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Title: Freelancer - Original game
Post by: RizZen on August 04, 2019, 03:05:53 am
(https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=95806.0;attach=27278;image)
Freelancer review by oldpcgaming.net (https://www.oldpcgaming.net/freelancer-2003-review/)
German review (auf deutsch) (https://www.computerbase.de/2016-12/freelancer-pc-klassiker-neu-entdeckt-review/3/)
"I'm not allowed to share the direct links to downloads or the original version. But those articles and the info below should give you a point into the right direction to get a hand on this gem. When you are lucky, you can get/buy an original version on amazon or ebay - but nowadays it is sold expensively overrated and have to be seen as a "collector's" edition. Like an old baseball card. Just for info i have TWO original Disks and the original package and books in my collection. At the moment - a valid value for FL-Original disks is about 80-150 bucks - depends on how "used" and condition of the sale."

So what you have to do in order to play Microsoft Freelancer again / or for the first time?

1. Install Freelancer

Freelancer is official abandonware and inofficial freeware - it can be downloaded on several places for free in the internet. Just type "Freelancer ISO Download" into google and search for the right download link. I'm not allowed to share them directly - yet. But doesn't matter - for my version later you don't need the original anymore.

The technical pre-conditions are limited in the basic game. The maximum native resolution was 1240x1024 (4:3). Nowadays no eye candy to play - see it on screen:

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Screensize 50% reduced for forum view

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2. Update the original game folder with any HD Widescreen mod for SP Freelancer:
(or a copy of it when you wanna backup the vanilla one)

There are many HD Mods available for Freelancer. Some work better and some less. I like the version from Jeider & Whiskas very much. I modified it a bit for autodetection of screenresolution, here is my HD Widescreen
Mod Version:

Download RizZen's Vanilla FL Widescreen (16:9) HD Mod (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1pHDJSfqQREn01xQ-yixzMjA-tnye9D1g) (original by Whiskas and Jeider)

Download this *.rar - open it and copy the content of the folders to your FL folders. Readme instructions are inside.
Mod Content:
- Official Advanced Widescreen HD Mod v1.1 by Whiskas & Jeider
- RizZen's autodetect edition with SP-savegame for free play without storymode (install readme inside)

Now you can enjoy FL story campaign and single player mods in Widescreen HD resolutions:

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Title: Installl instructions
Post by: RizZen on August 04, 2019, 06:31:52 am
Windows 10 OS
On Windows 10 you just need to mount the ISO or use the original FL CD and run all executables and game files with Windows XP SP2 support. (Right click exe files -> compatibility menu).
When Freelancer is started for the first time it may install/activate DirectPlay - this is technically needed to play Freelancer. It won't take long to do those small changes in the windows settings.

(https://i.imgur.com/bOPSfQv.jpg)

How to install?
1. open the ISO
2. start the setup/install/autorun executable
3. follow the install instructions and install the basic freelancer game
4. it is recommended to choose "full installation"
5. When you would like to mod / update your installation you can use freelancer mod manager (freeware) or drop mod folders manually into your game folders to update your versions. It is recommend to make a copy of the original game folder with an edited name in order not to troubleshoot or crash your working installation later. When you make a backup keep in mind that Freelancer uses two folders to store your game files. First is the common game folder that users are used. The second is in the user's data folders under "... \MY GAMES\Freelancer" - it is recommend to backup those folders, too when you make changes to the original Singleplayer version. When you would like to play the other you can start the FL.exe from specific unmodded backup folder - this way you just need to replace the "MY GAMES\Freelancer\..." user's folder, when you switch back to single-player and campaign story mode. Other mods are overwriting this user folder with your server multiplayer IDs. You should keep an eye on them, don`t share them to others - when other people know your ID they can do changes on your accounts. When you loose the files you maybe in danger of loosing entrance to your existent multi-player chars. I will release more information about freelancer multiplayer IDs later on another place of this board.

When you just want to play the Original Freelancer start the setup from the ISO/CD now and if you like enhance it with smaller or bigger mods you wanna play (Widescreen Mod Download is above - introduces higher resolutions and resolution auto detect / screen resize).

The game can be installed on other OS, too. From Win9x up to WinXP/Vista up to Win7,8,8.1 there are more or less easy instructions how to install it all over the web. When you have found a certain solution or having serious issues your free to communicate here. There are even people who managed to install and play it on MAC & Linux OS systems!

