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Only some models seem upgraded?
Hello friends, sorry in advance if I break any rules. I used to spend a lot of time here under a different username I can't remember, but I couldn't figure out my old account. Anyways I downloaded the Knossos launcher and was really impressed with how easy it was to use! I downloaded the Freespace 2 Upgrade Project \ MediaVPs, enabled all the VPs, and booted the game up.

Some ships looked incredible! The Ulysses for example is wildly overhauled, and matches the model shown in the Wiki, the GVD Hatshepsut looks wild and bristling with lights and slick textures. The Loki, Hercules, and Myrmidon all look pretty much the same as their  retail selves however. It seems to be a totally mixed bag, and it's VERY noticeable just going through the tech room, versus looking at the models showcased wiki. Is this a fair comparison, or are a lot of the FSO models featured in the wiki custom skin jobs that aren't supposed to be a part of the out-of-the-box experience for the Upgrade Project?

I really appreciate any guidance people can give me towards figuring out if I have a configuration issue or if I'm simply not working off good reference material. Thank you!

 

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Re: Only some models seem upgraded?
Hi and welcome back. c:
The loki and herc should be upgraded, the myrmidon is still missing its upgrade I think. It sounds like that you are missing files for some reason.
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Re: Only some models seem upgraded?
Did the install through Knossos. I also attempted to verify the integrity of the files and it passed 14 for 14. Is there a better way to verify? Or a way to manually drop the files into  a Knossos install?

 

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Re: Only some models seem upgraded?
The modernity, complexity and degree of difference between the original and upgraded models varies considerably ship to ship. The Herc and Loki look quite similar in their upgraded form to their original form, until you look closely. What's something that will only bring the most recent MediaVPs that's changed a lot since retail... Mentu maybe? Arcadia? Also, maybe post a picture of a couple of ships that aren't upgraded vs a couple that are?
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Re: Only some models seem upgraded?
Are you not seeing modeled cockpits with little guys on the Herc/Loki? If you're not seeing those something's wrong.

The modernity, complexity and degree of difference between the original and upgraded models varies considerably ship to ship. The Herc and Loki look quite similar in their upgraded form to their original form, until you look closely. What's something that will only bring the most recent MediaVPs that's changed a lot since retail... Mentu maybe? Arcadia? Also, maybe post a picture of a couple of ships that aren't upgraded vs a couple that are?

Nah this ain't it, the Herc and Loki look wildly better in their upgraded forms even at a glance. There's absolutely no mistaking the two.

But yes, definitely post pics.

 

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Re: Only some models seem upgraded?
Are you not seeing modeled cockpits with little guys on the Herc/Loki? If you're not seeing those something's wrong.

The modernity, complexity and degree of difference between the original and upgraded models varies considerably ship to ship. The Herc and Loki look quite similar in their upgraded form to their original form, until you look closely. What's something that will only bring the most recent MediaVPs that's changed a lot since retail... Mentu maybe? Arcadia? Also, maybe post a picture of a couple of ships that aren't upgraded vs a couple that are?

Nah this ain't it, the Herc and Loki look wildly better in their upgraded forms even at a glance. There's absolutely no mistaking the two.

But yes, definitely post pics.

That's only true if you are very familiar with the retail versions like most of us vets are. New players or others who haven't played for years may very easily mistake the two if they aren't paying attention.
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Re: Only some models seem upgraded?
I can only think of two models that haven't had any completed upgrades at all... The Demon and the Argo.
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Re: Only some models seem upgraded?
SO I fired it back up again this evening, and I got a bunch of errors and the game would only launch if I hit "Debug", but all the models seem to be in play now? I still see differences between the tech room models and the reference material of what they look like in FSO, but something definitely  changed. The only thing I did to troubleshoot was verify my file integrity last night but it passed all checks, so I'm not sure what to make of that. Thanks everyone for being so helpful though, I really appreciate how welcoming and wonderful this community is!

Edit: I'm guessing the differences I'm seeing are due to how the reference pics are posed in the Wiki, and flattering lighting being used to make them look sleeker and blacker. I don't think I need anymore help troubleshooting at this point unless anyone has any suggestions to see how far I can tax the game with additional upgrades etc. Thanks again everyone!

 
Re: Only some models seem upgraded?
I can only think of two models that haven't had any completed upgrades at all... The Demon and the Argo.

Hygeia was started but never put into the game (it was only used for renders). :(

Ganymede (unused in the main campaign) and the Zephyrus gasminer were neither.

 

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Re: Only some models seem upgraded?
SO I fired it back up again this evening, and I got a bunch of errors and the game would only launch if I hit "Debug", but all the models seem to be in play now?
That's something that should be investigated.  Hitting debug isn't some kind of magical button to make errors go away; it just means that the engine is ignoring them and weird things may happen down the line.  There's something definitely wrong.
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Re: Only some models seem upgraded?
Should I verify integrity again?
Post screenshots \ logs?

