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Offline TopAce

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I promised to provide feedback on the other parts of INFR1 as well, so I guess it's time to do that.

The mod had a pretty good start. The nice new interface and the altered background music fit very well and helped me get the Inferno feeling. First couple missions were quite good. They weren't special missions, but they struck me as well done. Until the Diablo mission, I saw neither flat-out FREDding mistakes and none of the missions were too difficult. I don't remember having to replay any of the missions until Diablo, so until that point, INFR1 was a piece of cake.

Diablo was conveniently difficult. You saw you had to defend your bombers first, then attack the Shivan bombers when they start harassing your destroyer. Then attack the Diablo's remaining beams to win the mission. That is my idea of a well-balanced yet difficult mission. However, I guess I ran into a mission bug because neither the Independence(?) nor the destroyer that I had to defend shot at the Diablo, so I time-compressed, waited until the mission timer reached the 15th minute, then ~K'd it down.

Then came some more missions that I passed smoothly. Then I arrived at the mission where you scan stuff around the Sol Gate. My first attempt was miserable, but I found that I wanted to scan the ships in the wrong sequence. Once I picked my targets more wisely, I had no problem with ships jumping out prematurely. However, there was a mission bug that confused me. Namely, the ship that I (theoretically) have to defend suffered too much damage and said the mission was a failure, but I received no RTB directive, so I decided to stick around. I was hoping my efforts wouldn't be wasted, and they weren't, but if a mission message flat-out tells me that the mission was a failure, I receive no RTB directive, and I can eventually pass the mission, there's something wrong there.

The mission where you had to secure the node was hard, but it was well in the "ok" category. I would have completed it the first time around had I paid attention to the message that informed me that the EA would try to run the blockade and jump out. I missed this message entirely, so I didn't go for the engines. I acknowledge it's my bad, so no hard feelings about INFR1 here.

The rest of the missions (until Nemesis) were quite enjoyable. I remember some trouble with the escort list and I think either a mission goal or a directive didn't come true when it should have, but if it doesn't affect gameplay and causes no confusion, I'm fine with it.
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Offline Snail

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I'm going to have to disagree with you there. Almost all of the missions in INFR1 were complete and utter filler. The storyline could have progressed just fine without most of them.

 

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By "being well done," I didn't say they added a lot of depth to the storyline. I pretty much knew about INFR1's story before I even downloaded it. I'm in it for the gameplay, which was decent until Nemesis, not the story.
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i recall being really pissed off by

1) the mission with the installation with all the morningstars

2) the mission where i had to defend that carrier from the bazillion swarm bombs

but i dunno i still have this weird fondness for infr1 in spite of all the ****ty things about it and all the capships being beamrape glass cannons

 

Offline Snail

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The gameplay wasn't spectacular or involving in any way. They were for the most part bland and uninventive drabble and sometimes infuriatingly annoying like the second mission (that ****ing mission urgh). How someone could like that mission but dislike Nemesis is something utterly beyond my comprehension.


I hope the Inferno devs are reading because that was an excellent example of how not to make INF SCP. D:

 

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Nemesis frustrated me like no mission before.

The second mission didn't.
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Offline Snail

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Nemesis was an immaculately FREDded mission that happened to be too difficult.

The second mission was one of the most pitiful excuses for a mission I've played in a release campaign.

 

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The world is nice because it's various. The world is various because there are different people and different tastes.
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Offline Snail

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The world is nice because it's various. The world is various because there are different people and different tastes.
That's ironic. :P

 

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It isn't. We should never, ever force other people to share our tastes, or indirectly call them incompetent for that.

EDIT: It's "incompetent".
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Offline General Battuta

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Right, but there are some things that go beyond taste and into simple quality.

Though otherwise I agree.

 

Offline Jeff Vader

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We should never, ever force other people to share our tastes, or indirectly call them incompetently for that.
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Offline mr.WHO

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i recall being really pissed off by

2) the mission where i had to defend that carrier from the bazillion swarm bombs


Ohh God, I hate that mission, HATE IT,HATE IT,HATE IT,HATE IT,HATE IT.
Mainly because no matter what I did I always end up with something like 1% hull of that carrier and 30 seconds to jump and those are most nightmarins 30 seconds in my entire FS2 like. After that the Nemesis mission was piece a cake (easy setting, I finished it after 3rd run).

BTW guys do you intedn to keep some music from INFR1, like the music from Nemesis mission and music from 4rth mission (that one with lone Lycaon station and where you first meet shivans in INFR1, music file called Hcombat - perfect dogfight music, I still have it on my playlist).

 

Offline Snail

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It isn't. We should never, ever force other people to share our tastes, or indirectly call them incompetent for that.

EDIT: It's "incompetent".
Wait wait. Who called who incompetent?

 

Offline General Battuta

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I can only assume Mobius is defending TopAce's right to think that Nemesis is a piece of **** mission.

 

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Wait wait. Who called who incompetent?

Here? No one. Mine was a generalization because, you know, that's what happens when a person criticizes someone else's tastes.

I can only assume Mobius is defending TopAce's right to think that Nemesis is a piece of **** mission.

I defend TopAce period. That doesn't mean I think Nemesis is trash, though.
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Offline Snail

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I don't see when this became an ad hominem debate. TopAce stated his opinions and I stated mine.

 

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It's called prevention, Snail. Let's not ruin this thread. :)
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What, I thought this had been ruined a page ago already.
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