[colecampbell666]

He looks to be using the 3.6.7 MVPs. (mv_cell, mv_textures) or a combination of both. mFuSE, delete the files in the mediavps folder, and download the new 3.6.10b MediaVPs.

[chief1983]

Right, he's having problems, so tell him to get known broken beta files.  I would suggest getting the 3.6.8zeta VPs myself.  Unless people ask for normal maps and general prettiness.  Plus this _is_ the 3.6.9 release thread.

[colecampbell666]

There isn't anything wrong with the betas, what are you referring to?

[mFuSE]

He looks to be using the 3.6.7 MVPs. (mv_cell, mv_textures) or a combination of both. mFuSE, delete the files in the mediavps folder, and download the new 3.6.10b MediaVPs.

nearly correctly, i still have the original Freespace2 .vp files
i know in every readme is recommended to remove them - but in windows xp everything worked perfectly with it.

which should i remove? if i remove all vp Freespace won't start anymore...

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12.11.1999  10:41         6.406.235 root_fs2.vp
18.10.1999  13:31       123.125.814 smarty_fs2.vp
28.10.1999  01:39       260.562.763 sparky_fs2.vp
28.10.1999  01:45       265.242.014 sparky_hi_fs2.vp
02.11.1999  19:29       153.911.164 stu_fs2.vp
18.10.1999  13:50       195.887.233 tango1_fs2.vp
18.10.1999  13:51        72.778.161 tango2_fs2.vp
18.10.1999  13:51        50.497.261 tango3_fs2.vp
18.10.1999  13:52       118.858.128 warble_fs2.vp

Try switching to generic software for your audio (audio tab of the launcher).

sadly didn't help
But i tried to close the logitech software - and it makes a difference:

Now the screen turns 3 times black with one mouseclick 
so maybe it also a problem with the mouse input device?

As an interesting side note, I'd recommend using a 4:3 resolution instead of 1680x1050, since

a widescreen resolution + 3.6.9 = graphical oddities.

But it's up to you. If you can live with the wandering suns and such, be my guest.

yes, this is a problem
But - running Freespace SCP only @ 1280*1024 is much worse 

[chief1983]

There isn't anything wrong with the betas

[karajorma]

nearly correctly, i still have the original Freespace2 .vp files
i know in every readme is recommended to remove them - but in windows xp everything worked perfectly with it.

Only total conversions like Wing Commander Saga and The Babylon Project can run without them. I very much doubt you'll find readmes telling you to remove them.

[Jeff Vader]

which should i remove? if i remove all vp Freespace won't start anymore...

cole meant the ones that have either mv or mp at the beginning of the file name. The MediaVPs. You might have an odd set of them so removing them might help. After that I would recommend getting the 3.6.8 Zeta MediaVPs (not to be confused with the 3.6.9 build). The release thread is stickied on the FreeSpace Upgrade Project board.

yes, this is a problem
But - running Freespace SCP only @ 1280*1024 is much worse 

As I said, 4:3. 1680x1050 is 16:10 and 1280x1024 is 5:4. Any resolution with an aspect ratio of 4:3 works flawlessly (like 1024x768). You could also get one of the experimental 3.6.10 builds that support widescreen resolutions but that might also be a hassle.

[mFuSE]

cole meant the ones that have either mv or mp at the beginning of the file name. The MediaVPs. You might have an odd set of them so removing them might help. After that I would recommend getting the 3.6.8 Zeta MediaVPs (not to be confused with the 3.6.9 build). The release thread is stickied on the FreeSpace Upgrade Project board.

a ok.
That can be, i always "upgraded" my freespace by installing the new stuff on the old one   
But it worked perfectly since the 3.6.9 came out (running under WindowsXP) :/

The 3.6.10 stuff was installed in a new subdir, so it shouldn't be a problem with this.

