You have a strange concept of "discussing" my friend. I did indeed talk about what you put forward, then put forward counter-evidence for my position. I don't know what else would be considered discussion if not that ? No one is yelling....no one is being insulting....etc. etc... so you can't really suggest it was a "Shouting match" or a "rude exchange" - it was a discussion ! How else would one define it ?
And if you feel that if someone disagrees with you on something, that they are "merely dismissing" your point-of-view...well, that's rather narrow-minded of you. I have tried to consistently use some factual in-game evidence for the things I've suggested here.
And as I noted originally...my main point was to ask 4-major questions...none of which had been answered. None of which YOU have even tried to answer yet - ie Vesuvius, Dreadnought, Lexington, Kamekh's, etc.
So it's not as if I've "refuted" or "argued against" what you've said on those topics, because you've not even bothered to address them specifically throughout the course of the thread !
Also...yes, we are dealing with a Sci-Fi (fantasy) subject...but that's a weak-argument for suggesting that we can't know ANYTHING "for sure" about it because clearly it's all made-up-anyways.
In Star Wars (to use another notable Sci-Fi example) - an Imperial Star Destroyer is 1600-meters long (Lucas has said he wanted them to be 1-mile long for sheer effect, but it's also a number that has been consistently stated in all Star Wars books, manuals, stories, sourcebooks, etc. ever since their creation).
For you (or anyone) to suggest "well we can't know FOR SURE how long they are. They might only be 300-meters long....because after all, they aren't REAL ships ...." seems unreasonable. They are the length that they are listed as being and shown as being in the films...why would you suspect they are "tricking you" or "making a number up they don't really believe in" ?
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And you say
"many people offered you sources on which an estimate could be based" - ummm...."many" people ? I don't think so. Mancubus had the most interesting counter-claim by showing a visual picture of the Arrow and a modern Fighter-Jet ... but beyond that, people just mentioned that "The Wing Bible" had such and such length for the Dreadnought...even though this went against the Wing-III manual and a massive volume of in-game-video evidence.
In any case, I think your "many people" claim is unsupported. Maybe 2-3 people.
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Your last point is probably true... the SAGA team is more focused on in-game graphical / techie-type issues. That's fine. I never expected this debate or any of the others we've had here to be strictly about the "game-play" elements - OTHER than my comments on the AMG-turrets never trying to fire at Fighter targets, even when no capital ships were present in the area during a fight.
Most of the stuff I've enjoyed discussing with you guys has been the Universe-of-Wing-type of material / questions / topics. It's probably true that I'm one of the more analytical / numbers-focused ki nd of Wing Fan...who can enjoy greatly the in-game element (which I have repeatedly
Praised the SAGA-Team for making so marvelously in the Prologue !
) ....but also has a strong knowledge-base of the Universe in which the game is set.
For me, flying against a Kilrathi Carrier that I "know" is 920-meters long.... is more "interesting"... than just flying against it and thinking "oh....that must be a big ship...yup...".
Is it NECESSARY to know "for sure" the actual dimensions of any of the these ships ? Not really. But it certainly adds to the Universe and the Sci-Fi's overall credibility if it has some solid numbers for its various elements (ships, planet names, systems, story continuity, etc.).
Anyways. You are a nice guy KK..as are the others here whom I've spoken to. I enjoy talking with you and the others about Wing.