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Eishtmo:
Actually, a working type thing.  Since we're already delving into ancient Terran history (the U War, which is not canon), might as well try doing something with the Vasudans.

Let's start with what we know of the Vasudans.

1)  They're an Empire, ruled by an Emperor.
2)  They're homeworld is a desert that was barely habitable in the first place.
3)  Technolgoically, they're on par with the Terrans.
4)  They're very like Terrans in many ways.
5)  They're religious.
6)  They had a parliament.
7)  Said parliament was dissolved by the Emperor.
8)  The Imperial government has existed for nearly 10,000 years.
9)  Vasudan tactical doctrine is willing to sacrifice power for volume (the Mekhu).
10)  Despite being woefully inferior, the Vasudans continued to use the Anubis fighter for years on the grounds that it was "cheap to produce."
11)  Vasuda Prime is intensly resource poor.

Okay, that's enough.  Not all of these will come into play in this thing, but they might.

Let's start with the age of the Empire.  10,000 years is a long time, a very long time, so we can safely assume that it has not ruled the whole of Vasuda for that entire time.  There is no evidence to establish when the Vasudan parliament was created, however given that the Emperor was able to effectivily dissolve it, one could say that it probably wasn't very long before the 14 Year War, at most two or three generations.  The reasoning here is that if Khoson (or however you spell his name) did not have the idea in his head that he could be absolute ruler of the Empire, say from hundreds of years of being the way things are, he might never have even considered dissolving it.  However, if his grandfather had been an absolute ruler, he might easily approve of the idea.  So the parliament was likely formed in the recent past, perhaps two generations prior to Khoson taking the throne.  We're looking at less than one hundred years prior to the war.

With that in mind, let's explore a little about how the Vasudans likely expanded from Vasuda.  First, the world they live on is resource poor, especially when it comes to water.  This likely kept the population of the planet in check, making it easier for one Emperor to rule it all (backing the idea that parliament is a recent creation).  Now, what happens if, say the government loops a comet, with its vast resources of ice, into orbit.  The price of water drops, and the population explodes.  An exploding population without an exploding availability of jobs leads to poverty.

Poverty plus religious nature does not necessarily lead to religious uprisings, but it could.  Vasudan tactical doctrine, which dictates volume over power, seems to indicate that it did.  After all, would you rather a big gun that would insta kill one enemy every second, or a small gun that would knock down 10 every second, when a hoard of religious nutjobs willing to die for their cause come running at you?

Okay, now what's the Emperor to do with all these people he never had to deal with before.  Artificially raising the price of water might work, but that could kill millions.  More humane solution:  Get them off the planet.  Now there is no evidence to say that the Emperor was humane except for the fact that there still is an Empire and not a smoldering pit of what was once a race.

Now, this is all before subspace (ancient, ancient history), but it sets up what happens next.  With the limits of light speed, the Emperor's absolute rule no longer applys to the distant colonies, so they're ruled by governers.  NOTE:  The Emperor, with even our level of technology, could easily rule the entire planet of Vasuda.  Okay, so the governers kind of get used to their remote status, the ability to rule themselves if you will.

Then subspace is discovered.  While I can't argue this with any backing, I suspect the Vasudans might have discovered inter subspace with intra.  At the moment that's neither here nor there, just my thought on that.  It does, however, make one wonder why they hadn't (according to my 14 Year War timeline) discovered Antares earlier.  My only explination is that the node to Antares is way out there, farther than most of the Vasuda colonies, and thus just plain missed.

With subspace, any absolute ruler worth his salt would start pushing for greater control over the far flung colonies, which they probably don't like.  Relativily independent colonies plus new technology plus absolute ruler trying to use technology to gain more control over colonies equals civil war.

Likely, the colonies formed the parliament and began waging war against the Emperor.  Who knows how long this went for or how it went, but eventually the economy, which was already shaky to begin with, probably collapsed and forced both sides to the table.  The result was a deal between the Emperor and the parliament which formed the Parliamentary Vasudan Empire (or the other way around if you like, both are correct).