As I said, 4:3. 1680x1050 is 16:10 and 1280x1024 is 5:4. Any resolution with an aspect ratio of 4:3 works flawlessly (like 1024x768). You could also get one of the experimental 3.6.10 builds that support widescreen resolutions but that might also be a hassle.

ehm yes 
The "problem" is, a small 4:3 resolution on a widescreen monitor doesn't look fine. The black bars left/right aren't very comely either  is it a stretched screen.

[colecampbell666]

Delete all the files in the mediavps folder.

By This:

The 3.6.10 stuff was installed in a new subdir, so it shouldn't be a problem with this.

What do you mean? Did you put the MediaVPs in the new dir? The .EXEs?

[mFuSE]

What do you mean? Did you put the MediaVPs in the new dir? The .EXEs?

No, the exe are still in the root freespace2 folder, the 3.6.10 MediaVPs are separated in an own subfolder:

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G:\FreeSpace2>dir MediaVP
 Datenträger in Laufwerk G: ist games
 Volumeseriennummer: 5458-8383

 Verzeichnis von G:\FreeSpace2\MediaVP

13.05.2008  13:56    <DIR>          .
13.05.2008  13:56    <DIR>          ..
13.05.2008  14:02    <DIR>          data
30.12.2007  02:20       418.578.498 MV_AdvancedEffects.vp
30.12.2007  02:18       625.393.405 MV_Assets.vp
30.12.2007  02:15        13.120.027 MV_Core.vp
30.12.2007  02:23       124.952.716 MV_Effects.vp
19.07.2007  02:58        79.769.297 mv_music.vp
               5 Datei(en),  1.261.813.943 Bytes

The Freespace2 root Folder is a little bit crowded

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G:\FreeSpace2>dir
 Datenträger in Laufwerk G: ist games
 Volumeseriennummer: 5458-8383