(https://i.imgur.com/H7llbTz.gif)
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game (for free)
Post by: Colonol Dekker on August 04, 2019, 11:55:52 am
This topic is wonderful as I do own a hardcopy of the original game but it's buried in my loft beneath god knows....


One vote to have it stickied please :yes:

And thank you for taking the time to write this all up.

Also slightly off topic....but on forum topic, I remember seeing freespace ships in freelancer a long time ago.... Was there a mod for it or were they in one of the mega ship packs? 😜.
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game (for free)
Post by: Commander Zane on August 04, 2019, 07:40:03 pm
Also slightly off topic....but on forum topic, I remember seeing freespace ships in freelancer a long time ago.... Was there a mod for it or were they in one of the mega ship packs? 😜.
I think the mod was WTS? I still do Discovery once in a blue moon.
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game (for free)
Post by: 0rph3u5 on August 05, 2019, 05:10:48 am
What are the options for localisation? - I own a german version and its one of the technically worst localisation jobs I've ever seen (seriously, did they have no director for the VA sessions?)
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game (for free)
Post by: RizZen on August 05, 2019, 05:39:27 am
Options for localisation? VA?

Kannst auch gern auf deutsch fragen vll versteh ich dich dann  :p
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game (for free)
Post by: 0rph3u5 on August 05, 2019, 08:57:03 am
Localisation = Translation plus X of a game/movie/etc from its original language/cultural or market context into another; because there might be some alterations beyond the mere lingustic translataion (such as cutting content based on local laws and customs) it is its own thing

VA = voice acting



Basically I was asking if the free version comes in different languages...
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game (for free)
Post by: RizZen on August 05, 2019, 10:14:23 am
The voice acting is still better to me than Siri or Alexa...

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My mod will be released in English only. Even the German elements you see in my screenshots won't be shown to other players later.

There are multiple native original ISOs in the web so that people are able to install it in the language they like. The language code of all
my mod content i set to 0 (all languages) - so it will be shown on all versions with individual languages - but in English.

This is possible to do this way cause i don't edit the original game files - i just expand them or write new ones.
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game (for free)
Post by: CKid on August 05, 2019, 06:44:16 pm
Got as far as installing it using VirtualCloneDrive. Unfortunately it's asking me for the game disc to start playing. Not quite sure where I went wrong.
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game (for free)
Post by: RizZen on August 06, 2019, 12:37:16 am
What OS your using? Did you MOUNT the ISO?
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game (for free)
Post by: CKid on August 06, 2019, 03:50:02 pm
Windows 7. Yes, I mount the ISO by right clicking on it and selected Mount. Doing so brings up the autoplay box and I select "run setup.exe". I install game with no issues. Once that is done however, when I try to start the game it's asking me to insert the CD-ROM. Sorry for the late response.
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game (for free)
Post by: BlueFlames on August 06, 2019, 05:27:35 pm
Microsoft released Freelancer as freeware and it became available for anyone.

That doesn't sound much like Microsoft to me.  Is there somewhere we can read the original announcement (or some other documentation) of the free release?
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game (for free)
Post by: Nightmare on August 06, 2019, 06:30:42 pm
Wikipedia article doesn't say anything about that; Google search tells me that MS doesn't sell it anymore/cares about it so it's some sort of abandonware.
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game (for free)
Post by: RizZen on August 07, 2019, 05:08:15 am
There had been announcements back in time. You will see it when i find smt. - had same issue with MechCommander, microsoft too - but after speaking with Mitch Gitelman, the head CEO of the developer team everything was cool. The creators of those games like how they get distributed in a non-profit oriented manner.
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game (for free)
Post by: Nightmare on August 07, 2019, 06:35:05 am
If only FS would be available that way too :o
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game (for free)
Post by: Novachen on August 07, 2019, 09:11:20 am
I am actually curious about that 'freeware' thing, too. I mean if this game is freeware, than it would be available on much more official sites instead of shady Abandonware sites only (which only offer the english version, too)

Allegiance was handled much more differently by Microsoft. It was available from Microsofts official sites after their official declaration you can still found on MS' websites. It was available right in the Windows Store with its introduction in Windows 8 and is also on Steam nowadays.

So i do not have a clue, why they should treat Freelancer different...
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game (for free)
Post by: Nightmare on August 07, 2019, 09:32:58 am
So i do not have a clue, why they should treat Freelancer different...

