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Offline Colonol Dekker

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Re: Kerbal Space Program or "Rocket science is harder than it looks"
I've seen it on a let's play (breaking the sound barrier) I think.
Campaigns I've added my distinctiveness to-
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-Inferno R1
-Ribos: The aftermath / -Retreat from Deneb
-Sol: A History
-TBP EACW teaser
-Earth Brakiri war
-TBP Fortune Hunters (I think?)
-TBP Relic
-Trancsend (Possibly?)
-Uncharted Territory
-Vassagos Dirge
-War Machine
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Re: Kerbal Space Program or "Rocket science is harder than it looks"
Mechjeb is awesome. Parts suck tho. Tons of mismatched **** all over. What happened with Sunday's Punch pack? i've seen the silisko **** and the nova-something remix but they are so... full of fail its hilarious.
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Re: Kerbal Space Program or "Rocket science is harder than it looks"
Punch pack is part of Novapunch remix now.
Campaigns I've added my distinctiveness to-
- Blue Planet: Battle Captains
-Battle of Neptune
-Between the Ashes 2
-Blue planet: Age of Aquarius
-FOTG?
-Inferno R1
-Ribos: The aftermath / -Retreat from Deneb
-Sol: A History
-TBP EACW teaser
-Earth Brakiri war
-TBP Fortune Hunters (I think?)
-TBP Relic
-Trancsend (Possibly?)
-Uncharted Territory
-Vassagos Dirge
-War Machine
(Others lost to the mists of time and no discernible audit trail)

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That one time I got permabanned and got to read who was being bitxhy about me :p....
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Re: Kerbal Space Program or "Rocket science is harder than it looks"
not all of the parts and especially not the more wacky engines and such. and it feels so disconnected.
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Re: Kerbal Space Program or "Rocket science is harder than it looks"
Just learned about the "fuel bug" and used it to fly this ship all the way to the Mun:



Note that this is the ship I launched from KSC with. Half of the fuel in one "regular-size" fuel tank was enough to get me all the way to a Mun touchdown. Would have had plenty of gas to get home (or anywhere else) if I hadn't tried to fly the thing through a nearby arch instead (as it turns out, this kills the Kerbal).



Hope they fix this in the next release, messed up fuel dynamics like this suck my enjoyment out of the game. :(




 

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Re: Kerbal Space Program or "Rocket science is harder than it looks"
fuel bug?
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Offline Sushi

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Re: Kerbal Space Program or "Rocket science is harder than it looks"
fuel bug?

Basically, as you go from 100% throttle to 0% throttle, thrust scales down linearly. But fuel consumption scales down quadratically.

At 100% throttle, you consume fuel at 100% normal rate.
At 50% throttle, you consume fuel at 25% rate. (.5 * .5)
At 10% throttle, you consume fuel at 1% rate. (.1 * .1)

Keep your throttle at bare minimum levels, and fuel consumption rate is basically 0, giving you practically infinite fuel. And with a ship this small, you never need more than about 10-15% throttle even for takeoff or a mun landing...

 

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Re: Kerbal Space Program or "Rocket science is harder than it looks"
lol, fail.
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Re: Kerbal Space Program or "Rocket science is harder than it looks"
Sure that's a bug?  sounds kind of reasonable to me, except at the absurdly low throttles.
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Offline Herra Tohtori

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Re: Kerbal Space Program or "Rocket science is harder than it looks"
It makes no sense at all.

Thrust of a rocket can be defined as follows:

F = dp/dt

p = mv

m = mass of propellant

v = ejection velocity of propellant

t = time.


Usually, it is the velocity that is of interest to us. However, it can be said that within the operating propellant flow rates of the rocket, the ejection velocity of the propellant is more or less constant and defined by the operating principles of the engine.

For example, ejection velocity from chemical propellant rocket engines is defined by (oversimplifying a bit) the chemical potential energy in the propellants. For reference, see Wikipedia article about liquid rocket propellants. The flow rate of the propellants affects this comparatively little, so instead of the typical expression

F = m dv/dt  (or F = ma)

we can use the following form:

F = ve dm/dt

where ve is an approximately constant ejection velocity. Of course, there can be some variation at different thrust levels depending on engine design - typically they have an optimal performance range which they are designed to operate on.

Further inspection of the term dm/dt reveals it is basically the flow rate of the propellant - how much mass is ejected out of the engine per unit of time.


This, essentially, means that within their operational range, most rocket engines have a linear relation between thrust and fuel consumption.



Of course, most rocket engines are also unable to operate at arbitrarily small thrust settings, when the minuscule propellant flow basically just scatters out into the combustion chamber, not generating sufficiently high concentration for ignition. While the small amount of propellant flowing through the nozzle would in fact provide small thrust, this would be extremely wasteful from energy perspective, as the ejection velocity would be very slow, and none of the chemical potential of the propellants would be used at all. It would be about as effective as a constant slow leak on the tanks.

