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Offline Strygon

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Re: RELEASE: Shattered Stars: A Deepness Within Teaser Demo v1.0.0 [CLASSIFIED]
No, you really should get rid of Unicode entirely. It's one of the biggest bugs of the mod.
Maybe you should take a look into the issue and that on GitHub.

Why do you insist on keeping Unicode if it doesn't add much anyway? Especially since I'm pretty sure it's been previously stated that it's not fully implemented.
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Offline Bryan See

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Re: RELEASE: Shattered Stars: A Deepness Within Teaser Demo v1.0.0 [CLASSIFIED]
No, you really should get rid of Unicode entirely. It's one of the biggest bugs of the mod.
Maybe you should take a look into the issue and that on GitHub.

Why do you insist on keeping Unicode if it doesn't add much anyway? Especially since I'm pretty sure it's been previously stated that it's not fully implemented.
I insist on keeping Unicode because not just I wanted to keep up ahead of the FSO development of the master branch, but also wanted to add in Japanese texts later on. I wanted to make full use of TrueType fonts, not bitmap fonts. What is the point of sticking to bitmap fonts? And what is the point of sticking to the past?

@Strygon, you seem to be skeptical to the Unicode Mode functionality and possibly seem to call for its removal from its codebase or its deprecation at the least because you called Unicode Mode "a bug". Even Nightmare acknowledged it.

I was supposed to help the FSO team contribute, identify new problems and fix them.

BTW, I did some testing with the hi-resolution options menu disabled and it works fine. Is there a problem with it? Nope.
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Re: RELEASE: Shattered Stars: A Deepness Within Teaser Demo v1.0.0 [CLASSIFIED]
I'm not calling for the removal of Unicode from FSO I'm calling for the removal of Unicode from Shattered Stars because currently it's too broken to work correctly.
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[23:22] strypolygon: andrew
[23:22] strypolygon: i have one favor to ask of you
[23:22] strypolygon: never try speaking german again
[23:23] Andrewofdoom: No.

[18:50] 島風改八百三: the duck has multipli
[18:50] 島風改八百三: many duck
[18:50] 島風改八百三: left side
[18:50] 島風改八百三: even side
[18:50] 島風改八百三: handle it

[21:34] MP-Ryan: Why on earth would you Google this
[21:34] The_E: why would you not

[06:46] Strigon: how big is a mini-campaign again?
[06:46] Asteroth: smaller than a campaign
[06:47 ]Strigon: thanks

[05:56] Strigon: If I had to take a shot for each time I randomly decided to change the UI sounds, I'd have died of alcohol poisoning by now

[17:36] qazwsxal: time to have some fun
[17:41] z64555: VC++5 is not my idea of fun

[EatThePath] do your missiles do anything absurd?
[Strigon] describe absurd
[Strigon] the entire mod is absurd

  

Offline Bryan See

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Re: RELEASE: Shattered Stars: A Deepness Within Teaser Demo v1.0.0 [CLASSIFIED]
I'm not calling for the removal of Unicode from FSO I'm calling for the removal of Unicode from Shattered Stars because currently it's too broken to work correctly.
And then don't use Unicode ever? Revert to bitmap fonts? Sounds Trump-style authoritarian Luddism to me. Ask m!m. I've removed the high-resolution Options menu from the config file.

Strygon caught me off-guard with his statements calling for the removal of Unicode from Shattered Stars because he wrongly felt currently it's too broken to work correctly without evidence, aside from the issues filed at GitHub. So all those calling for a removal of Unicode: You are shooting yourself in the foot long term. Its in our interest to keep Unicode, TrueType fonts, and two high-resolution screens (sans the Options menu) intact.

If anyone believes that this particular issue deserves such inclusion and treatment, feel free to make your case here, however I suspect we have already exhausted our ability to express our view on the Unicode/High-Res Interface in Shattered Stars.