To give SC backers an impression what the reality/ambition of Croberts looks like. :drevil:
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game (for free)
Post by: RizZen on August 07, 2019, 10:47:28 am
I know that Freelancer got released on several platforms back in the days. Each computer-magazine i bought had it on disk as fullversion one day. On Microsoft it was availalbe, too for some years. But it seems they simply forgot about it. The last information i have about FL is that MS lost the source code and they have no big interest in develop this one any further.
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game (for free)
Post by: Nightmare on August 07, 2019, 11:37:22 am
Would be interesting to know though, Wikipedia doesn't say anythings; probably the article hasn't been updated for a while.
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game (for free)
Post by: Colonol Dekker on August 07, 2019, 05:47:28 pm
 Or here..

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/how-to-still-get-freelancer/aa7c5608-f6ba-4bd8-9990-0d417fa1f3b7?auth=1


They do refer to star citizen being released back in 2014 through 2017 though  :lol:
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game (for free)
Post by: RizZen on August 08, 2019, 02:07:31 am
@CKid:
Im no Win7 user. Only thing i know about Win7 gaming issues is that this OS needs games (older ones) in certain folders. When you customized your folder path i recommend trying to reinstall with the default paths. Maybe it works then?
Title: Freelancer content - terms of rights
Post by: RizZen on August 08, 2019, 11:22:02 am
(https://i.imgur.com/qfvFlTu.jpg)

Terms of use
RizZen's Freelancer CONTENT
Copyright (c) RizZen 2019.


§1
Reproduction  & translation of my work (as a whole or parts of it) in any mode without permission is strictly forbidden allowed.
I don´t claim owner rights of all informations and files i have created while modding and working on this game. Anyone is free to do with it what´s desired. I love to test new game improvements and evolving old retro games. What i do for Freelancer is my tribute to one of the best Sci-Fi open world MMORPG & PvP games i´ve ever played. Even better than several ego shooters! I don´t feel offended or betrayed when someone is using my Version - i would be honored.


§2
All names and marks are properties of respective owners (Microsoft {Owning developers} / digitalANViL / Chris Roberts {CO Mindsetting} / ) - free- / abandonware since ~2008 (Begin of active Modding: 07/2019).


§3
Freelancer - Discussion Forum
is officially hosted by owners of http//www.hard-light.net .
Without this website & forum there won´t be a single version of mod / full version for Freelancer by my side. Only after being accepted on this website i was able to create / release Freelancer game content. Therefore i dedicate Freelancer Memories - with all content to Hard-Light.net and it`s modding crew. If changes are desired i admit my help to make them. My only attempt on Freelancer is and was all-time = FUN!

§4
I'm not resposible for the content of any other site than Hard-Light.net. When i relate to other Freelancer Mods it needs to be clarified, that I don't created them and not hosting the sites or "partner sites" i refer to.
I'm responsible for my own modwork and that's why on long-time perspective there will be two Freelancer sections. One for general freelancer and other mods & content - and one for Freelancer - Memories & Modding work in general.

§5
When there is any law conflict with my content your free to contact me and i will put all the matching content offline. I have no intensions in profit. I don't take any donations! If i'm mentioned or not - when someone is using my content - doesn't matter to me. I see myself as a "keeper" - of good old retro games. I want to enrich people's life's! I want to entertain! And i want that all people can download and play my content - both - poor and rich. That's why i never leave the "vanilla" path of a game. That way you can play FL with any imagineable computer - no matter how old if it fits the original requirements.

§6
When someone feels offended or not literally or honorable being mentioned, your free to contact me and i will clarify things, change them or take your content off, no problem. When you decide to legally offend me and my work in any way i will put all my content off. I have nothing to spare and i won't ever even get a penny profit from my work. I spend thousands of hours of modding work into this - for free. Just because i have fun doing so. When fun is gone, then we have a problem.

§7
You are using all mods / enhancements / additional software at own risk. I'm not responsible for any affect they may take! But you can trust me when i say: I have tested the things i'm sharing to others and i think all that stuff shouldn't be forgotten! The Freelancer world deserves this tribute.
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game (for free)
Post by: karajorma on August 10, 2019, 05:22:21 am
Hard-Light takes a pretty hard line on piracy. So I'm going to need to ask for a bit more proof that the game itself is freeware than just this. Do you have anything official you can point to?

Your mods are of course yours to distribute as you wish.
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game (for free)
Post by: Novachen on August 10, 2019, 05:45:53 am
I know that Freelancer got released on several platforms back in the days.