Now, given that the Emperor was able to later dissolve the parliament, it must be reasonable to assume that the power was divided more or less equally between the two parties.  A shrewd ruler could, with a little positioning, lead the Vasudan people as a whole to believe that 14 years of warfare and losing the homeworld was the result of the parliament screwing up.  This gave him enough leverage to remove parliament and reestablish absolute rule.  In other words, the war was, in part, prolonged by one man (Vasudan) wanting to do things his way.

Well, that's a start.  Any other opinions?

Taristin:

--- Quote ---11) Vasuda Prime is intensly resource poor.
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And the entire goal of Vasudan space exploration was to gather resources, was it not? Sort of like Japan in World War 2, then?

Correct me if I'm not understanding this...

As the empire expanded to other worlds, and new 'governers' began taking control, they had their own 'Unification War' to rebel against Khonsu? Then they managed to ally together, form a government with eachother, then with Khonsu. Found the Terrans, engaged in a war, and when it became clear that they were not going to succeed, the 'Vasudan people' rebelled against the parliament and restored Khonsu to the throne?

Ace:
During the restoration period, it is safe to assume that there was a rebellion to reinstate the Imperial bloodline into power (Khonsu II being the heir) Khonsu II was also very pro-terran and his administration consists of master economists as despite loosing their homeworld (as did the Terrans by loosing the node to Sol) the Imperium did not suffer the same economic hardships at the GTA or the Terran blocs.

Part of my dislike of the unification war as a concept for the Terrans is because the GTA and GTVA are just that, alliances. The GTVA is simply a group of formal treaties brining together the Terran blocs and the Vasudan Imperium, while the GTA is probably a similar alliance since the colonies so quickly consolidated themselves into the blocs after contact with Sol and the main body of the GTA was lost. (lack of trust in the old GTA treaties was also inspired by the Hades Rebellion)

If there was a unification war, it should have been contained in Sol and the GTA was formed out of necessity due to off-world exploration, claims, and to prevent conflict. If anything a "Unification War" would have been a cold war between several superpowers in Sol that might have led to groups secretly supporting terrorists, pirates, etc. which then had to come to an end before it escallated too far. (Like Independence War) A cold war like this as opposed to an all out war matches well with the summary mentioned on your site.

Anyway that wasn't the tangent I wanted to go on, back on the main topic :p

In FS2 it is mentioned that the Parliament was known for its corruption, it seems generally agreed here that a small group of people held control over the wealth and power of the Vasudan people under the guise of a 'democracy.'

Probably the old Imperium united the Vasudan people, and shortly before (a generation or so) contact with the Terrans it was overthrown by the Parliament, probably claiming they were freeing the people from kings. Like the communist revolution they became as corrupt as the government before.

Khonsu II during the reconstruction however was able to play on the shakened beliefs of the Vasudan people, and rallied them behind him and promised a new future. He's Aken Bosch, but not genocidal.

If anything, the mindset shown of the Vasudans is very similar to communist Russia "quantity is a quality of its own" and so modeling the Parliament after it would be a good idea.

The GTA makes more sense as a loose alliance as opposed to a true government, it is NATO.

StarGunner:

--- Quote ---Originally posted by Ace
During the restoration period, it is safe to assume that there was a rebellion to reinstate the Imperial bloodline into power (Khonsu II being the heir) Khonsu II was also very pro-terran and his administration consists of master economists as despite loosing their homeworld (as did the Terrans by loosing the node to Sol) the Imperium did not suffer the same economic hardships at the GTA or the Terran blocs.