The Shattered Stars Teaser Demo v1.0.1 is now available.
« Last Edit: December 14, 2018, 11:04:34 am by Bryan See »
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Re: RELEASE: Shattered Stars: A Deepness Within Teaser Demo v1.0.0 [CLASSIFIED]
Bryan, it would be much easier to help you if you would just stop putting words in my mouth. I never said you should literally never ever use Unicode. I said that it's CURRENTLY too broken to be of any practical use.

All I'm saying is, for the time being you should stay away from Unicode until it's been properly implemented and can be of practical use.
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[23:22] strypolygon: andrew
[23:22] strypolygon: i have one favor to ask of you
[23:22] strypolygon: never try speaking german again
[23:23] Andrewofdoom: No.

[18:50] 島風改八百三: the duck has multipli
[18:50] 島風改八百三: many duck
[18:50] 島風改八百三: left side
[18:50] 島風改八百三: even side
[18:50] 島風改八百三: handle it

[21:34] MP-Ryan: Why on earth would you Google this
[21:34] The_E: why would you not

[06:46] Strigon: how big is a mini-campaign again?
[06:46] Asteroth: smaller than a campaign
[06:47 ]Strigon: thanks

[05:56] Strigon: If I had to take a shot for each time I randomly decided to change the UI sounds, I'd have died of alcohol poisoning by now

[17:36] qazwsxal: time to have some fun
[17:41] z64555: VC++5 is not my idea of fun

[EatThePath] do your missiles do anything absurd?
[Strigon] describe absurd
[Strigon] the entire mod is absurd

 
Re: RELEASE: Shattered Stars: A Deepness Within Teaser Demo v1.0.0 [CLASSIFIED]
brian see read skype you idiot breaking mod releaser

 

Offline Bryan See

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Re: RELEASE: Shattered Stars: A Deepness Within Teaser Demo v1.0.0 [CLASSIFIED]
Bryan, it would be much easier to help you if you would just stop putting words in my mouth. I never said you should literally never ever use Unicode. I said that it's CURRENTLY too broken to be of any practical use.

All I'm saying is, for the time being you should stay away from Unicode until it's been properly implemented and can be of practical use.
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What about uploading a private development version of Shattered Stars using Unicode/High Resolution Interfaces?
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Re: RELEASE: Shattered Stars: A Deepness Within Teaser Demo v1.0.0 [CLASSIFIED]
Have to say, that I do not have any problems with Unicode since I work with it... which is since the BtA 3.8 release.

So on my end, there are much bigger problems with SS, because Unicode is one of the things, that will be solve automatically over time with one of the future builds. But maybe an optional temporary AMD compatibility fix should be offered?
« Last Edit: December 14, 2018, 11:35:49 am by Novachen »
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Re: RELEASE: Shattered Stars: A Deepness Within Teaser Demo v1.0.0 [CLASSIFIED]
Have to say, that I do not have any problems with Unicode since I work with it... which is since BtA 3.8.

So on my end, there are much bigger problems with SS, because Unicode is one of the things, that will be solve automatically over time with one of the future builds. But maybe an optional AMD compatibility fix should be offered?
I agree with you, Novachen. An AMD compatibility fix should be offered, until this issue will be solved automatically over time with one of the future builds.
« Last Edit: December 14, 2018, 11:44:16 am by Bryan See »
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Re: RELEASE: Shattered Stars: A Deepness Within Teaser Demo v1.0.0 [CLASSIFIED]
Then create one as an additional package on Knossos.  ^^

Also there are some hot fixes available here already you can use for a 1.0.1 release, too...
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Re: RELEASE: Shattered Stars: A Deepness Within Teaser Demo v1.0.0 [CLASSIFIED]
Then create one as an additional package on Knossos.  ^^

