[TrashMan]

agreedd...get back on topic..

the Collie doesn't stink! Only terran beams do!

[Liberator]

So you're saying the C wouldn't have sucked so bad with Vas beams?

[Kie99]

Don't be stupid.

[Dark RevenantX]

The BVas beam is stronger than the BGreen beam, but much weaker than the BFGreen and LRBGreen beams.  In general, Vasudan beams are better than Terran beams.  Vasudans are too stupid to create their own superbeam, which would be better than LRBGreen.  Terran beams have the worst refire rates.  Vasudan beams aren't as powerful as Terran beams, but they fire faster.  Hell, a LRed is better than a LRBGreen!  You can fire up to five LRed shots before you get hit by a BFGreen!  It is odd, LTerSlash beams are better than SGreens!  For such a weak beam, you would expect a fast reload.  Sadly, it reloads the slowest in the whole game.  45 seconds is horrible!

The Mjolnir theory would work; Mjolnirs are more damaging than BFGreens.  Mjolnirs have the shortest beam reload in the whole game.  Why would a terran beam reload so quickly?  The world may never know!

[TopAce]

Yes, I also noticed that the Mjolnir beams are good.

[NGTM-1R]

Remember, folks, that the BFGreen and LRBGreen are supercharged BGreens. The Colossus' standard armament according to the tables is BGreens. Presumably, the BVas can be supercharged in the same way the BGreen can.

This also means that, technically, an Orion or a Hecate could fire BFGreen/LRBGreen shots, since it's only a supercharged BGreen.

[TopAce]

Yes, those beams are only used in High Noon.

[Kie99]

Why didn't they just put Mjolnirs inside the Colossus?

[TopAce]

Because did not want it.

[Black Wolf]

I reckon its got to do with cooling. Mjolnirs are open to space and can cool easier, so the can refire faster. Plus they'd have an independent powerplant.

[karajorma]

Not to mention the fact that a mjolnir beam only fires at targets directly in front of it. You'd either need to devote an enormous amount of internal space to moving the beam or keep moving the Colossus itself in order to target anything.

Originally posted by ngtm1r
This also means that, technically, an Orion or a Hecate could fire BFGreen/LRBGreen shots, since it's only a supercharged BGreen.

Presumably the Colossus had bigger heat sinks that allowed it to supercharge in that fashion. A hecate might get off a shot in that way but would probably wipe out a large portion of the ship in the process.

[Dark RevenantX]

If the Colossus had Mjolnirs in place of BFGreens, then it could pose a threat to the Sathanas in a 1v1 duel.

[FireCrack]

If the colossus had mljnors it could pose a threat to the whole sathanas fleet.

[NGTM-1R]

Originally posted by karajorma
Presumably the Colossus had bigger heat sinks that allowed it to supercharge in that fashion. A hecate might get off a shot in that way but would probably wipe out a large portion of the ship in the process.

I doubt the damage would be that catastrophic, but they'd probably burn out the weapon in four or five shots. Beam cannons seem more likely to fall into the "failure=meltdown" category then the "failure=explode"

[Dark RevenantX]

Apparently, my more tested and lengthy version of my calculator thing gives the Colossus 1108 points at normal mode, compared to the 222 points of an Orion.  The Sathanas, however, only has 1580 points.  Mjolnirs would make the Colossus unstoppable if used correctly.

[IceFire]

Colossus = Big Thumbs Up

Was designed to:
- Defeat Lucifer class destroyers
- Defeat other Shivan destroyers in number
- Boost the economies of the Alliance (20 year construction project is a big thumbs up to all the companies involved)

Pit the Colossus against 4-5 conventional destroyer class vessels plus bomber waves....all by itself...and it will still win.  Its not armed to take on one large ship...the Sathanas is...all its guns are arranged forward.  The Colossus was designed for broadsides...it can litterally wade into the middle and take out everything smaller than it that moves.

[Dark RevenantX]

Yes, the Colossus can take on ships with a total with more points than it.  All it has to do is destroy a few, then the points of the remaining ships total something lower.  Still, Taking on five Orions with no problem is pretty damn good!

[phatosealpha]

I've been thinking a bit, and part of the problem is that Freespace 2 is very much a compendium of the most unimpressive moments of the collosus.

The sixth wonder:  It warps in and blows up a deimos.  It blows it up quick....but heck, a hatshetup did that in the very first mission.

The mission after that is just a resupply mission, and it doesn't even show up in time to blow the cruiser to kingdom come.  Joy.

The next mission we see it is the last of the bomber squadron missions where it annihilates an Orion that tries to crash into it.  This would've been more impressive if the two missions before it didn't both involve your puny inexpensive bomber squadron annihilating Orions.  And cruisers and corvettes and just about everything else in the universe.

The we don't see it again till high noon, where it caps the Sathanas.  Which would've been real real impressive - if it hadn't come directly after bearbaiting, where you (pretty much alone, since your wingmen are useless) turn the said Sathanas into a giant paperweight and then blow up a Demon class destroyer just cause you're alpha one and you can.

Then you get their finest hour, where they sit back and let the cruisers and fighters do the work till they take out one Ravana (and you take out one yourself earlier in the game, so its not too too impressive) then blow up.

They really could've given the big C some more action where it's actually impressing us, y'know?

[FireCrack]

Well, practicaly every other command group you head somthing like

"The Colossus destoyed the 2nd NTF fleet"

"The colossus destroyed a shivan destroyer group and escort"

[phatosealpha]

That's kind of the point firecrack.  It's like "The collosus just annihilate the entire NTF fleet and blew up Epsilon Pegasi, just for good measure.  But you weren't there.  Now it's gonna shoot 2 fighters and a bomber.  go defend it."

FS2 really could've done a better job hyping up the big C.