and no secondary... (i don't think))
Terran only had the ML-16, and the MX-50. The only ship they had was the Apollo space superiority... HOWEVER... at the beginning (after the second or third mission) they say the *something* interceptor has been completely revamped, and is now called the Valkyrie, and it's then introduced. in this case, they imply, if not state, that a ship SIMILAR to the valkyrie was present before it was introduced. i think they said it has bigger secondary banks, and a faster top spee.d... so by simply renaming the Valkyrie, changing its banks, and changing its speed, you can make the old version :D
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Umm, no. We can do almost anything for the TVWar. There are 14 years. And fs1 mentions nothing except the Angel ( Scout fighter, predecessor to Valkyrie ) which we have. The Angel has one primary and one secondary bank.
Both Vasudan bombers are present, as well as the Anubis, Seth, and Horus. The Anubis does have a secondary bank.
As for the Terrans, we do need a bomber. I'm currently using the Athena, but this will only be plausible late in the war. As for the unification War. We haveno fighters to use.
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The unification war only has two ships, the Mustang Alpha and Beta. Alpha is a fighter, and Beta is the bomber. As history progresses, we have more fighters being created. but that's after the unification war. so for it, we actually need less ships, and there all terran, (save maybe for the last mission. Doesn't anybody read what I write?;)
What about the GTB Inferno? Don't we have that? And the Bomber versiom of the apollo? When do we get that? I don't think we're to hurting for ships
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I haven't put in the Inferno yet. And the Apollo bomber version, we really need that.
As for the Mustang Alpha and the Mustang Beta. We still need those.
How many factions do we have? Three or four? And two player flyable ships? If this campaign is over ten missions, those are going to get old. Maybe we could have the Angel as the newest, most technologically advanced fighter created by mankind. Then watch them get mothball later in the TVWar.
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Here, read this. the UW is only about 7. and the actual war takes place over the course of 5. the last one or two take place later and should probably be Apollo A's. But no, we don't need to many ships for it. We do need something bigger than the Leo, but smaller than Orion. And by pure coincidence, one of the ships is your beloved Armstrong. I was going to blow it away in a spectacular fashion, but maybe I'll switch the ships around. And there are 4 factions, one bad, one miniscule good, and two good.
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GTI Neil Armstrong isn't a new ship. It is an Achilles class ( repair station ).
And we do need a ship that's larger than a Leo, but smaller and Orion. Ask aldo how the Reliant i coming.
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the Angel... i knew it was some kind of interceptor that came before the Valkyrie...
at the beginning (after the second or third mission) they say the *something* interceptor has been completely revamped, and is now called the Valkyrie, and it's then introduced. in this case, they imply, if not state, that a ship SIMILAR to the valkyrie was present before it was introduced. i think they said it has bigger secondary banks, and a faster top spee.d...
see? i was exactly right :D
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Stealth: Methinks you can consider weapons as 'scaleable' against ships...i.e. you'd have old (say ML-5) laser, but they'd be effective against the older Vasudan types, yet lesseffective against the newer ships.
Knight Templar: you could make the ML-16 like the Kayser of the day by just making it stronger..
Galactic Emperor: Heck, keep the tables as they are, and give the new weapons lower damage and make the hulls weaker. The actual numbers don't matter that much, it's all relative.
I agree with all this. Would it be possible to reset all the hull strengths so that the ML-16 is the equivalent of the Kayser and all the hull strengths are downgraded to match?
If you guys want, I'll have a look on how to scale down all the hulls and weapon strengths proportionately. Probably there's a good statistical method somewhere. I'll look around.
Hmm... I wonder if CP5670 would be interested in this... :drevil:
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Okay, the ML-16 Laser is the standard weapon throughout the war. Other weapons were created that were cheaper, faster, or otherwise better then the ML-16, but the ML-16 always comes out on top. The Main weapon throughout the beginning of the War is the Flux. The Main weapon in the UW is the Phalanx heavy machine gun.