 Verzeichnis von G:\FreeSpace2

14.05.2008  19:52    <DIR>          .
14.05.2008  19:52    <DIR>          ..
14.05.2008  19:52    <DIR>          .manifest
24.03.2007  01:08         9.400.028 ancients1.ogg
24.03.2007  01:08        11.902.795 ancients2.ogg
24.03.2007  01:08         2.227.555 ancients3.ogg
24.03.2007  01:09         9.248.684 ancients4.ogg
24.03.2007  01:09         6.048.853 ancients5.ogg
26.10.1999  23:07        35.637.782 BASTION.MVE
24.03.2007  01:12        17.688.477 bastion.ogg
07.05.2008  02:47    <DIR>          BtRL
26.10.1999  15:41        83.388.218 COLOSSUS.MVE
24.03.2007  01:14        42.419.559 colossus.ogg
24.03.2007  01:09        12.732.567 commandbrief.ogg
13.05.2008  13:20    <DIR>          data
24.03.2007  01:10        34.231.418 endgame.ogg
13.09.1999  23:25        83.254.536 ENDPART1.MVE
24.03.2007  01:14        38.604.423 endpart1.ogg
26.10.1999  23:06        43.984.802 ENDPRT2A.MVE
24.03.2007  01:14        10.558.108 endprt2a.ogg
26.10.1999  23:05        43.963.654 ENDPRT2B.MVE
24.03.2007  01:15         8.375.052 endprt2b.ogg
13.05.2008  14:18            17.276 errorlog.txt
05.11.1999  10:47         2.981.888 FRED2.exe
28.10.2007  00:15         3.190.784 fred2_open_3_6_10-20071028T.exe
28.10.2007  00:14        10.494.048 fred2_open_3_6_10_debug-20071028T.exe
12.01.2007  00:12         3.330.048 fred2_open_3_6_9.exe
12.01.2007  00:13        11.210.849 fred2_open_3_6_9_debug.exe
03.11.1999  11:09         1.146.880 FreeSpace2.exe
24.03.2007  01:11        37.441.956 fs1_intro.ogg
03.11.1999  11:01         2.318.336 FS2.exe
15.09.1999  13:53           208.955 fs2uninst.dll
14.05.2008  19:52             1.787 fs2_open
14.05.2008  19:52             1.802 fs2_open-debug
14.05.2008  19:52        20.672.968 fs2_open-debug.bin
14.05.2008  19:52         4.114.256 fs2_open.bin
14.05.2008  19:52             4.407 fs2_open.png
28.10.2007  00:14         3.301.376 fs2_open_3_6_10-20071028T.exe
28.10.2007  00:14         7.587.098 fs2_open_3_6_10_debug-20071028T.exe
12.01.2007  00:11         3.534.848 fs2_open_3_6_9.exe
12.01.2007  00:11         8.611.799 fs2_open_3_6_9_debug.exe
14.05.2008  19:20        21.215.896 fs2_open_d-20071028
14.05.2008  19:20         3.842.728 fs2_open_r-20071028
24.03.2007  01:12        29.048.705 hallfight.ogg
07.05.2008  02:31    <DIR>          Installer
26.10.1999  15:45       205.252.206 INTRO.MVE
24.03.2007  01:24        73.672.930 intro.ogg
24.03.2007  01:12         8.607.183 lab.ogg
13.03.2008  19:14           266.240 Launcher.exe
14.05.2008  04:26               472 launcher6.ini
14.05.2008  19:52    <DIR>          lib
13.05.2008  13:56    <DIR>          MediaVP
06.04.2008  21:51    <DIR>          mediavps3.6.9
26.10.1999  15:47        61.605.812 MONO1.MVE
24.03.2007  01:18        21.421.535 mono1.ogg
26.10.1999  15:49        55.612.204 MONO2.MVE
24.03.2007  01:20        12.121.759 mono2.ogg
26.10.1999  15:51        53.939.080 MONO3.MVE
24.03.2007  01:22        15.653.411 mono3.ogg
26.10.1999  15:52        59.796.474 MONO4.MVE
24.03.2007  01:25        23.125.109 mono4.ogg
25.03.2007  15:21                95 motd.txt
14.05.2008  04:26    <DIR>          OLD
30.07.1999  08:52           171.520 patchw32.dll
31.08.1999  01:08                94 pxo.url
22.10.1999  03:48            24.385 readme.txt
12.11.1999  10:41         6.406.235 root_fs2.vp
18.10.1999  13:31       123.125.814 smarty_fs2.vp
28.10.1999  01:39       260.562.763 sparky_fs2.vp
28.10.1999  01:45       265.242.014 sparky_hi_fs2.vp
31.08.1999  01:08                79 squadwar.url
02.11.1999  19:29       153.911.164 stu_fs2.vp
18.10.1999  13:50       195.887.233 tango1_fs2.vp
18.10.1999  13:51        72.778.161 tango2_fs2.vp
18.10.1999  13:51        50.497.261 tango3_fs2.vp
07.05.2008  02:31    <DIR>          temp
25.03.2007  15:21           100.258 Uninst.isu
14.05.2008  19:52             1.700 uninstall
05.11.1999  10:49           278.528 UpdateLauncher.exe
18.10.1999  13:52       118.858.128 warble_fs2.vp
              69 Datei(en),  2.506.865.048 Bytes

i wanted to try the linux version ... but i didn't got very far :/

So i installed the current ubuntu and downloaded the java autoinstaller .... after choosing the installation dir it says it is outdated and need to update, if i say yes it opens the website "null.com" .... which looks obviously wrong ...

So i tried the normal installer which worked perfectly - but .. i can't start the game .... it says "unkown command "-normal"" 

[Jeff Vader]

Oh dear...

07.05.2008  02:47    <DIR>          BtRL

You should not mix FSO and BtRL with each other, since doing it results in pain and misery.

24.03.2007  01:08         9.400.028 ancients1.ogg

That and the rest of the FS1 cutscenes should be somewhere else. If you're planning on playing FSPort, then in \freespace\fsport\data\movies.