Well, then there is the question, why it was removed from these platforms?

Sure, it is possible that Microsoft do not offer it by themselves for a couple of reasons anymore.
But if this game is declared as Freeware, then there is no reason for other sites to take it down. It is not even available on The Starport which should be the biggest FL fan site after the now-defunct Lancer's Reactor.

I mean all google results for a freelancer download lead me to abandonware or warez sites in the first place. And that is very suspicious to me.  :doubt:
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game (for free)
Post by: Nightmare on August 10, 2019, 06:12:14 am
But abandonware != warez, or?
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game (for free)
Post by: Novachen on August 10, 2019, 06:48:12 am
Well.. in terms of law there is no difference actually.

You can get abandonware on Warez sites, too. Only that Warez also offers software you can buy right at the next store.

But there is a difference in the behaviour from Abandonware to Warez sites, sure. Abandonware sites delete any download possibility after the abandonware is sold again via stores like GOG or Steam.
But actually that is only a Gentleman move by the site operators. Actually it is not allowed to offer these games free to download in the first place.
Software does not become freeware just because it is no longer officially sold.

Ubi non accusator, ibi non iudex. (Do not know the english proverb unfortunately, maybe no plaintiff, no judge?)
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game (for free)
Post by: jr2 on August 10, 2019, 10:30:26 am
But abandonware != warez, or?

I, for one, will die laughing my ass off if this site goes hardliner on Abandonware.  Not sure if it's Abandonware, although it appears to be (go on Microsoft and search - old links come up dead, and current search results don't have a 'freelancer' game).

EDIT: Someone asked the same thing over at the Microsoft forums here (https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_other-gaming/how-to-still-get-freelancer/aa7c5608-f6ba-4bd8-9990-0d417fa1f3b7), seems at this time it's in the same boat FS2 was in before it got released on GOG and Steam and we were all using prototype24's download (ie, you have to find a retail copy, eBay is selling used Freelancer titles for ~$60).
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game (for free)
Post by: Nightmare on August 10, 2019, 03:24:30 pm
60$ for a decade old game? Pffft.
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game (for free)
Post by: karajorma on August 11, 2019, 02:06:44 am
I, for one, will die laughing my ass off if this site goes hardliner on Abandonware.

Would you prefer burial or cremation?
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game (for free)
Post by: jr2 on August 13, 2019, 06:04:46 pm
I, for one, will die laughing my ass off if this site goes hardliner on Abandonware.

Would you prefer burial or cremation?

Harr harr harr. *cough*thxNightmare*cough*  I didn't say I would be surprised.  I'd say cremation but nobody here has bothered to refill the flamethrowers with anything except the bog-standard dihydrogen monoxide, which has rusted the innards even if you could find suitable fuel, so it looks like you'll have to bury me with Carl and his lunch pail in the ventilation shafts.  :yes:
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game (for free)
Post by: Nightmare on August 13, 2019, 06:32:51 pm
You probably mean "Harr Harr Harr!" ;)
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game (for free)
Post by: RizZen on August 14, 2019, 10:49:19 am
Well,

there was a guy some years back in time - he had enough money to buy the rights/licenses - microsoft denied any offers with the argument that they have nothing to sell on that topic cause source code is lost and it vanished from their hard-disks. Why isn't it online on many sites today? - Cause most of them went inactive - offline or forgot to re-implement after site updates / changes.

I see myself as a "keeper" of information. Information that will be lost - when no one "keeps" & "cares" for it. Of course you can doubt that it's 100% legal - but of course you can have doubts about that for whole communities like modDB, hard-light - or any other fan-related / modding site.

This is nothing i want to have discussed here. When there are problems i'm 100% confident about that any related content will be removed by the "site"-owners one day. This will be a bad day for freelancers then.

When you are worried about me - spending so many hours for smt. that possibly might be removed one day: Don't be worried about! - Nothing is forever.

