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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => FS2 Open Coding - The Source Code Project (SCP) => Topic started by: Zeke on February 07, 2004, 10:09:25 am
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I've never played FS or FS2, but -have- recently pre-ordered the 20th anniversery edition. I can't wait to play this game! I used to love Wing Commander 3 and 4, Mechwarrior 2 etc. While reading some forums on Freespace 2, I saw where FS2 Open will let me play without disk-swapping and use hi-res textures etc for my Ti 4200 128 card (w/athlon 2000+, win 98). Sooooo- I FTPed all the files from Karajorma's Freespace Oracle site (thx!) and the "latestrelease.exe" and the launcher from the FSSCP site. But I'll be danged if I know where to put them all or what to click on to get the whole she-bang installed and running. What am I missing? I've been reading all the FAQ's I come across and trying to catch up on HLP forums and HOTU, FSSCP and more but there's still alot to learn. I'm guessing that I gotta somehow actually have a retail install going for me, and this FSO stuff is just to overwrite/supplement a directory path that already exists. Aye? Nay? If so, it would prolly be useful to mention this on all these aforementioned sites, so clueless noobs like me can figger thangs out a lil quicker about what all's up. I clicked the launcher from the desktop folder where I saved it, and that didnt install anything, nor did the latestrelease.exe when I clicked it. Dunno how it would know where my HOTU files were saved, but it was worth a shot, heh.
With respect, I think yall old-timers here (and elsewhere) forget how confusing all this is for peeps like me, and take for granted anyone reading this stuff knows something about how to start doing this from scratch. Mebbe step back a lil bit and see the forest instead of the trees, aye? Somewhere back around the release of Windoze 95, the puter bug-hunting, hoop-jumping section of my brain got completely burnt out, and doesn't work good anymore. College courses in Studio 3D Max, ElectricImage, PShop and more didn't help that situation much. Now I just like to click setup.exe, then when all the things on the screen stop making motion, click on whichever desktop icon looks newest, and start blowing things up. If that fails to work, I just go back to playing Everquest a while...
Anyway, /rant off.
BTW, in addition to the already DLed files I mentioned, I DID see the sticky where the newest links to files of dif kinds is posted, if that helps.
TIA for any help from square 1,
Zeke
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Yes, you are probably correct there, we do get so involved with the game that we can sometimes mention things like vp's or tables etc, and forget that theres a possibility someone doesn't know what we are talking about ;)
Your best bet to start off is to read Karajorama's FAQ on the Freespace Open project, that will probably help a lot.
If you have the download files from the Oracle then you should have all the files you need to play Freespace.
With the SCP, there is a FAQ done by karajorama (check the bottom of one of his posts, theres a link), if I tried to explain here, I'd probs just confuse you more ;)
Anyway, you'll find most people here will be glad to help you, so just hang on in there ;)
Oh Yes :-
:welcome:
Flipside :D
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assumeing you have a working install,
simply download the latest FSO build and the latest launcher build, place them in your root FS direcory, run the launcher then run the FSO exe (either from the launcher or simply directly from the exe) if you get an error about a video string missing, you didn't run the launcher or it didn't save to the registry (you probly had some other program running)
once you have the FSO build running you then need to get some of the new media VPs, simply place them in the root FS directory and run the game
finaly you will need to use several comand line options to activate most features, ether useing a shortcut or from the launcher add
-htl -jpgtga
at the very least.
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I don't actually have much on the SCP in my FAQ cause I've been waiting for everyone else to put one together so I can link to it. I need to update my links to the Wiki cause most of the SCP info is on there.
Zeke I'm afraid you do need a copy of FS2 before you can use FS2_Open. If you grabbed a copy off of HotU you're in luck cause apparently the link has just been removed (otherwise you'll have to wait until you get your copy). If you do have the HotU version tell me and I'll tell you exactly what to do with it.
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Zeke, the thing is, we all talk about it assuming that everyone knows, because the vast majority knows ;) Most everybody here has been around for more than a year, so we are kind of apathetic to the new guys :)
But, if you check out Kara's tutorial, that should bring you quite up to speed. Good luck, and welcome to HLP! :D
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click the link under my name, and scroll down to the SCP link. it ought to help.
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Wow u guys are fast! Thx for the speedy replies, I like u guys already heh.
Flipside- thx, I had already read Kara's faqs, as well as most stuff on his website. It is all very informative, to be sure, once one gets a toehold on what's happening. Kudos a-plenty to Kara. I'm sure I will understand more of what I read there in the fullness of time. TY for your encouragement Flipside.