So i tried the normal installer which worked perfectly - but .. i can't start the game .... it says "unkown command "-normal"" 

Sounds like you have -normal asa command line option. Which is good, as long as you've selected a build that supports the parameter. So, what build are you trying to use? 3.6.9? -normal only works on some 3.6.10 builds.

[colecampbell666]

First of all, rename the MediaVP folder to "mediavps".

Put all of the .OGG files in fsport\data\movies

Put all of the .MVE files in FreeSpace2\data\movies

Delete the following files:

• fs2uninst.dll
• fs2_open.png
• lib <directory>
• motd.txt
• pxo.url
• squadwar.url
• temp <directory>
• uninst.isu
• uninstall

Also, there are no 3.6.9 MediaVPs, I assume you mean the 3.6.8z ones.

Move the BtRL directory to somewhere else.

What's in the "OLD" and ".manifest" directories?

[Jeff Vader]

Put all of the .OGG files in fsport\data\movies

No. Note that there are also files such as bastion.ogg and colossus.ogg there.

See the Wiki on what cutscene is from what game and act accordingly.

[colecampbell666]

Didn't see those. Could you post a screenshot of your FS2 folder? It's easier to see stuff that way.

[mFuSE]

Oh dear...
You should not mix FSO and BtRL with each other, since doing it results in pain and misery.

okee ... it doesn't run anyway - same problem as freespace2 with the screenblinking ...

That and the rest of the FS1 cutscenes should be somewhere else. If you're planning on playing FSPort, then in \freespace\fsport\data\movies.

No. Note that there are also files such as bastion.ogg and colossus.ogg there.

See the Wiki on what cutscene is from what game and act accordingly.

i think this one are for fs 1:

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ancients1.ogg
ancients2.ogg
ancients3.ogg
ancients4.ogg
ancients5.ogg
commandbrief.ogg
fs1_intro.ogg
hallfight.ogg
lab.ogg
the rest so fs2..

First of all, rename the MediaVP folder to "mediavps".
Put all of the .OGG files in fsport\data\movies
Put all of the .MVE files in FreeSpace2\data\movies

done ^^

Also, there are no 3.6.9 MediaVPs, I assume you mean the 3.6.8z ones.

i can't remeber, it is quite a while since i installed it :/

Move the BtRL directory to somewhere else.
What's in the "OLD" and ".manifest" directories?
...
Delete the following files:

• fs2uninst.dll
• fs2_open.png
• lib <directory>
• motd.txt
• pxo.url
• squadwar.url
• temp <directory>
• uninst.isu
• uninstall

ehm, that are the files for the linux version of freespace2 - yes i installed it today into my existing freespace folder 
old is gone, in .mediavps is the xml file for the linux version.

Didn't see those. Could you post a screenshot of your FS2 folder? It's easier to see stuff that way.

bevor the cleanup:
http://mfuse.ads-gilde.net/bilderarchiv/upload/fs2_folder_old.png

current:
http://mfuse.ads-gilde.net/bilderarchiv/upload/fs2_folder_current.png

Sounds like you have -normal asa command line option. Which is good, as long as you've selected a build that supports the parameter. So, what build are you trying to use? 3.6.9? -normal only works on some 3.6.10 builds.

I'll have to look under linux how i start it. (but that by tomorrow )


Thx for your patience and help ^^

[colecampbell666]

First of all, disregard what I said about the .OGG and .MVE files. Delete them all, and then download the FS2OGGCutscenePack from the installer.

Second of all, delete every file with a red dot. If it has a green dot, it means that you should delete it if it isn't Linux stuff.

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[mFuSE]

First of all, disregard what I said about the .OGG and .MVE files. Delete them all, and then download the FS2OGGCutscenePack from the installer.

Second of all, delete every file with a red dot. If it has a green dot, it means that you should delete it if it isn't Linux stuff.

ok ^^
But the quality of the ogg is quite amazing - so i keep them until i see the "new ones" from the pack, just to to play safe


ok, pxo and squadwar doesn't exist anymore, so i really can delete it
The green files/folders are the linux files, they shouldn't affect the windows version.