Einstein said: REAL passion is to devote your life for your dream/desire/theory - and upset the apple cart one day. - This is how he finally got an idea -> the theory of relativity.
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game (for free)
Post by: Colonol Dekker on August 14, 2019, 03:39:11 pm
But we keep track of legal state of freespace for the sake of stopping it blowing up in our faces  :lol:
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game (for free)
Post by: RizZen on August 15, 2019, 12:15:31 pm
This was Mitch Gitelman (Microsoft CEO - MechCommander development) reaction on my MC mod:

(https://us.v-cdn.net/5018289/uploads/editor/2v/57y4dxft1uk7.jpg)

https://twitter.com/mitchgit/status/1082849560425246720

he even shares it to other "prominents" of the battletech community - that makes ME very proud of my work  :cool::

https://twitter.com/mitchgit/status/1082863653911556096


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And yeah: I doubt that Chris Roberts will ever notice my attempts in a similar way - therefore i'm talking with Elon Musk from time to time *lol*
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game
Post by: Goober5000 on August 21, 2019, 11:51:13 am
We can't provide download links to abandonware.  I've edited the original post to remove them.

I still have the original post prior to the edits.  If you can prove that Freelancer is freeware, I can restore the original post.  But the best information available, from both Microsoft and Starport (https://the-starport.net/freelancer/wiki/index.php/How_to_get_Freelancer), indicates that it is not freeware.
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game
Post by: Nightmare on August 21, 2019, 01:15:56 pm
Just write "Google 'Freelancer Abandonware'" and people will have the links.
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game
Post by: Rico on August 22, 2019, 06:21:44 am
We can't provide download links to abandonware.  I've edited the original post to remove them.

I still have the original post prior to the edits.  If you can prove that Freelancer is freeware, I can restore the original post.  But the best information available, from both Microsoft and Starport (https://the-starport.net/freelancer/wiki/index.php/How_to_get_Freelancer), indicates that it is not freeware.

Didn't HLP used to host Freespace 2 download and installer or at least a link to it before it was re-released on GoG.com as it was no longer available anywhere?

Wouldn't Freelancer come under the same category?
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game
Post by: Nightmare on August 22, 2019, 06:26:28 am
Yeah but they got removed probably even before it got released on GoG IIRC. So we have to stick with "pls buy this 20yo game that looks good for its age but you never heard of and maybe doesn't even run on your os, so you can use this fancy stuff that looks shiny but you don't know about what it is about either". :doubt:
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game
Post by: darkdaej on August 22, 2019, 10:14:23 am
Yeah but they got removed probably even before it got released on GoG IIRC. So we have to stick with "pls buy this 20yo game that looks good for its age but you never heard of and maybe doesn't even run on your os, so you can use this fancy stuff that looks shiny but you don't know about what it is about either". :doubt:

Yeah I remember a time when Turey's (bad) installer actually hosted the FS2 files.  They got removed before GoG was a thing, IIRC because Interplay set their gaze on us and coughed.

I may be wrong though.
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game
Post by: Nightmare on August 22, 2019, 10:29:13 am
Well... https://wiki.hard-light.net/index.php?title=Getting_FreeSpace&oldid=19158
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game
Post by: darkdaej on August 22, 2019, 10:39:27 am
Well... https://wiki.hard-light.net/index.php?title=Getting_FreeSpace&oldid=19158

Heh, HOTU still hosts the (cutscene-less) FS2 files?

Damn.

But at least we're not hosting them directly anymore.  However I think there should be a disclaimer saying we highly recommend you only use those sources if you had a legit copy but lost the discs or they broke or something.
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game
Post by: Nightmare on August 22, 2019, 10:48:27 am
(it's just the old version of the article)
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game
Post by: darkdaej on August 22, 2019, 10:50:05 am
(it's just the old version of the article)

Oh, hadn't noticed in the link.  Thank goodness, lol
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game
Post by: Goober5000 on August 22, 2019, 01:06:05 pm
HLP never hosted the FS2 files directly.
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game
Post by: Nightmare on August 22, 2019, 01:42:04 pm
HLP never hosted *anything* directly.
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game
Post by: jr2 on August 22, 2019, 07:07:24 pm
Yeah but they got removed probably even before it got released on GoG IIRC. So we have to stick with "pls buy this 20yo game that looks good for its age but you never heard of and maybe doesn't even run on your os, so you can use this fancy stuff that looks shiny but you don't know about what it is about either". :doubt:

Yeah I remember a time when Turey's (bad) installer actually hosted the FS2 files.  They got removed before GoG was a thing, IIRC because Interplay set their gaze on us and coughed.

I may be wrong though.

I believe you misspelled wheezed greasily.
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game
Post by: darkdaej on August 22, 2019, 07:45:28 pm
Yeah but they got removed probably even before it got released on GoG IIRC. So we have to stick with "pls buy this 20yo game that looks good for its age but you never heard of and maybe doesn't even run on your os, so you can use this fancy stuff that looks shiny but you don't know about what it is about either". :doubt:

Yeah I remember a time when Turey's (bad) installer actually hosted the FS2 files.  They got removed before GoG was a thing, IIRC because Interplay set their gaze on us and coughed.

