[Cobra]

Hm.

3.6.10 doesn't seem to like one of the Vishnan ships in "The Great Preservers."

Assert: sip->subsystems[j].model_num == sip->model_num
File: ship.cpp
Line: 15659


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This is the last error it gives before failing to respond. Using Nightly Build 5063.

Other errors include 3.6.10 errors about effects missing LODs and ships not having subsystems linked to the models or not being named properly.

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[Snail]

I think its going to bog-down in a massive stalemate where no-one really wins and the GTVA is forced to concede Earth's independence.  Remember what Khonsu II said: "In the future, it will not be said that Earthborns fight like Vasudans, but that Vasudans fight like Earthborns."  Earth has one major advantage in all this.  They are fighting for their homes, and the GTVA has to deal with the fact that its military is made up of members of the Lost Generation.  50% of the initial GTVA forces defected to the UEF after the GTVA declared war.

True that. The GTVA don't have loyalty or morality on their side.

[terran_emperor]

So basically the GTVA is pulling a Gaeta on Earth...

Hell i'd go got Earth

[eliex]

In a straight fight the GTVA would clearly win against Earth - having battle-hardened pilots on their side, considerably advanced technology compared to Earth and lacking compassion to the enemy like Earth has. (Remember a picture from BP website "What will happen of us when the Elders find us pillaging GTVA freighters like common brigands?" or something similar)

Also with the loyalty of the pilots on each side, I highly doubt that every single one of the Sol pilots will continue to fight with their homes. Clearly, there are always cases of desertion, defection and betrayal - but I guess the GTVA would do it too. However, not for the Vasudans.

Finally it's not like the GTVA is fighting to utterly destroy Sol and it's people - simply trying to gain control over it. I'm sure that even the Sol-born can recognize that, so it's not like they will exactly fight as if their lives depended on it. If there was a chance to surrender and life, I'm sure they would take it.

[Krelus]

There's an old saying, one peasant fighting for his homestead is worth ten armored knights, or some such.

Allow me to put it another way. Say, for example, that China decided to "take control" of America. I am a total wuss, and I hate hurting people. However, if my nation (not necessarily me, just my nation's organization, society and governing structure) was at risk from a powerful enemy and faced imminent destruction, I would practically run to the recruiting post. In war, volunteers don't fight for personal reasons (usually), they fight because they believe in something bigger than themselves.

[Dilmah G]

In war, volunteers don't fight for personal reasons (usually), they fight because they believe in something bigger than themselves.

QFT

[Androgeos Exeunt]

In war, volunteers don't fight for personal reasons (usually), they fight because they believe in something bigger than themselves.

You obviously know Samuel Bei Cheow Keng very well.

[Droid803]

Well, there are some who go like 'REVENGE!!!', but the GTVA would have absolutely no reason for that.

[Androgeos Exeunt]

Well, I guess that makes both the GTVA and UEF worth fighting for then.

[wingzero1]

Does anyone else here think that some of the fighter and capship designs REALLY resemble ships from the game starlancer? as for the "why are the GTVA and UEF fighting?" debate, the GTVA seems concerned only with maintaining their status as military and political leaders in the galaxy. if they all of a sudden joined back up with Sol then they'd have to cede power back to earth which they (seemingly), being selfish bastards in general, dont wanna do. so they just decide to go in with an invasion fleet to either,

A) make it seem like they are the aggressors to the UEF which would make the UEF fire first which would mean the GTVA would then be acting in self defense

or

B) just decide to flat out invade Sol to eliminate the problem

as for military might they would be at a stalemate although if that stalemate were ever broken the GTVA would win no matter what barring a massive revolt from the GTVA. Sol does have the advantage in terms of infrastructure but only just barely. Sol never got attacked by the shivans during the GW whereas the GTVA did. Sol also didnt have to deal with the second coming of the shivans and the subsequent displacement of several billion(?) people all at once causing a HUGE economic strain. However Sol doesnt have the economic backing of another allied sentient race as well as 30+ planetary systems with which to draw natural resources from. So basically Sol has had a more solid infrastructure in place for longer than the GTVA but the GTVA has a massive amount of natural resources with which to draw on for a war effort.

