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Voice Acting / Re: More tips for aspiring actors
« Last post by Colonol Dekker on April 06, 2024, 08:17:34 am »
They're all top tips.

Acting tips...hmmm...  use reference, watch a variety of relevant to the character role material.    Is your character an ace pilot?  Check out real fighter chatter clips on YouTube, is he an evil black ops commander?  Look for clips of evil genius bond villains or that one guy from inglorious bastar*s ;D


And practice practice practice, listen back to yourself and identify where you think you need to hone anything, pacing, inflection, volume and mood, accent etc.
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Between the Ashes / Re: Release: Between The Ashes [UPDATED 5th of April 2024]
« Last post by mjn.mixael on April 05, 2024, 08:56:17 pm »
Updated to 1.9.7

  • Fix some model & image clipping issues in the System Map
  • Update the Midwinter diorama to show the new Adonis model instead of the old
  • Enhance some of the newsroom images
  • Normalize briefing & debriefing voice audio to be louder
  • Fix mislabeled fighters in the 4th mission of Templar
  • Fix formatting typo in Tsunami tech description
  • Add the final BtA2 trailer to the bonus pack
  • Fix typos in the tutorial opening fiction stage
  • Unlock the GTVA intel entry at the start of Templar instead of at the end
  • Implement feature to properly name GTVA intel entry and get around FSO's name length limit
  • Remove buggy toggle-asteroid sexps and replace with full set-asteroid-field sexps
  • Add some additional color keywords and remove some superfluous ones
  • Medals.tbl now explicitly looks for png files instead of pcx to fix an issue for Standalone version
  • Clean up formatting of the fiction viewer stage before The Will To Act mission
  • Fix issue where multiple charges would be deployed for a single keypress in The Will To Act
  • Make sure all missions don't authorize departure too early
  • Fix issue in Acts of Volition that caused major framerate dips
  • Fix edge-case softlock in Hammer's Edict
  • Use new Orion model in cb_orionflak animation
  • Add some missing SFX for standalone version
  • Rebalance torpedoes in Going Out With A Bang
  • Fix major issue that prevented Post-Debriefing cutscenes from being played
  • Major improvement to SCPUI generated ship and weapon select icons allowing for highlighted versions when clicked
  • Limit the the input field when creating a pilot to the same length as FSO allows
  • When a player is selected they are now forced into Single Player mode because BtA does not support Multi
  • Remove hashtags from weapon Alt Names so they aren't visible on the HUD
  • Normalize briefing and debriefing music to be slightly quieter than other music
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Voice Acting / Re: More tips for aspiring actors
« Last post by jg18 on April 05, 2024, 08:39:42 pm »
:bump:

Added a couple more tips to the "Acting" and "Recording" sections, based on my experiences from some recent VA work. (Yes, I still VA for mods these days. :D)
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Wing Commander Saga / Re: Kilrathi Death Message bug
« Last post by CT27 on April 05, 2024, 06:06:14 pm »
I tested the 0.9.64 version of Core from the FSNebula WCSaga page, and this time my family's computer didn't ring up a virus/trojan when it downloaded (whereas for some reason the 0.9.63 Core did).  In a few days or so, I'll try downloading and installing all 0.9.64 WCSaga files from FSNebula and see if that changes things.
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There's a big difference between chopping up existing files and recreating the voice. Voice artists and actors all over have come out strongly against AI being used to generate their performances without permission. You can find dozens of articles like this one with a simple google search. Are Robert Loggia or his estate okay with you recreating his voice? If you don't have permission, it's morally questionable and ethically low.

There's almost 8 billion people living on this planet. Surely it'd be easier, better quality, and more above board to get one of them to bring your new Admiral Petrarch to life.
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Wing Commander Saga / Re: Kilrathi Death Message bug
« Last post by Goober5000 on April 04, 2024, 06:34:20 pm »
Try using Knossos.NET to update to 0.9.64, and add a whitelist exception on your antivirus for the core files.
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I enjoyed reading this.

