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Offline Sandwich

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Reply #20 on: September 15, 2003, 05:22:06 pm
It's actually not that hard to lower the polycount on a model, once one gets past the realization that you are going to lose some detail. It's just a matter of finding out what detail can afford to be lost first.

Heck, if that MonCal model is in a .MAX file, I wouldn't mind trying my hand at lowering the polycount. ;)
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Reply #21 on: September 15, 2003, 07:24:15 pm
And couldnt you use the high poly models for cbanims and what not?
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Reply #22 on: September 16, 2003, 01:08:28 am
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And couldnt you use the high poly models for cbanims and what not?



Ooh, that's a great idea! Provide some basic generic cbanims for all the ships in the MOD. One would be a general flyby of a capital ship (with the requisite fighters zooming by in the foreground), and another could be a capital ship zipping in from hyperspace and launching fighter wings. They wouldn't need to be big, nor terrribly varied between them - just swap out the main ship, mess with the camera paths a bit, and render a completely different scene.

I like this idea. :D
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Reply #23 on: September 16, 2003, 04:23:35 am
btw iirc from what challenger said, haegemonia uses an autolod system
actually I have no idea about how a game engine can modify a mesh in order to generate lods without wasting too resources, but this explain why it is possible to put such hi pcount ships in game (althought I consider them a bit inefficent)
Btw you can put those model (at least the models of small ships) in fs2 too, just work with lods: put the hipoly mesh as lod0 with a very close visible range (so you see it only in external view or flying very close) and make normal lods for all the other situations. Obviously this doesn't mean I'm going to do it:)
 

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Reply #24 on: September 16, 2003, 11:49:47 am
more or less it's an AUTO LOD. from what I heard from the guys of Digital Reality, the game engine checks which models are in the tech tree and loads all of them, processing them to some kind of LOD mesh (you can define your own LOD's as well, thats not the problem). Planets, map objects etc are always loaded, no matter what.

@Sandwich: good luck then, finding all the stray vertices and lowering the detail.. ;)
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Reply #25 on: September 16, 2003, 03:00:53 pm
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@Sandwich: good luck then, finding all the stray vertices and lowering the detail.. ;)


Linky? ;)
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Reply #26 on: September 18, 2003, 01:38:50 pm
no linky. just hand-to-hand deal ;)
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Reply #27 on: September 18, 2003, 04:37:17 pm
just hand-to-staff, right? :)
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Reply #28 on: September 20, 2003, 07:10:29 am
:nervous: *thinks he missed something*
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Reply #29 on: September 20, 2003, 09:37:37 am
who? me?
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Reply #30 on: September 21, 2003, 01:51:37 am
I totally forgot about tech room animations, I deleted a crap ton of high ploy models cause I figured I'd never get to use them, so why tie up the space? They would have ben perfect for non combat stuff! Oh well...
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Reply #31 on: September 21, 2003, 02:29:41 pm
How do you want to give a different ship model in the tech room that the game is using? An FS_open stuff?
Or a table doubling?

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Reply #32 on: September 21, 2003, 05:01:53 pm
As far as i know you cant, all i meant about the high poly models was for animations and stuff, you cant use them for much else
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Reply #33 on: September 22, 2003, 02:50:25 pm
ohhh ... animations = cutscenes?
forgotten about them. :)
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Reply #34 on: September 26, 2003, 08:21:13 am
well... polys aren't the problem anymore...
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Reply #35 on: September 27, 2003, 07:45:03 am
so will we use this MC80 as our own?
if yes, give the Austrian(not Australian ;)) guy an avatar!
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Reply #36 on: September 27, 2003, 08:34:21 am
avatar detection system isn't working for Sw yet... :hopping:
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Reply #37 on: September 27, 2003, 10:35:31 am
Are you gonna use Fs2_open for this MOD? The ISD would look great with shine maps.
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Reply #38 on: September 27, 2003, 10:39:34 am
It is up to Mr. Project Leaders, like KARMA, GE and Black Wolf.
If you ask me, surely.
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Reply #39 on: September 27, 2003, 10:43:54 am
i belive we are using the surface shield idea from the person who coded their own tree...
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