Happy to do whatever :)

 

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[6:23 PM] PIe: why do I have the feeling that I shouldn't be able to give orders to 22nd armored hq
[6:24 PM] Axem: 22nd armored hq, i order you to get me a cup of coffee
[6:24 PM] PIe: and donuts
[6:24 PM] PIe: BECAUSE THIS IS THE GTVA POLICE
[6:25 PM] Axem: :O
[6:25 PM] Axem: am i under arrest
[6:26 PM] [`_`]/: no, just please step out of the myrmidon
[6:26 PM] [`_`]/: you have so much to fred for

[9:50 PM] Sottises: wait did you do vassago's verge?
[9:50 PM] Sottises: .. dirge?
[9:50 PM] Axem: yes
[9:50 PM] Sottises: ohh
[9:50 PM] Sottises: well I have that and JAD too
[9:50 PM] Axem: :)
[9:50 PM] Sottises: what a contrast of themes lmao
[9:50 PM] Axem: isnt it
[9:51 PM] Axem: super grimdark thriller about unknowable alien intelligence and over the top colorful action about friendship
[9:51 PM] PIe: jad is grimdark???
[9:51 PM] Axem: :skull:

 

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Re: Only some models seem upgraded?
To get the ships in game looking darker and thus more similar to the tech room images, try pasting this into the flags setting:

 -ambient_factor 65 -spec_exp 11 -spec_point 1.5 -spec_static 2.5 -spec_tube 2. -ogl_spec 80     

Also remember to disable 'emissive light from ships' in the FSO graphics options.

If you like it, and wish for it to be applied to every campaign, go to the cog in the top right of Konssos then click on global flags. Paste the custom flag info above, select the options you want from the drop down list then hit 'apply to all'. Pic attached.

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Re: Only some models seem upgraded?
For maximum eye candy:

Click 'on' to everything that says 'Enable...something...'  (except the aforementioned emissive light from ships)

Click 'off' to everything that says 'Disable...something...'

NB - some people's rigs have difficulties running smoothly with the 'shadows' option turn on. If you get poor performance, try turning this off first as this may correct it. If you have no problems then leave it on, as they look bloody lovely  :D
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Re: Only some models seem upgraded?
Debug log

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DEBUG SPEW: No debug_filter.cfg found, so only general, error, and warning
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Found root pack 'F:\Games\FreespaceOpen\FS2\sparky_hi_fs2.vp' with a checksum of 0xa11d56f1
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Setting language to English
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Game Settings Table: Using Standard Loops For SEXP Arguments
Game Settings Table: Using standard event chaining behavior
Game Settings Table: External shaders are DISABLED
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Error: game_settings.tbl(line 2):
Error: Missing required token: [#END]. Found [$Target Version:] instead.

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Re: Only some models seem upgraded?
To get the ships in game looking darker and thus more similar to the tech room images, try pasting this into the flags setting:

 -ambient_factor 65 -spec_exp 11 -spec_point 1.5 -spec_static 2.5 -spec_tube 2. -ogl_spec 80     

Also remember to disable 'emissive light from ships' in the FSO graphics options.

If you like it, and wish for it to be applied to every campaign, go to the cog in the top right of Konssos then click on global flags. Paste the custom flag info above, select the options you want from the drop down list then hit 'apply to all'. Pic attached.

Didn't end up digging it but I appreciate the suggestion!

 
Re: Only some models seem upgraded?
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FreeSpace 2 Open version: 3.8.0

There's your problem. MVPS 3.8.1 require a recent nightly, they're not compatible with 3.8 which is over a year old now.

Also a note for lighting settings: -spec_exp and -ogl_spec do literally nothing for any build in the past 3ish years. And I don't mean "it's hard to see the difference", I mean "the engine doesn't interact with those flags in any way". They just don't work with the deferred lighting renderer used since 3.7.5 nightlies.
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Re: Only some models seem upgraded?
Are you not seeing modeled cockpits with little guys on the Herc/Loki? If you're not seeing those something's wrong.

The modernity, complexity and degree of difference between the original and upgraded models varies considerably ship to ship. The Herc and Loki look quite similar in their upgraded form to their original form, until you look closely. What's something that will only bring the most recent MediaVPs that's changed a lot since retail... Mentu maybe? Arcadia? Also, maybe post a picture of a couple of ships that aren't upgraded vs a couple that are?

Nah this ain't it, the Herc and Loki look wildly better in their upgraded forms even at a glance. There's absolutely no mistaking the two.

But yes, definitely post pics.

That's only true if you are very familiar with the retail versions like most of us vets are. New players or others who haven't played for years may very easily mistake the two if they aren't paying attention.

I really don’t think so...it’s night and day between retail and the MVPs versions. The cockpits alone are so dramatically different.

 

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Re: Only some models seem upgraded?
And the textures are so dramatically blurry.
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Re: Only some models seem upgraded?
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FreeSpace 2 Open version: 3.8.0

There's your problem. MVPS 3.8.1 require a recent nightly, they're not compatible with 3.8 which is over a year old now.

Also a note for lighting settings: -spec_exp and -ogl_spec do literally nothing for any build in the past 3ish years. And I don't mean "it's hard to see the difference", I mean "the engine doesn't interact with those flags in any way". They just don't work with the deferred lighting renderer used since 3.7.5 nightlies.

How do I fix the build version issue? I'm using Knossos