Correction: The ML-16 was created in 2328
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Originally posted by Hades
Other weapons were created that were cheaper, faster, or otherwise better then the ML-16, but the ML-16 always comes out on top.
:wtf: Say that again?
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Other weapons were better for some reason, but the ML-16 was always better for more reasons. I.E-High refire rate, high velocity, high damage. The Flux is pretty close to the ML-16 in every aspect, but it just isn't AS good.
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But the ML-16 didn't exist for the better part of the war.
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Yeah, you're correct. How about the Flux being the predecessor, and before that we had the Phalanx.
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How 'bout SLs? They had to be around at some point, though probably early in the war, when MLs would be cruiser-level and HLs would be the MDWs of space, available only to giant mobile power plants of ships...
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What do SL, ML, and HL stand for?
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Small laser, Medium laser, and Hyperlaser. Though I always thought that ML-16 stood for Machine Laser, 16 caliber.
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I'm pretty sure it'd be LL, ML and HL - Light, Medium and Heavy.
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Shrike, did you get my PM? I need moderator permissions for the T-V War forums. I gotta be able to post attachments. Hades gave the OK.
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True. But SL sounds better, and that's what really matters.
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If it helps Shrike. I DID give the okay, in case ( For some reason ) you don't believe Goober5000.
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so how's the progress coming/starting?
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Good,we just need to put up a full release version, sometime soon so the staff can get at it. Hades, how is the hosting process going. You should surely be able to put things up on the site by now.
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I guess it doesn't hurt to ask. I just finished some of the briefing icons. This is about half of the ones that are going to be done. None of the wings are done yet. Just single ships. Fighter Wing and Bomber Wing are there, but they are screwed up. Cruiser wing, and big ship wing aren't there yet. Knossos won't be messed with, and Superdestroyer will have the icon for a carrier.
Beware the Orion!. It is a pretty big icon. It gives the impression that it is taking up the entire battlefield. This is true in the TVWar, as the Orion was huge. Dwarfing everything else on the battlefield. Same thing with the Typhon.
Download it here (http://www.geocities.com/hades6189/BetaInterface.zip).
Or if it doesn't work, try here (http://us.share.geocities.com/Hades6189/BetaInterface.zip).
If none of them work, cut and paste the shortcut for the first one.
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Originally posted by aldo_14
Methinks you may need to have a few pre/sub Anubis ships for the vasudans, though..........
You mean something EVEN MORE weak than the Anubis is actually possible?
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remember Anubis fighters weren't really meant for dogfights... if you read the "techroom" in FS1 (which i recommend everyone involved in this campaign to do) you'll see that the Anubis was invented to be used in many numbers against an enemy, thus making it hard to avoid (imagine going against 10 anubises... very hard)...
also they were as even better sentries, since at the invention of the anubises, the sentry guns became much less used.
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And they were in use since at least 2323 - probably even before that - since they were used to destroy the GTD Goliath. I imagine we'll see plenty of Anubises throughout the campaign.
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i didn't know they used Anubises to destroy a destroyer! Awesome!
That must've taken like 50 of them pounding the destroyer for like 15 minutes! lol :lol: :cool:
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Mebbe - or maybe they had extra warheads on board. Or maybe it was a Reliant class destroyer instead of an Orion - they're smaller and have less hull strength. :cool:
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Goliath was destroyed by Kamikaze Anubis pilots. Probably took them all of five minutes.
Ever played "Tenderizer"?
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Whoops, yeah - I forgot to specify kamikaze. Thanks, Hades. :cool:
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Also, you remember the Barracuda? Well that was in use since the start of the TVWar.
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If you say so. It seems to me to be a good bomb to use since the Tsunami wasn't developed until the Shivans arrived.
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Originally posted by Goober5000
:wtf: Say that again?
:WTF: Is right thats a lame excuce
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I meant his phrasing was unclear. Not that it was a bad excuse; it made sense once he explained it.