To be fair the rest of us sounded like some grumpy elders right there (myself included) :D

Morally and legally I don't see it as fundamentally different from what we've already been doing.
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I don't see why voice work is meaningfully different.  It's not like we're going to pay any of the original VAs to do it if we can't do it with AI, nor pay anyone else.  There's no material loss.

I think you are drawing a false equivalency here.

An actor's/talent's voice or likeness are not a comparable piece of intellectual property as they have an existence divorced from the fiction context they are embedded in. An actor/talent continues to be a person even if they stepped out of the recording booth/off the stage/leave the set. And that personhood is inseparably linked to their voice (both in the literal and metaphorical sense) and likeness as identifiable external characteristics.

While we are talking about professional actors/talents there is a case to be made about the commodification of this aspect of their personhood being consensual. However making that argument in full also means to acknowledge that said consent is conditional on remuneration. No payment, no consent, no commodity to be bought or sold.

Additionally, it would negligent not to consider that even with professional actors who take pay-check jobs as their livelihood, the pattern of payment = performance is not that simple.
There a good number of performances that only exist because circumstances align: the right director, the right script, the right moment in time, the right stage in their career etc. etc. pp. As a result some performances would not exist to be used as training data but for a house of cards of circumstance which made the actor/talent consent.



Furthermore, there is another point were your argument is lacking.
Your argument rests on the fact that the activity of this community, creating derivative works by reusing story concepts, 3D models, music etc. has been non-consensual from the start.

But it has not. Take a look at this section of the FS2 EULA (link to the wiki):
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You [the owner of a copy of FS2] are granted a revocable, nonassignable limited license to create derivative works of this Software solely for your own personal noncommercial home entertainment use and may publicly display such derivative works to the extent specifically authorized by Interplay in writing. [Details on how to look up the specifics of that policy at the date of original printing follow]

By owning a copy of the game, each community member that owns the game, has been granted conditional consent to create derivate works and "display" them (i.e. share them). This is further reinforced by the fact that FRED exists in the retail versions of the games and its use is encouraged by providing a tutorial.

Said consent is conditional, but the condition is simply to that no money is being made from the derivative works as commodeties. Which is a condition easy enough to meet if you have desire for it.

Likenesses that are inseparably linked to people are frequently used in fan works.  If someone's drawing art about Star Wars they might use Luke Hamill or Harrison Ford's face.  If someone were selling that art professionally they'd have to pay the individuals involved or whatever rights holders.

Does "the Software" encompass everything in the game?  You seem to be suggesting it covers story, animations, models etc.  Because any voices we made would be a derivative work from what was in the game, for non-commercial use.

I've got a vague memory of a mission someone did ages ago, I think it was a version of the opening FreeSpace cutscene with Lt. Ash.  Whoever made it had taken dialogue from the game and cut it up so the characters were saying different things.  It was nothing massively ambitious, it might have been editing together a few lines from Command to create new lines.  Supposing it existed as I remember it, should whoever made it have contacted the voice actor for Command and offered them money?  How is it different from what's done with an AI model except in terms of sophistication?

What if a person did a dead on impersonation of Robert Loggia, would that be permissible in a campaign?

There was someone on here creating 3D models of FreeSpace ships and selling them (I think at cost price, but they were still selling them).  Nobody had a problem with that.  That's not authorised in the EULA.

This isn't to say there aren't a lot of legitimate concerns about using people's voices.  It's going to have a devastating effect on jobs in the voice acting industry, there's a big risk of fake news, voice recordings are going to be rendered completely unreliable.  I just don't see their use in a free fan campaign that's obviously fictional and that a few hundred people are going to play for nothing as anything to be concerned about.
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In popular media we see characters recast all the time and it's no big deal. I'd much prefer if someone really wanted Admiral Petrarch to be voiced in their new FS game that they just find a new voice artist. A good one could even try to approximate the voice well enough (see Red Skull in Avengers Endgame).
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This sums it up.

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There's a big difference between creating a cover for a beach boys song and creating a simulated version of the beach boys to make songs.
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