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Offline Goober5000

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The end is in sight for Silent Threat: Reborn.  We only have to FRED one more mission and tweak a few others, and then we can submit it for voice acting.  Basically what we're working on right now is what happens when the Hades shows up, and why it ends up crashed on the planet in Deneb in the FS2 intro. :D

That's not the point of this thread, though. ;) The reason I'm posting this poll is because Galemp and I were having a heated discussion last night about what kind of beams to put on the Hades.  Here's a summary of the two positions (fyi, there are five beam emplacements on the ship):

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Option 1: Use 5 LuciferBeams
The Hades has Shivan Super Lasers in the original Silent Threat ship table.  Since we replaced the Lucifer's Shivan Super Lasers with LuciferBeams, we should do the same for the Hades.  The original Silent Threat table description says that the Hades is an attempt to recreate the Lucifer, so it stands to reason that they would copy much of the existing Lucifer technology to do it.  There are Shivan Turret Lasers all over the Hades, so why not LuciferBeams also?

The opposing position states that the GTI isn't copying the beams but rather making new ones based on what they know.  To counter that, this position asserts that there wasn't enough time to re-design the beams, since the Great War only occurred over the space of a few months.  Generally, acquiring new technology involves three steps: 1) copying the tech; 2) re-engineering the tech; 3) designing brand new tech.  Certainly, by the time FS2 rolls around, the GTVA would be at stage 3.  But in the FS1-era, when the Shivans had only just arrived, the GTI would only have time to be at stage 1.

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Option 2: Use 2 TerSlashes, 2 LRBGreens, and a BGreen
The beam weapons used on the Hades were entirely Terran, using technology adapted from the Shivans. They are unique weapons and not direct copies of the Lucifer's; once the principle of how they worked was developed the Terrans developed their own beam cannons using the same techniques. It's not as if the beams were salvaged from the Lucifer then built into a new ship.  The Kayser was based on Shivan weaponry, but it wasn't a Shivan weapon.

When the GTA captured the Dragon fighter, they couldn't get the Shivan weaponry to operate, so they had to jury-rig it together.  The beams were developed the same way: observe how the Lucifer's beams work, and try to build your own beam that does the same thing.


We'd like to ask the general HLP populace for their opinion on this.  I can't guarantee that the outcome of the poll will affect our decision, but it always helps to get more information.  And it's extra publicity, too. :D So vote!
« Last Edit: August 29, 2004, 02:12:29 pm by 561 »

 

Offline Gloriano

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I was thinking why not something beam that fits to Era, power full
but it can't shoot often or Ship reactor collapses as for Color
Gold

but Lucifer beam works too
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Offline Night Hammer

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Well since its an attempt to remake the the Lucifer i say go Shivan.
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Offline magatsu1

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it should have unique beams IMO. Not FS2-era beams 'cos they're the military standard at the time, and not Lucifier beams 'cos no way could the GTI replicate Shivan technology to the same standard as the originals.
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Offline Antares

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The version of the beams used should depend on how you intend the mission to play out.

For example, if you stick to the original ST canon, the only non-GTI battleship present in Secrets Revealed was the GTC Orff.  If this doesn't change in ST:R, you should stick with the LuciferBeams.  The Hades could grease the Orff as a display of its sheer power, leaving the loyal Terran pilots to destroy the warship before it has a chance to escape.

If, however, you intend to create more of a "Battle of Endor" type scenario--I.E., multiple friendly warships Vs. the Hades--it would be a better idea to go the route of Terran weaponry.  This would allow the Hades to fire at multiple targets without immediately destroying them, making for a more prolonged, more enjoyable battle.  This choice also allows for the possibility of AAA turrets for use when all the fighters and bombers are zooming around the Hades, something I'm assuming wouldn't be possible if it used exclusively Shivan weapons.

On a vaguely-related note, how is the Port version of the Ross 128 mission you did going?  I never got it to work with FS, even on my new system, and I really wanna be able to play it. :(
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Offline redmenace

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of course they couldn't replicate the technology. however they had mastered it to some small extent. remember that the hades was based off of shivan tech of course and they were reading shivan signals from it as well.
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Offline Goober5000

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Balance is not an issue; the armament is nearly the same in either configuration.  In both cases, just one beam shot will fry a cruiser.

