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Offline Sandwich

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Somehow I doubt the server/Bukkit will be updated for 1.8 anytime soon... we can always replace the glass blocks later.
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Actually Jeb, the MC dev, was working with the bukkit team to help them be 1.8 ready last time I read. Probably to ensure servers can get into 1.8 on SMP right away. Also Qaz and RHX want to adapt the server world to smoothly go with 1.8's changes. Probably will go fast. :) Temp glass blocks won't hurt though.
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IMHO it will look better with bluish thruster cone :)
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The lava at least will provide light like an active engine. Maybe use water on the outside layer with glowstone blocks behind them?
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Yeah, a bluish tone is a good idea. So the engine rear will need to be either glass-water-glass-lava-"engine", or glass-water-glass-glowstone-"engine". I'd prefer to still use lava instead of glowstone; it'll keep the glow looking dynamic.

We might need a small grinder at the bottom of the water pane to deal with any squid if they start spawning in there.

For this whole build, keep in mind that although the hull shape is set in, err.. well, stone, really (:p), we still have a huge area to fill in with whatever we want. To that end, I'd love to see form follow function - i.e., let's get in mechanisms we know need to be in certain places first before we fill in the rest with decks. So, the engine, docking ports, gun turret internals, and any large internal areas hinted at by the texture map all should be created first, probably followed by primary corridors and lift shafts, then the internal rail route (encased in a glass tube, remember), and then all the decks, rooms, etc.

If anyone feels like it, see about coming up with some prototype external turret designs we can look over somewhere near basecamp. :) Try to keep them so they work both horizontally and vertically. :p If you really feel adventurous, go measure how big the turrets are on the in-game Fenris and try to keep the turrets that size. :p Bonus points if the beam turret has a hole in the center for lava to flow out of. :D
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I still haven't modified fenris  to fit with the new size requirements >_>
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These ones work really well, layers in order from left to right ( LAYER | LAYER | LAYER etc):

WALL | GLOWSTONE or LAVA | IRON BARS | WATER (with gutter so it will fall only down and not leak out) or ICE BLOCKS
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Ice will melt within a certain radius from glowstone/lava, no?
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Yup... I think it was within 3 blocks. Torches melt ice blocks, too.

 

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Even if obstructed by another layer of blocks?

 

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Just tested that - glowstone-glass-ice melts, glowstone-dirt-ice doesn't. :-/
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Probably with some other materials it might melt, too... Just not a good idea IMO.

 

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We definitely need some restructuring in the engine area, sorry, but it's just not right. The neck connecting the engine block to the middle section is just a square, while in the original fenris, it is more 'rectangular' and the side parts of it slope down. The engine itself has a similar problem, the top seems to be fine, but the sides are definitely too tall and to go as far out to the side as they should.
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Just tested that - glowstone-glass-ice melts, glowstone-dirt-ice doesn't. :-/

I had water between iron bar and ice, might be how it survived.

But the Fenris IS docked after all, wouldn't the engine subsystem be disabled? :lol:
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We definitely need some restructuring in the engine area, sorry, but it's just not right. The neck connecting the engine block to the middle section is just a square, while in the original fenris, it is more 'rectangular' and the side parts of it slope down. The engine itself has a similar problem, the top seems to be fine, but the sides are definitely too tall and to go as far out to the side as they should.

I don't know the ins and outs, but it doesn't surprise me that there are some areas that aren't exact. As soon as qaz/rhx can quarter the Fenris, I'll start on a level-by-level verification of things.
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill

 

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Too much work to be destroyed by a random fighter armed with Hornets :shaking:, better call it a Leviathan :P

 

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Too much work to be destroyed by a random fighter armed with Hornets :shaking:, better call it a Leviathan :P

We could do a side-project to build a couple of Nephilims on a bombing run, on the far side from the rail line, with the first volley of torpedos under way.  It'd be a pretty funny use of Minecraft's rendering distance, since you'd see the cruiser, go inside, and explore, completely unaware that your doom was approaching, until you take a look out of one of the starboard-side windows.

 

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Basilisks are even a higher threat for a Fenris.

 

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Too much work to be destroyed by a random fighter armed with Hornets :shaking:, better call it a Leviathan :P

We could do a side-project to build a couple of Nephilims on a bombing run, on the far side from the rail line, with the first volley of torpedos under way.  It'd be a pretty funny use of Minecraft's rendering distance, since you'd see the cruiser, go inside, and explore, completely unaware that your doom was approaching, until you take a look out of one of the starboard-side windows.

Unless, of course, the Fenriathan has a nice Aeolus cruiser built on that side wiping out all the incoming fighters... :p
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill