[Zacam]

Yeah. Knossos++ is the new IDE environment that warps the code on to your HDD when you want to compile it, but otherwise it's elsewhere when you're not.

[Stormkeeper]

[Bobboau]

wow, you found the nurbs button...

[Aardwolf]

 

* Aardwolf  is not using NURBS

[Commander Zane]

NURBS?

[Colonol Dekker]

Non uniformed Rotation B-Splines?

Or am i completely wrong

[Vasudan Admiral]

They smooth stuff basically.

[Tomo]

NURBS are a different way of rendering, instead of using polygons.
They're basically 3D Splines.

They make it very hard to have straight edges, but everything is nicely curved.

(Except they're always converted to polygons by current render hardware)

[Aardwolf]

Non-Uniform Rational B-Splines, and that's irrelevant anyway. I've been doing the curves by eye, although I reckon I will need to go back and check without texturing before I proceed to work on the greebles.

[Bobboau]

point being it looks like you did nothing but hit the 'make everything s smooth' button, there is no additional detail, in fact it's hard to tell the difference between the new model and the old one.

[sigtau]

I suggest we wait for greebles before we make a final judgement.

[Aardwolf]

I suggest we wait for greebles before we make a final judgement.

Yeah, I haven't gotten to it yet.

[Asteroth]

I think people need to keep in mind that this is a work in progress. Aardwolf has stated several times that he's starting with the smoothing, then adding details, make your judgment when you see the final product.

Anyway, it the smoothing looks really nice, and I can't wait to see how it'll turn out.

[Bobboau]

yeah, he should start with adding detail, not smoothing, because all he'll get that way is an undiferentited blob

[Aardwolf]

Bull****.

See Galemp for an explanation.

[Raven2001]

Both techniques are valid. However, you shouldn't be posting pics when the progress of the model is like that... It just doesn't give any kind of idea of what you are doing.

[Kolgena]

yeah, he should start with adding detail, not smoothing, because all he'll get that way is an undiferentited blob

I recall an incident with the Dragon where the artist greebled the fighter without smoothing out the base model. Now he pretty much can't go back and fix it.

[esarai]

Kolgena hit this one on the head.  When HTLing a pre-existing model, I learned the hard way with Dragon that it's better to start with the largest geometry first--ie smoothing and detailing the main hull.  After that you can move on to the greebles. 

Think of it like growing a plant--you need land before you can get anywhere.

Make the land, then grow the greebles.

[Raven2001]

That's not the issue here I believe. That "smoothing" you are talking about is not actual smootheness but geometry cleanness, and silhuette work.

Here that just isn't happening. The silhuette hasn't improved (fin and neck for instance), the geometry isn't workable (bad edge loops, lots of tris). The "fins" aren't connected in a believable way, and again, the silhuette hasn't improved.

That's the issue I see.

[Kolgena]

To be fair, he hasn't had a chance to do much with the model... like, at all. Wait for the greebles, since those are what are going to change the silhouette.