Hypergolic rockets of course require much less fuel flow to function due to the volatility of the propellants, making them ideal for RCS thrusters and in-flight course corrections; the Apollo CSM engine for example was a bipropellant hypergolic engine built for reliability.

Ion engines, of course, would be scalable by retaining high voltage, but regulating the propellant flow to arbitrarily small values. This would  be reasonably simple to do, and would provide a fully linear thrust response curve.


Ideally, chemical rockets in KSP should have a set "lowest possible" thrust rate enabled at 1% throttle, an optimal burn rate at around 75-80%, and maximum power at 100-120% for emergencies.

But they haven't even introduced fuel/oxidizer division yet; every engine acts as a monopropellant - which considering kerbals I wouldn't really be surprised by them using some insanely toxic and corrosive stuff as their main rocket propellant...
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Re: Kerbal Space Program or "Rocket science is harder than it looks"
More to the point, it's a confirmed bug the devs said they'd fix. :p

 

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Re: Kerbal Space Program or "Rocket science is harder than it looks"
This bug gives me ideas.......Ideas for a vessel comprised primarily of Turbojet engines.
Campaigns I've added my distinctiveness to-
- Blue Planet: Battle Captains
-Battle of Neptune
-Between the Ashes 2
-Blue planet: Age of Aquarius
-FOTG?
-Inferno R1
-Ribos: The aftermath / -Retreat from Deneb
-Sol: A History
-TBP EACW teaser
-Earth Brakiri war
-TBP Fortune Hunters (I think?)
-TBP Relic
-Trancsend (Possibly?)
-Uncharted Territory
-Vassagos Dirge
-War Machine
(Others lost to the mists of time and no discernible audit trail)

Your friendly Orestes tactical controller.

Secret bomb God.
That one time I got permabanned and got to read who was being bitxhy about me :p....
GO GO DEKKER RANGERSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Kerbal Space Program or "Rocket science is harder than it looks"
Fly me to the mün...


We are on it :D


and, we also made it back. mechjeb is awesome. i couldnt do **** otherwise in regards to getting to the mun. the only half-manual thing was the deorbit to kerbin. and i was running on vapors by that point but i managed to land the lander near ksp center.
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Re: Kerbal Space Program or "Rocket science is harder than it looks"
i think im going to try to land a kerbal on minmus with the jet pack.
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Re: Kerbal Space Program or "Rocket science is harder than it looks"
Am I the only person who thinks that there should be a memorial wall/monument/mountain/planetoids with the names of all the dead Kerbals we sent to their fiery demise?
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Re: Kerbal Space Program or "Rocket science is harder than it looks"
Am I the only person who thinks that there should be a memorial wall/monument/mountain/planetoids with the names of all the dead Kerbals we sent to their fiery demise?

Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb

...you get the idea.
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Re: Kerbal Space Program or "Rocket science is harder than it looks"
Oh, come on.  Jeb had to have taken Bill and/or Bob out with him on at least a few occasions.

 

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Re: Kerbal Space Program or "Rocket science is harder than it looks"
Am I the only person who thinks that there should be a memorial wall/monument/mountain/planetoids with the names of all the dead Kerbals we sent to their fiery demise?

Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Jeb Bill Bob

...you get the idea.
Fixed it...

 

Offline Colonol Dekker

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Re: Kerbal Space Program or "Rocket science is harder than it looks"
Firespawn will tell you, my "DOOM PLATFORMS™" are heavy contributors to the rise in Kerbal mortality.

My first solar-satellite :D (fondly remembers)

For the record, anyone who's seen BAttle LA, the Aliens heavy fliers, .......... Pretty much my DOOM PLATFORMS™.
Campaigns I've added my distinctiveness to-
- Blue Planet: Battle Captains
-Battle of Neptune
-Between the Ashes 2
-Blue planet: Age of Aquarius
-FOTG?
-Inferno R1
-Ribos: The aftermath / -Retreat from Deneb
-Sol: A History
-TBP EACW teaser
-Earth Brakiri war
-TBP Fortune Hunters (I think?)
-TBP Relic
-Trancsend (Possibly?)
-Uncharted Territory
-Vassagos Dirge
-War Machine
(Others lost to the mists of time and no discernible audit trail)

Your friendly Orestes tactical controller.

Secret bomb God.
That one time I got permabanned and got to read who was being bitxhy about me :p....
GO GO DEKKER RANGERSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Kerbal Space Program or "Rocket science is harder than it looks"
Firespawn will tell you, my "DOOM PLATFORMS™" are heavy contributors to the rise in Kerbal mortality.

My first solar-satellite :D (fondly remembers)

For the record, anyone who's seen BAttle LA, the Aliens heavy fliers, .......... Pretty much my DOOM PLATFORMS™.

Currently on the prowl from KSP WMD mods.

If you hit it and it bleeds, you can kill it. If you hit it and it doesn't bleed...You are obviously not hitting hard enough.

Greatest Pirate in all the Beach System.

Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.