Also there are some hot fixes available here already you can use for a 1.0.1 release, too...
Thanks, but... Where can I find these hot fixes?
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Re: RELEASE: Shattered Stars: A Deepness Within Teaser Demo v1.0.0 [CLASSIFIED]
bryan see read skype and about shatterd stars i can help you im on pc if i got home
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Re: RELEASE: Shattered Stars: A Deepness Within Teaser Demo v1.0.0 [CLASSIFIED]
bryan see read skype and about shatterd stars i can help you im on pc if i got home
but theres more you need to do
chack everything  dhips you know
Novachen said that an AMD compatibility fix should be offered, until this issue will be solved automatically over time with one of the future builds.
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Re: RELEASE: Shattered Stars: A Deepness Within Teaser Demo v1.0.0 [CLASSIFIED]
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Re: RELEASE: Shattered Stars: A Deepness Within Teaser Demo v1.0.0 [CLASSIFIED]
Then create one as an additional package on Knossos.  ^^

Also there are some hot fixes available here already you can use for a 1.0.1 release, too...
Thanks, but... Where can I find these hot fixes?

You have posted a corrected weapons.tbl and a new rocket-ui.cfg, as well there was the hint to delete the weapon_hit-sct.tbm... this are already three fixes you can implement. Well, sure, there are things like missing textures you should include from FS2 also some models still have some errors due to missing subsystems in the ships.tbl... but well... at least you can play the mod. The texture and models stuff could be a target for 1.0.2, because i fear it could overstrain you if you do that everything for 1.0.1 already  :P

And for the AMD compatibility fix... an optional downloadable package with an own font.vf, fonts.tbl and an deactivated unicode mod.tbm with ANSI converted tables would be the solution for that.
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Re: RELEASE: Shattered Stars: A Deepness Within Teaser Demo v1.0.0 [CLASSIFIED]
came on skype  bryan see
so we can talk about happynewyear
@Woutersmits, please don't bring happynewyear into this thread nor any thread about Shattered Stars. Do it elsewhere. Not here.

Then create one as an additional package on Knossos.  ^^

Also there are some hot fixes available here already you can use for a 1.0.1 release, too...
Thanks, but... Where can I find these hot fixes?

You have posted a corrected weapons.tbl and a new rocket-ui.cfg, as well there was the hint to delete the weapon_hit-sct.tbm... this are already three fixes you can implement. Well, sure, there are things like missing textures you should include from FS2 also some models still have some errors due to missing subsystems in the ships.tbl... but well... at least you can play the mod. The texture and models stuff could be a target for 1.0.2, because i fear it could overstrain you if you do that everything for 1.0.1 already  :P

And for the AMD compatibility fix... an optional downloadable package with an own font.vf, fonts.tbl and an deactivated unicode mod.tbm with ANSI converted tables would be the solution for that.
I see.

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Re: RELEASE: Shattered Stars: A Deepness Within Teaser Demo v1.0.0 [CLASSIFIED]
Actually i wonder, why i have to explain you how to create a patch for your mod?

Also i thought, that you use Knossos for a reason.
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Re: RELEASE: Shattered Stars: A Deepness Within Teaser Demo v1.0.0 [CLASSIFIED]
came on skype  bryan see
so we can talk about happynewyear
@Woutersmits, please don't bring happynewyear into this thread nor any thread about Shattered Stars. Do it elsewhere. Not here.

Bryan, you have a long and well established history of mindlessly shoehorning your various projects in the most inane and arbitrary ways imaginable into almost any thread you come across. Do you recognise, at all, the enormous hypocrisy of what you just posted?
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Re: RELEASE: Shattered Stars: A Deepness Within Teaser Demo v1.0.0 [CLASSIFIED]
Actually i wonder, why i have to explain you how to create a patch for your mod?

Also i thought, that you use Knossos for a reason.

Somehow I think the entire "let's help Bryan so that Shattered Stars reaches SGWP2 level" is just getting pointless. :sigh:

 

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Re: RELEASE: Shattered Stars: A Deepness Within Teaser Demo v1.0.0 [CLASSIFIED]
Actually i wonder, why i have to explain you how to create a patch for your mod?

Also i thought, that you use Knossos for a reason.

Somehow I think the entire "let's help Bryan so that Shattered Stars reaches SGWP2 level" is just getting pointless. :sigh:

Could be easier to make an own "The Final War for the Multiverse" mod, huh?  :D
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