I may be wrong though.

I believe you misspelled wheezed greasily.

Ahh, yes, that's the term I was looking for...
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game
Post by: Rico on August 23, 2019, 10:19:33 am
HLP never hosted *anything* directly.

I wasn't sure who was doing the hosting, either way my point was that it has already been a precedent to allow linking to abandon-ware which gets removed once the game is on sale again. Since HLP isn't hosting the files we aren't providing the ISO and of course ensure we are clear that piracy is not endorsed; the links are provided until an official means of purchasing becomes available.

Besides I recall Microsoft basically handed the game over to the community when they turned off the MP servers - could have recalled reading they helped the community provide the work around.

For the record I have the game; physical copy - I'd just like to see it available for others online that weren't so lucky to help keep the game alive like HLP has helped keep Freespace alive.
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game
Post by: RizZen on August 23, 2019, 11:41:48 am
Anyone who needs a link can pm me...
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game
Post by: Nightmare on August 23, 2019, 12:28:29 pm
Anyone who needs a link can pm me...

Add that to the Opening Post.
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game
Post by: Novachen on August 23, 2019, 12:43:48 pm
Well... i think FreeSpace 2 is a different story, because of its EULA issue, what actually allows you to give copies of the game to family, friends and acquaintances.  :D
And we are all one family here on HLP  :rolleyes:

But FreeLancer does not have such kind of suicide EULA  :lol:
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game
Post by: Nightmare on August 23, 2019, 01:57:13 pm
We should make standalone patches for all major mods and throw them at every gaming forum in existence.

On the other hand WoD is such a lovely thing and it's being promoted where?
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game
Post by: darkdaej on August 23, 2019, 09:09:43 pm
Well... i think FreeSpace 2 is a different story, because of its EULA issue, what actually allows you to give copies of the game to family, friends and acquaintances.  :D
And we are all one family here on HLP  :rolleyes:

But FreeLancer does not have such kind of suicide EULA  :lol:

Wait, you could actually give COPIES to family?  Not YOUR copy, but COPIES?

The lawyer who wrote that EULA is a cretin...
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game
Post by: deathspeed on August 23, 2019, 10:10:04 pm
That's in the old EULA; it has been superseded. 

https://wiki.hard-light.net/index.php/FreeSpace_2_EULA
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game
Post by: Nightmare on August 24, 2019, 04:16:18 am
Who would've found out whether you're handing the game to other people as long as you don't share it on the internet?
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game
Post by: deathspeed on August 24, 2019, 07:56:51 am
Who would've found out whether you're handing the game to other people as long as you don't share it on the internet?

LOL same as any other game that does not do online authentication i guess.  :)  That's why many games checked for a physical disc even on full installs.  But nearly all commercial games have EULAs prohibiting sharing, or at least not expressly allowing it.  It's still against the terms even if it is virtually impossible to enforce. 

As long as i have been here at HLP the community has taken a hard line against hosting or linking to "unauthorized" means of acquiring content, even during the "dark years" before FS2 became available on GoG or Steam.

Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game
Post by: Nightmare on August 24, 2019, 10:14:55 am
Perhabs it simply would have needed someone to write the DL links under every single YT video and there would be more people on HLP today.
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game
Post by: RizZen on August 28, 2019, 10:17:08 am
Hey i don't have any probs with mods doing their jobs related to copyright content or whatever - but would be nice when you DON'T delete whole romans i have written. It takes much time to write those essays and to me it's really a bad habit - seeing it all got deleted over night - without even a warning.

In my opinion it would have been enough just to take out the links and leave an admin comment... - now my thread topic looks more like a gipsy wrote it - on steroids... more than ever... *grmpfl*

Edit: Actually i'm corresponding with several microsoft workers - but they even don't know about FL in general - yet. I'll keep you informed.