There are still some old files from the orginal freespace2 installation, they shouldn't affect the scp version, do they?
http://mfuse.ads-gilde.net/bilderarchiv/upload/fs2_folder_current_withlinu.png

[Jeff Vader]

But the quality of the ogg is quite amazing - so i keep them until i see the "new ones" from the pack, just to to play safe

Actually, they're the same files. You just have them separately, whereas the pack has them in a .vp file -> easier to use. But you might as well keep those and save some bandwidth by not downloading the pack. Actually, you could move them to \freespace2\data\movies.

There are still some old files from the orginal freespace2 installation, they shouldn't affect the scp version, do they?
http://mfuse.ads-gilde.net/bilderarchiv/upload/fs2_folder_current_withlinu.png

If you mean the ones that have been circled, the fs2_open builds won't do anything unless you specifically use them. So they won't cause problems. Not sure about the .bins and the two folders but I guess they're harmless as well. But if you want to be safe, just move them away from the Freespace 2 folder.

If you mean the vp files at the bottom of the screen, you'll definitely need them. So don't do anything evil to them.

[mFuSE]

But the quality of the ogg is quite amazing - so i keep them until i see the "new ones" from the pack, just to to play safe

Actually, they're the same files. You just have them separately, whereas the pack has them in a .vp file -> easier to use. But you might as well keep those and save some bandwidth by not downloading the pack. Actually, you could move them to \freespace2\data\movies.

mm yes, but so i can watch them directly under windows too

I put the "old" mve files under "\FreeSpace2\data\movies", the new ogg in "\FreeSpace2\mediavps\data\movies"

There are still some old files from the orginal freespace2 installation, they shouldn't affect the scp version, do they?
http://mfuse.ads-gilde.net/bilderarchiv/upload/fs2_folder_current_withlinu.png

If you mean the ones that have been circled, the fs2_open builds won't do anything unless you specifically use them. So they won't cause problems. Not sure about the .bins and the two folders but I guess they're harmless as well. But if you want to be safe, just move them away from the Freespace 2 folder.

If you mean the vp files at the bottom of the screen, you'll definitely need them. So don't do anything evil to them.

I just tried both variations ^^
moved them and started debug-version ... and keep them and started again ... the result looks pretty the same :/


I think scp is doing quite well, it must be a major problem with the 3d stuff itself - because the retail version from Homeworld 2 shows exactly the same behavior like freespace2 scp. That can't be a hap?

Starting the Retail Freespace 2 under Vista64 doesn't work btw:
http://mfuse.ads-gilde.net/bilderarchiv/upload/freespace2_retail.png

I have to enable the compatibility option "run as windows XP SP2"
But then work Freespace2 Retail perfectly - and it doesn't have the "blink" disturbance as Freespace2 scp have

[Jeff Vader]

I put the "old" mve files under "\FreeSpace2\data\movies", the new ogg in "\FreeSpace2\mediavps\data\movies"

It would suffice to just have the oggs in \freespace2\data\movies, since there is no noticeable difference between the mves and the oggs, but the mves take this much more disk space *stretches hands really far apart*.

moved them and started debug-version ... and keep them and started again ... the result looks pretty the same :/

Umm, have you tried a non-debug build? Debug builds are sure to give errors, since that's what they're used for: searching and pinpointing errors that occur. They'll even show error reports of incidents that do not actually affect gameplay and are not shown by normal builds.

I think scp is doing quite well, it must be a major problem with the 3d stuff itself - because the retail version from Homeworld 2 shows exactly the same behavior like freespace2 scp. That can't be a hap?

Vista, and especially a 64bit Vista, can easily have issues with running games. I have no other suggestions than to make sure that your drivers are up-to-date. Or maybe try compatibility modes for the builds and the Launcher.