As for the military aspect of the conflict, the GTVA has vastly more ships than Sol does (or at least they should with having to police and show force in that many systems). They could both blockade the jumpgate on both sides making an assault by either side a literal bloodbath. However if the GTVA were ever able to punch a hole in Sol's defences, it would be like turning on a water tap full blast into a small balloon, Earth would be screwed. But if Sol were to somehow break the blockade on the GTVA side they wouldnt have enough of a fleet or the manpower needed to take control of the galaxy from the hands of the GTVA. They would manage to take a few border systems but that would be it. Once the GTVA reserve fleets arrive their sheer numbers (again having that much open space to govern means you have to have a considerable reserve fleet to call upon) would annihilate the UEF. I see one of three outcomes,

1) UEF manages to hold their defense line for so long a time that the GTVA gives up trying to invade earth and finally recongizes their independence

2) The stalemate is broken and Sol is defeated

3) A massive rebellion within the GTVA (as was said in a few other posts) due to morality issues with GTVA high command switch the balance of power in the UEF's favor which they in tern use to take control of the galaxy from the "corrupt" GTVA.

but darius has said we are in for a nice surprise so all of the above could be complete and utter BS 

just my little .02 

[Wobble73]

If I was the UEF Iwopuld be highly suspicious of the GTVA. Look at their known history, after a 14 yr war, which is a long war,  a sudden treaty, a new enemy, then suddenly cut off from the rest of the galaxy by some of their own and the Vasudans for thirty years. I think I would forgive the UEF of being very suspicious of the GTVA when the suddenly show up in their back yard.

I've been thinking of a new campaign/mod that occurs like Blue Planet, but the UEF have become paranoid and corrupt over the number of years they have been isolated from the rest of the GTVA. They have intergrated as much technology the could obtain from the Lucifer and other Shivan tech they could obtain, including software, that thay themselves become as xenophobic as the Shivans. So when the GTVA finally re-establish contact with Earth, they unleash an unholy wrath worse than the Shivans themselves, the UEF become the new Great Destroyers, taking up the purpose and drive the Shivans once held themselves.

And that's my 2 cents worth!

[Dark Hunter]

I think I would forgive the UEF of being very suspicious of the GTVA when the suddenly show up in their back yard.

Especially when they do so with a full invasion force.

[terran_emperor]

I've been thinking of a new campaign/mod that occurs like Blue Planet, but the UEF have become paranoid and corrupt over the number of years they have been isolated from the rest of the GTVA. They have intergrated as much technology the could obtain from the Lucifer and other Shivan tech they could obtain, including software, that thay themselves become as xenophobic as the Shivans. So when the GTVA finally re-establish contact with Earth, they unleash an unholy wrath worse than the Shivans themselves, the UEF become the new Great Destroyers, taking up the purpose and drive the Shivans once held themselves.

And that's my 2 cents worth!

I would love to see that. Though i wouldn't say the Shivans are Xenophobic...Xenocidal maybe, but we know so little about them that labeling them Xenophobic is not appropriate at this time

[Snail]

Xenophobic? Pah. They ain't scared of us.

[Dilmah G]

I think I would forgive the UEF of being very suspicious of the GTVA when the suddenly show up in their back yard.

Especially when they do so with a full invasion force.

 

[Krelus]

I'd totally play that "Earth Alliance As New Destroyers" campaign, that seems like a pretty awesome idea.

I also had something else to say here, but I kinda forgot what it was since my chair just buckled in half and is now a twisted heap of metal. I think someone upstairs is telling me to lay off the muffins >.>

[Spoon]

Woooh just finished this campaign but damn it was riddled with bugs...
Most links to patches and such are dead so no help there. Had to get the mod.ini to get the effects working in the first place. Then I couldn't continue the campaign cause after the mission where you board the duke(wounded prey), the cutscene wouldn't return my hud controls to me. Had to continue playing with the almighty ctrl+shift+s cheat in the tech room. Then the mission the great preservers pretty much crashes when started. Also had a crash when you get to woop the luci with your new friends but on a second try was able to complete that after all. And finally after destroying the big bad Sathy I couldn't get my ship to dock. I explored every possible corner of the docking bay, it just wouldn't finish the mission.

aaaaside from that. Really loved the ships. Such beautiful capships! Liked the plot. Was afraid for a second it would drift off into the spiritual realm but thankfully it didn't. Effects were good as well, making capship battles really neat to look at.
Missions in general were good (bugs etc aside) though I was constantly wondering why they figured it was a good idea to run away from the shivans by going into a completely unexplored node and doing so by arriving and departing one by one! That was kinda stupid really.
Well... what more can I say? Bring on BP2?

[Dilmah G]

Were you playing with 3.6.10 exes?

[General Battuta]

Just press shift-O if your  HUD is gone and it should come back.

[Jeff Vader]

And The Great Preservers tends to crash with 3.6.10 builds, but it does work with 3.6.9.