[Snail]

It was the Murakami.

Also the Aeolus, you notice, the Aeolus just has a lot of flak, while the Leviathan has more AAA beams. Perhaps the GTVA decided that AAA is better than flak, and went and said that the Aeolus is 'undergunned' by other cruisers (hardly ).

[jr2]

It was the Murakami.

Also the Aeolus, you notice, the Aeolus just has a lot of flak, while the Leviathan has more AAA beams. Perhaps the GTVA decided that AAA is better than flak, and went and said that the Aeolus is 'undergunned' by other cruisers (hardly ).

... how hard would it be to retrofit the flak cannons with AAA?  I'd think it'd be worthwhile... unless they had another ship that already filled the Aeolus' role perfectly that had AAA already included.  If even the Leviathon cruiser was fitted with beam cannons, I'd think an Aeolus would be a prime target for overhaul.

[Snail]

You think Command has the capacity to do that?

[Turey]

It was pointless to keep Aeolus with smaller survivability in GTVA philosophy of war.

I can take out a Deimos in a bomber, easy. It's much harder to kill an Aeolus with bombers.

[Snail]

True actually. Mainly because the Aeolus throws all that Flak at you which makes it difficult to acquire lock.

[MP-Ryan]

True actually. Mainly because the Aeolus throws all that Flak at you which makes it difficult to acquire lock.

Yeah, but a heavy fighter with Tempests and a Maxim can make short work of an Aeolus if it can get close enough (which is what wingmen are for ), whereas a Deimos is much harder to take out with the same loadout (though it can be done).

Herc II = Maxim + Tempests = dead Aeolus.  The trick is knocking out the flak cannons on the starboard side, followed by the engine subsystem.

[Snail]

Yeah, bombers are slow, and flak is excellent against slow targets.

[IceFire]

IMHO Aeolus wasn't mass-produced because of:
- cost
- wrong desing (like 75% of GTVA warships )
- unnesseserity.
During IIGW Command wanted to replace all cruisers with corvettes. It was pointless to keep Aeolus with smaller survivability in GTVA philosophy of war. After Capella everything changed, GTVA left with no fleet and learnt that classical iron fist strategy simply won't work with Shivans. There would be probably also lots of pirates over there. With no decent fleet GTVA must change strategy. I bet Aeolus would be redesinged and put back to duty as full-AF and less expensive ship which would be effective against pirates.

None of that is canon information.  Nowhere in the game does it mention the Aeolus as too expensive, the wrong design, or being unecessary.  That was the point of this discussion.  In a hypothetical discussion those would all be valid points.

[Commander Zane]

I say it's just perfectly dandy otherwise what's the point of putting a completely flawed clunker-junker in a game?

[Bob-san]

You mean the Fenris, Zane? That thing is a clunker-junker... quite useless everywhere. The only thing it's good for is swarming corvettes or destroyers... they can't hit anything else with the main beam. The fusion mortar (iirc) is the only good thing on the ship... its not placed particularly well; either the beam or the mortar can hit a ship easily.

The Aeolus is extremely effective against anything AI. No ship stands a chance against the player, save the Big C or Sath... it's quite nearly impossible to destroy either without serious help. I couldn't do it with about 60 ships for fighter escort and 40 ships as bombers. It took forever to disable and disarm everything... the AI killed it self (unscripted Kamikaze) so often... it was sickening.

[Iron Wolf]

IMHO Aeolus wasn't mass-produced because of:
- cost

There's that whole cost thing again...

[AlphaOne]

The only reasonable asumption for the Aeolos production beeing stoped is the introduction of the Deimos corvette and the somewhat stupid plan IMO of the GTVA to replace the cruiser class with the corvette class. That is just stupid. You can not alocate an entire corvette like the Deimos to guard or patroll some backwater sistem which is a job that can be done by something far smaller . But then agin 60 or so corvettes seems a lot of good powerfull ships for the GTVA.

But I still believe the Aeolos to be a very efective and a proven death machine for fighter/bommber pilots.

[Mars]

The United States Navy recently announced that they plan to replace all their Oliver Hazard Perry frigates with Ticonderoga Cruisers...

 

[AlphaOne]

What are those and why do i get the feeling it was a joke? Sory Mars i'm not up to date with these kind of things.

[Mars]

A frigate is a small naval vessel for escorting things

A cruiser is a large naval vessel for destroying things

You can figure it out from there.

[AlphaOne]

What the.....is the USNavy planning on starting a world war or something? cuz if the picture I have in mi head is corect then that is one huge bad *** cruiser fleet ! 

Btw how many frigate class vesells does the USNavy have 50 or 60 or...how many? I'm just curios!

Geez the Romanian navy has just 2 (I think)! *sad* such a small fleet ! *even sad*

[Mars]

50... and look at the bright side, at least your country isn't famous for being a power hungry arrogant SOB.

[Admiral Nelson]

The Ticonderoga class cruiser has been out of production for more than a decade.  No one wants any more of these designs.  The OHP frigates are to be replaced by about 55 Littoral Combat ships, vessels only slightly larger than the OHPs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Littoral_combat_ship

[Mars]

Well... shows how much I know.

That's a cool boat

[Commander Zane]

You mean the Fenris, Zane? That thing is a clunker-junker... quite useless everywhere. The only thing it's good for is swarming corvettes or destroyers... they can't hit anything else with the main beam. The fusion mortar (iirc) is the only good thing on the ship... its not placed particularly well; either the beam or the mortar can hit a ship easily.

The Aeolus is extremely effective against anything AI. No ship stands a chance against the player, save the Big C or Sath... it's quite nearly impossible to destroy either without serious help. I couldn't do it with about 60 ships for fighter escort and 40 ships as bombers. It took forever to disable and disarm everything... the AI killed it self (unscripted Kamikaze) so often... it was sickening.

You're right, but ships like the Fenris, Aten, and Cain were made to serve as cannon fodder for eyecandy. It even says on the tech room that they're poorly built and horribly outdated (I think).