Part of my dislike of the unification war as a concept for the Terrans is because the GTA and GTVA are just that, alliances. The GTVA is simply a group of formal treaties brining together the Terran blocs and the Vasudan Imperium, while the GTA is probably a similar alliance since the colonies so quickly consolidated themselves into the blocs after contact with Sol and the main body of the GTA was lost. (lack of trust in the old GTA treaties was also inspired by the Hades Rebellion)

If there was a unification war, it should have been contained in Sol and the GTA was formed out of necessity due to off-world exploration, claims, and to prevent conflict. If anything a "Unification War" would have been a cold war between several superpowers in Sol that might have led to groups secretly supporting terrorists, pirates, etc. which then had to come to an end before it escallated too far. (Like Independence War) A cold war like this as opposed to an all out war matches well with the summary mentioned on your site.

Anyway that wasn't the tangent I wanted to go on, back on the main topic :p

In FS2 it is mentioned that the Parliament was known for its corruption, it seems generally agreed here that a small group of people held control over the wealth and power of the Vasudan people under the guise of a 'democracy.'

Probably the old Imperium united the Vasudan people, and shortly before (a generation or so) contact with the Terrans it was overthrown by the Parliament, probably claiming they were freeing the people from kings. Like the communist revolution they became as corrupt as the government before.

Khonsu II during the reconstruction however was able to play on the shakened beliefs of the Vasudan people, and rallied them behind him and promised a new future. He's Aken Bosch, but not genocidal.

If anything, the mindset shown of the Vasudans is very similar to communist Russia "quantity is a quality of its own" and so modeling the Parliament after it would be a good idea.

The GTA makes more sense as a loose alliance as opposed to a true government, it is NATO.
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Great job! that makes sence alot. This would also fit the the Ref Bible for FS1, that the War started out in a show of arms/Non fireing but show of power, I think it could of been dune by both sides, and that the bible said that they share the same fears. One could say that they both played a part in the start of the 14 year War.

This is all linked to what you said and that the both sides when they first met would of for the most part be happy to find another rase like them, but there would be a small amount of people that would fear change and this could of led to a small take over of the to factions standing guverments Ala see the anime Gundam Wing they had a faction that took over in just a few months, and seeming as this is space it would be ok to say that when the show of power was dune by both sides, small parts of the two fleets under the fear of change could of been taken over easly and then they would of shot at one another, thus the rest would fallow sute.

And so my cuncultions are that both sides are to blame for the starting of the war, and that we as inperfect life forms should model it after that Idea. The Bible said that, and I quote: "Freespace is more than just a War jurnal. It's a reallistic look at the sacrifices one must be willing to make for the sake of our speaciss.

Eishtmo:
I agree SG, both sides are to blame for the war.  They likely did it for their own, internal issues that had little to do with territory, ideology, xenophobia or anything else.  Basically, it's a buch of corrupt politians starting a war to get votes and money.

One thing I want to clear up.  In my eyes, the Emperor was never removed from power, he gave up about half his power to the parliament.  Khonsu (thanks for the spelling BTW) was the Emperor during the end (and probably the bulk of) the 14 Year War.  He held actual power, and used it to try to debunk the parliament who played the "I'm a democracy" game against him.  It was only after the Great War did Khonsu have enough popular support (not necessarily a rebellion, mind you) to try to dissolve the parliament.

As for the economic issue, I don't think he had super economists on his side.  What helped the Empire recover was the fact that Vasuda Prime was a dump.  It had little of value, so most industry moved both off planet and out of system.  When Vasuda Prime was vaped, it was an emotional shock, but not a serious economic one.  On the other hand, Sol was the center of Terran science and industry, and without it the GTA barely had a leg to stand on.

Now on to arguing the U War, again.  A Cold War is actually the perfect description of the events leading up to the discovery of the node and the start of the war.  With the discovery of the node, by only one Solar nation (as the current U War storyline is set, and something I don't think you would know), events moved in such a way that it went hot, launching the U War itself.  The war ends when the various nations kind of realize that it isn't working and form the GTA.

That's the problem you have with the Unification War, I think, is the name.  'Unification' implys 'conquest,' but this isn't how the war ended.  If anything, its probably more like how you want it than you know.  We're still shaking out the details of course, but let's get past the U War already, it's making my head hurt.

Sorry I didn't reply earlier, I was busy at a funeral.  Later.

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