[WMCoolmon]

Same drill as the patch thread - post improvements, bugs, or additions here.

Right now I've got-
Taylor's DDS textures/effects
SFr Dis
GTB Ursa
SCv Moloch (But I don't think the version I have is the _final_ version)

Stuff that isn't done:
CP mentioned something about the subsystems on the Orion being out of place
The Vasudan Gas Miner's LODs are different enough from the LOD0 version that the engine thrusters are out of place.
Merging taylor's fixed-Deimos engines with the Deimos currently in the mediaVPs.

[Singh]

Edit: bah, I need to read properly :/

[StratComm]

I can do the engine merge late tonight (though I'll have to dig up taylor's fixed-Deimos) as that should be totally trivial.  The one that worries me is the Anuket; if the LOD is out of position, as seemed to be the initial prognosis, I'm going to need the whole damned thing recompiled.  I'm not eager to do that.  I can look at the Orion too, and while that's lower on the priority list it should also be really easy to fix.  Do you remember offhand which subsystems are "out of place"?  I'm guessing engines, but I can't remember.

[WMCoolmon]

http://fs2source.warpcore.org/temp/deimos.zip

That includes both taylor's deimos as well as the current version in the MediaVPs. I don't know if the model is any different from the one in the Deltas, so I included it.

I think CP's main concern was engines, because it messed up a campaign mission, but I don't remember if there were any other subsystems messed up.

Edit: Also, I remember making a mental note to look into using the lower-version shockwaves for mv_effects, rather than the medium-quality version. Does anyone have the link to those?

[CP5670]

Yeah the engine was the main issue, but the navigation also has the same problem. They're too deep inside the model and as a result are much harder to destroy with bombs (which don't have the puncture flag). The original Orion has them near the edges of the model. I can fix this up quickly if you want.

The Hecate also has an issue with the size of three of its turrets that makes them easier or harder to hit from far away, but it's fairly minor and harder to fix.

I'm not sure if I posted this in the other thread, but here is a little thing I made some years ago that may be a useful addition to the core vp:
http://home.comcast.net/~cp5670/shieldbv-01.ani

It fixes the bug with the Bakha's shield HUD animation in the original game.

[StratComm]

On closer inspection, the subsystems were completely different from the original model.  Fixed, along with the Deimos, but I'll wait until I can properly asses how long fixing the Anuket will take.  I had to make the engine system larger so that it could still be hit from about the same angles, since it was getting hidden by the greebles even when set to its proper size.

EDIT:
I'm not touching the Hecate.  The turrets (and I'm assuming these are the big deck guns most aft and on the bottom side) are not really fixable without reconversion and really should affect balance very, very little, especially on the retail campaign.  So I'm not touching those, nor do I encourage anyone else to take that up.

Ok, so the Anuket.  It's got a multipart turret that (right now) works completely wrongly, which I'll fix.  Fixing the rest of it doesn't look as bad as I initially thought though.

[Cobra]

er, nevermind. didn't read it right, and i thought you gave a download xD

[StratComm]

3.6.8 Gamma Model Fixes - This is not a media VP, and should only be downloaded by SCP or FSUpg staff members.

That should take care of your wish-list, WMC.  I checked the Anuket out (engine glows show now) since I reconverted it; I can't promise it's turrets will be beautiful when firing but they're at least as good as what was there before.  And the model is stable and will show up in the correct position, were it ever used in a mission where it's positioning on warp-in needed to be precise.

EDIT: And I don't think the Moloch is done yet.  Leave it out until either it goes public or WeatherOp sends you the "final" version directly.  In which case I'm still going to want to look over it just to be sure everything's in order.

[CP5670]

EDIT:
I'm not touching the Hecate.  The turrets (and I'm assuming these are the big deck guns most aft and on the bottom side) are not really fixable without reconversion and really should affect balance very, very little, especially on the retail campaign.  So I'm not touching those, nor do I encourage anyone else to take that up.

Yes, those are the ones. It's mainly in the Rebel Intercept multiplayer mission that it makes things slightly harder, as the smaller size of the rearmost large flak turret makes it a bit trickier to hit with the maxim (which is a standard tactic in that mission) under normal lag conditions. Although as you said it's not worth the trouble it would take to fix it, at least right now.

[Admiral Nelson]

Here is the turret angle fix tbm with added support for the Ursa.

Wasn't Raa showing of an in game cockpitted Myrmidon?  That would be nice to have for the first few missions of the new Derelict...

[MetalDestroyer]

Wow, We have now a gamme version !  Then we'll have the Epsilon version to Zeta version until the final 

[WMCoolmon]

Well patches have been a pain b/c people don't remove them when they upgrade to a new set (and then complain about errors), and Inquisitor hasn't complained about server bandwidth yet.

[FireCrack]

IIRC the rearmost turret of the hecate was always smaller than the others.

[Taristin]

Wasn't Raa showing of an in game cockpitted Myrmidon? That would be nice to have for the first few missions of the new Derelict...

I was, but the cocpit struts completely obstructed your view. It was like a really really tiny window to look out of in front of you. If you like that sort of thing, I can find the file when I et my laptop back from repairs, but I didn't really like it.

Edit: but I do have an idea about what I can do to fix that... hmm..... Ideas! Wee!

[Admiral Nelson]

I did think the Myrmidon looked good externally anyway...

[CP5670]

IIRC the rearmost turret of the hecate was always smaller than the others.

no, check the original model.

[FireCrack]

Ah, youre right.

What a dumb place for a turret though...

[Steel01]

I figured I'd better post this here instead of in the Beta thread because this may affect future vp's, not the current one's.

I finally got hosting for my DDS VP's (Thanks Backslash )
www.qeyleb.net/files/dds_vp's.exe
These are fully working vp's in case anyone wants to use them as is, I do.

WMCoolmon: will these work or do I need to get you just the DDS files?

     Steel01

[Wanderer]

I think these were lost due to the rollback..

i) species_defs.tbl, so that SCP thrusters would be used ingame.. for example like this.

ii) Thruster radius of the HTL trebuchet is far too small.

[Backslash]

Note: found a couple errors in the dds_vp's.  We're working on it.  The ones I've tracked down are corrupted because the TGA/PCX versions are non-power-of-2 sizes.
Some of the culprits, which might be good to fix in the TGA/PCX versions also:
thruster02-03  -- 510x128  (?!)
thruster03-01a  -- 400x400, whereas all the other thruster03* files are 512x512.
Prometheus_Glow  -- 166x166
Vapula_Glow  -- 166x166
Kayser_Glow.pcx  -- 166x166.  This is an odd one, because Kayser_Glow.tga is just fine at 256x256.  These three weapon glows look all identical, so correcting them is easy: duplicate Kayser_Glow.tga, overwriting the others, and convert to pcx to fix those too.

Also, a couple ideas:
1.  There is a typo (?) in the mv_effects-wep.tbm file under Terran Turret.  The Laser Bitmap is 2_laserglow03.  Is this not supposed to be LaserGlow03, or Terran_Turret?  This currently has the effect of most Terran turrets firing odd but boring white blobs.

2.  The animated glowmaps; wouldn't they look better with a slower animation speed (fps)?  Most of them are currently > 30fps, some at even 60.  So you see the full animation in less than a second; the repetition becomes quite noticable in such a short amount of time.  I say they'd look better at 15fps or so.  Hmm, would this also improve performance any?