I'm putting the ported version of Ross 128 off until SCP FRED is fixed.  I finally completed the Import FSM Mission menu option, but I can't use it with FRED in its current state. :sigh:
« Last Edit: August 29, 2004, 03:16:25 pm by 561 »

 

Offline Lightspeed

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Green.
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Well, if the anti fighter cannons stay red i say keep the beams red. If not, likwise then.

 

Offline Hippo

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I say the Lucy beams...
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Offline IceFire

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Red Lucifer beams.  If they were able to copy the Shivan pulse weapons technology off the Lucifer than the beams would be the same thing.

I would expect their efficiency to be somewhat degraded.
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Offline Kie99

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Maybe the GTI could actually improve the LucyBeams to BFRed standard?
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Offline Flaser

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What about yellow/orange beams?



The reason is that its wavelenght is closer to the red used by Shivans, so it will be unique and also implies that it is not yet the not as powerfull but more flexible terran green or an actual replica of the superpowerful red of the Shivans.
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Offline Kosh

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I vote Lucifer Beams. It has Shivan lasers, so why not beams?

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why it ends up crashed on the planet in Deneb in the FS2 intro


The FS2 intro also shows Ursa bombers in that battle, which should not even exist at that time, so it is no big deal to me if it is a *little* inconsistent.

Personally I think that the Hades just took a wrong turn. :p
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Offline Ransom

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Vote 1 Lucifer!

 

Offline Striker

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It seems like someone who was designing the opening was talking to his buddy:
Guy 1: "Ohh I got it!"
Guy 2:"Got what?"
Guy 1:"Put in the Hades crashed!"
Guy 2:"That wasnt in Deneb though."
Guy 1:"It'd be cool though. They wont notice."
Guy 2:"..."......."Yeah that'd be awesome!!!!11!!1"
Guy 1:"1337!"

...Yeah as for me, I wonder how the hell it got there. I say greens.  Makes more sense to me.
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Offline Trivial Psychic

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I voted "Other", though if there was no such option, I would have selected the LuciferBeam.  I would submit that GTI managed to capture some examples of the Shivan beam weapons, completely intact, early in the great war, possibly even before the Ross 128 attack.  They had examined the technology in great detail and were already working towards creating their own native beam weapons.  This research would be recovered after the collapse of the GTI, and eventually go towards the development of beam weapons for the GTVA, towards FS2 era.

As non-rogue elements of GTI were beginning to uncover the rogue elements' plans, they decided that they would need the technology sooner rather than later.  While they couldn't create their own beam weapons at this point, they went with an option of arming the Hades (which was basically completed and just awaiting the proper armament) with what Shivan beam weapons they had acquired.  These beams would need Shivan power conduits and reactors (or whatever). in order to function properly.  GTI had acquired some of these when they stole the beam weapons, but had to secure some more, which was part of the reason that they were conducting operations in Ross 128, which was a main Shivan staging area during the height of the great war, and contained alot of Shivan supplies.  With all these systems acquired and grafted into the Hades, it necessitated them to mount all-shivan weapons... no Terran weapons.  For this reason, the electronics signatures of the ship showed up as Shivan.

As for the Hades' beam arragement, I vote that they only captured 3 working examples of the LuciferBeam, but also got some lighter beam weaponry, either AAA weapons or perhaps a slash-variant of the Luciferbeam, with dammage factors akin to the SRed, which occupy the other 2 beam emplacements.

Its a little involved and may conflict with your pre-established plotlines, but that's my take on it.  Maybe I've deciphered YOUR plot. ;7

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Offline Goober5000

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LuciferBeams are actually somewhat yellow:

Sesquipedalian designed them to mimic the appearance of the Shivan Super Lasers.

 

Offline Vaelinx

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Not having played ST:Reborn, you can feel more than free to take my opinion with a grain of salt (though I am very much looking forward to palying it)...

I'd say go with a weak Lucifer Beam (weak either/or in strength and fire rate)...  As they sound not quite Terran redesigned beam technology, but Terran reverse engineered (as much as could be) copies of Shivan beams...
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Offline übermetroid

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How about look yellow, but not as strong?  Unless the GTI found and captured a Lucy where they stole the beams from.
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