[TopAce]

Grunt minion22 edited the descriptive statistics for some Shivan fighters (Maneuverability and Armor). He said he had a source, but he wasn't specific about it. Previously, they were just "N/A", as they should be according to the retail tables. Whatever he found there must be something fan-made. We have a couple of strange things here: Allegedly, the Aeshma's maneuverability is "Excellent" and the Nephilim's armor is "Light Capital".

Does anyone know where these pieces of info come from?

[Qent]

No idea, but I tried it, and he's right. With just a single TBM (no MediaVPs) allowing me to fly a Seraphim, I can see those descriptions. Who woulda' thought....

EDIT: Here's the relevant shp.tbm:

Code: [Select]

#Ship Classes
$Name: SB Seraphim
;; Note no descriptions here.
$Allowed PBanks: ( "Subach HL-7" )
$Default PBanks: ( "Subach HL-7" "Subach HL-7" "Subach HL-7" )
$Allowed SBanks: ( "Rockeye" "Tempest" )
$Default SBanks: ( "Tempest" "Tempest" "Rockeye" "Rockeye" )
$SBank Capacity: ( 40, 40, 80, 80 )
$Flags: ( "player_ship" "bomber" )
#End

EDIT2: I believe it's hard-coded. In missionshipchoice.cpp circa line 1070 you can find some of those strings.

[Droid803]

But...the Aeshma having "Excellent" maneuverability is just...WRONG.

[SypheDMar]

I suppose those stats don't have to correspond to in-game stats. I hear that's similar for the Prometheus S, right?
 
EDIT: After reading it again, You probably knew this already, though.

[Qent]

Actually in this case, they do correspond to in-game stats, but they use a different scale from Terran and Vasudan craft (which have proper descriptions).

[Snail]

Who committed this (atrocity)?


I'm guessing this was put in as placeholder text for ships without anything in the statistics fields...?

[Sushi]

Is the Aeshma actually good for anything? At all? Besides being cannon fodder?

[Snail]

Is the Aeshma actually good for anything? At all? Besides being cannon fodder?

It'd be good as a cargo container if it could dock with freighters.

[TopAce]

But...the Aeshma having "Excellent" maneuverability is just...WRONG.

For reference, its $Rotation time is 3.3, 3.3, 3.7. That's not bad, but I wouldn't call that "Excellent," given that the Perseus has 3.3, 3.3, 3.3 and its maneuverability is only "High".

[Woolie Wool]

The Basilisk, at least would be deadly with a human pilot flying it. The AI just doesn't know how to fly a Basilisk at all.

[Kosh]

The Basilisk, at least would be deadly with a human pilot flying it. The AI just doesn't know how to fly a Basilisk at all.

Well the Basilisk is slow and unmanueverable, even in the hands of a human pilot it is still cannon fodder for space superiority fighters and to some degree intercepters because it is too easily outmanuevered. They are hoowever major threats to freighter and cruisers, I suppose it could be thought of as the shivan equivelent of the Aries.

[NGTM-1R]

Is the Aeshma actually good for anything? At all? Besides being cannon fodder?

In a head-to-head fight Aeshmas are fairly competent. The Shivans have a known problem with assuming a single pass will be enough.

[Aardwolf]

Aeshma is basically a lighter version of the Basilisk, isn't it? Assault, swarm missiles, etc....

[Commander Zane]

to some degree intercepters

When a Perseus can easily take down six Basilisks in a single pass if you do it right?

[Thaeris]

The Perseus is really more of a space superiority fighter, though...

   ...However, that's still a good point! 

[Yuuz]

When they appeared in FS1 I thought of the Basilisk as being the Shivans Herc. Pretty much everything they had was the alternate version of what we had, but a bit better, more dangerous, and more specialized at what it did. The Basilisk AI can be taken down super easy by the player in any fighter, but get behind the squad and start firing, but you, or any bomber or cruiser are caught in front you will get mincemeated.

I do not see the Nep having light capship armor.

The Seraphim? Definitely. It takes almost as many hits as a cain class cruiser...

[Kosh]

to some degree intercepters

When a Perseus can easily take down six Basilisks in a single pass if you do it right?

I was reffering to afterburners with guns, namely the Serapis and the Horus. 

[Snail]

Can anyone verify if the SCP really did add this "feature" before I revert the changes?

[Droid803]

I do not see the Nep having light capship armor.

The Seraphim? Definitely. It takes almost as many hits as a cain class cruiser...

The Nephilim and Seraphim have the exact same armor/shield stats

[Snail]

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