Edit 2: When Microsoft or any other legal right owner lift a finger i would take all content offline - don't worry. I do my thing for free. I do it NOT - to damage game developing organisations reputations neither i wanna damage their financial income in any way. It is a matter of what "point of view" you take... - i don't make a crowdfunging thing - i don't want to enrich myself with my work for Freelancer. The only intentions that led me become a "free" game modder where excitement, my passion and the idea of sharing something for both - poor and rich. In the end of my actions i see only one winner. The owner of Freelancer EULA copyrights. My work keep the game in player's "minds" - it may attract them to play new products in the future. Games like "Star Citizen" (which is actually not more than a beta to me) - will be the winners. The only thing i do is showing companies how I would like to have a game - finished and with working functions - not overloaded with micro-transactions on each corner and fair to be played by anyone. Poor and rich, young and old - doesn't matter. The only thing Freelancers need is "skill" - and effort.
When this is reason to legally offend my work / me in any way i will stop sharing it. Sharing it is just voluntary exercising.

If we can keep it this way i'm happy.
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game
Post by: Goober5000 on August 28, 2019, 03:26:44 pm
:doubt:

Hey i don't have any probs with mods doing their jobs related to copyright content or whatever - but would be nice when you DON'T delete whole romans i have written. It takes much time to write those essays and to me it's really a bad habit - seeing it all got deleted over night - without even a warning.

Hey, I don't have any problems with members creating content - but it would be nice when you DON'T post links to abandonware.  It takes a lot of time and resources to maintain this site, and to me it's a really bad look seeing those links posted - without even a warning.



See how that works?  We are providing a service to you, not the other way around.

Having said that, recall what I said here (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=95809.msg1886582#msg1886582) that we "still have the original post prior to the edits".  You can see it if you want, though I didn't take out anything more than I had to.

We encourage mod creators and creative projects, and we are all impressed with your initiative and what you have made so far.  But try to avoid stepping on any legal toes while you are doing it.
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game
Post by: RizZen on August 29, 2019, 11:08:05 am
Yeah i worked around it. I do not post links to abandonware anymore. Sry for that.

I'm going on with debugging - smt. i obviously can do better than diplomacy. I have although a deep respect for YOUR initiative to give free modders like me a platform to publish. We are one of the last of a kind that is protecting the freedom of information in THIS world. And additionally i was wrong with the "roman" thingy - i found my text blocks later - so i'm although sry for that.

But back to topic: I'm on a good way. The "data infrastructure" of Freelancer gets totally overhauled by me at the moment. The prior reason for that is "anticheat" - i have to implement allot non vanilla material to make the not wanted software that is possibly used by cheaters doesn't work anymore. The minor reason is that the original structure of Freelancer is... - well all in all sorted compared to other games - but you can really see that the team who was developing FL in the past where put into a rush at the end before releasing it 2003. There are many unused, obsolete or unfinished codes and functions. The things that definitely won't be used by the game later will be removed and the existent usable content will be put into an numerical or alphabetical order. That not only makes modding easier in the end - it although stabilizes the whole game.
Actually i bugsolve and do much "design" work. The standalone mod will have a new starting sequence, new main screen & menu - but with vanilla oriented design. The "campaign missions" will be not part of the mod. When you would like to play the original campaign, the original game with widescreen mod for nowadays resolutions is good to use on Windows 10 or below. The modbuilt is designed as open single player and multiplayer mod - only.

Would you like to know more? (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=95797.0)
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game
Post by: Goober5000 on August 29, 2019, 11:36:52 am
No worries.  Appreciate the kind words.

The HLP community has discovered a lot of bugs and shortcuts in FreeSpace over the past years, and I'm sure this is true of many games.  It's good to see someone finding and fixing the Freelancer bugs too. :yes:
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game
Post by: RizZen on August 29, 2019, 12:30:48 pm
Ohh goober5000, i'm not the only one:

1. Starport (https://the-starport.net/) - open FL modding community
2. LancersReactor (http://www.lancersreactor.com/) - The ancestor community from above

and several online modding communities which share their own mods are making Freelancer an even more interesting universe to get in touch with. There are (right now without any release from my side) many great mods available outside. Freelancers are in the luxury position to decide - not only the universe - but although the prefered game mode. PvP - RolePlay - MMORPGstyle is all available. Just discover more information on this board and google search - and you have a wide broad-band of choices & possibilities - all working with newer OS.

Edit: When a freelancer is here who started to play in a MP community of choice it would be nice to be mentioned there when players ask how you came across freelancer - that shows other communities, that i'm trying to help ALL freelancers - not only building an own thing. The own thing will be just another possibility of how it can be played by players.
Title: Re: Freelancer - Original game
Post by: NemokSweft on February 20, 2023, 12:59:14 pm
I used to play this game a lot after work.