Bobboau- VERY helpful info there, TY. It does shed some light. I had read somewhere about switches to type into the launcher, and now I have these you gave me too. I also liked Kara's tut about the Dword registry hacks for bigger textures. Good stuff. I'm trying to read as much as I can so when I get my copy of the game I can hit the groud running. Hurry Interplay!!!
Karajorma- WOOT! TY and great job I can see you and your buds doing! As I say, yes, I got all the files on your site FTPed ok. I did it last night while I was at work. But didnt you just say I still need the retail version of FS2 installed to use your files? I have to wait til my pre-order of it comes in from Interplay then. Well, at least I found out that much. A little less head scratching. I can be reading the forums and doing my homework til then. I hope it gets shipped soon. Hell, I've spent HOURS already just reading joystick reviews to find one that can be recalibrated proper (how do they overlook something like that, sheesh!) and is built fairly well, with good software to program buttons. I don't think my old Gravis Phoenix thing with its DOS software and weird throttle would cut it heh. (or would it, with Win 98?)
I liked the page that has links to all viewers and what to do with them. As for using Truespace to make models with, is there a special reason for it over other freeware progs like Now3d or Gmax? I bet I would like GMax since I have worked with (but no longer have) Studio Max 3D, and GMax is like Studio Max Lite heh. And free too! I haven't done ANY modeling in a couple years tho, no time. But in college I DID do a pretty sweet lil flyby dogfight shot of a custom Shadow-type ship (ala Babylon 5) for my Studio Max final. I couldn't -quite- come up with a realistic procedural for those awesome shifting hull patterns tho bah. But my ship design was deadly awesome. I called it the "Spectre" class. Anyway, I ramble, sorry.
Are HOTU files compatible with FSO files from other peeps? I read (somewhere) that the FS2 open executables are somewhat different, from the two main camps. If I have that right...
Unknown Target and Kasperl- Cool, I been checkin that stuff out. Good stuff.
Thx again for the quick responses and encouragement, everyone. I am an old burnout who prolly only has 3 or 4 genius brain cells left. But I have a feeling it would be worth using them up to figure out how to get this thing happening. But I won't say bye to my Everquest pals untill the new FS2 copy ships out from Interplay :) I can't wait!
Zeke the Geek
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Zeke. If you have the HotU download (from the get FS2 for free image link at the bottom of my FAQ) then you can install FS2 and FS2_open using it quite easily.
The HotU download is around 200Meg so it's easy to tell if you have it :) Install that and then follow the rest of the advice on this thread to install FS2_open.
You absolutely have to have Truespace for making the hierachy but you can build the ship itself in GMax. If I Remember Correctly you can then get the ship converted for the game by using the tempest pack to export the model in the quake format and then using Lithunwrap or 3D Exploration to convert the model into a truespace cob.
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To be clear, the only format that we have convertors for is the truespace cob format.... basically means we have to assemble the model parts via truespace.
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if you have used any other 3c package you are going to hate truespace.
specificly, you are going to hate the interface, peronaly I love it, but you are going to hate it, trust me this is a universal reaction.
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Ok so lemme get this straight- I -DON'T- have to have the retail game to play, you're saying now, Kara?. Just the 200meg hotu download you mentioned and the other files I FTPed from your site? I dont see a "get FS2 for free" image link at the bottom of your faq. You mean the faq in your sig, at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/karajorma/freespace/hotu.html? There's a gif anim at the bottom that says "Like what you see?/Download Freespace 2 from Home of the Underdog" That link takes me to http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=4150. But I dont see any download there except a manual at the bottom of your review, freespace2-m.zip. I'll look some more for a 200meg hotu DL there, but I don't see it yet. It's prolly right in front of me, I know.
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the HOTU FS2 has aparently been taken down as the owner is useing it's copy writes
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It has doubtless found it's way onto Kazaa and the like, though. The whole FS2 copyright thing is / has been a bit fuzzy...........
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Ah I guess that explains that. Thx Bobb and Aldo. That was the link yall was saying earlier was no longer there ah. Sheet. Me and my cable modem was all rdy for a throughput extravaganza on that 200Meg puppy. Bah. I have gotten now where I don't even register ad banners on my brain or what they even say, so I didn't even notice the one mentioned. (sorry Kara) Too much spyware, adware and junk accumulated that way over the years. But now with Mozilla, I at least get no popups, and have Spybot Search and Destroy, and Ad-aware to help clean up.
Well I guess I could shake the dust off my Shareaza and see if it can find FS2. I better make sure my Norton AV definitions are up-to-date first tho, heh. Ya never know what's floating around out there. About the copywrite thing, I remember reading somewhere how FS2 was all fuzzy about that, saying it was ok to copy for friends and such. Well off I go, wish me luck! And again, what fast responses! This is more like a chatroom than a forum LOL!
Zeke
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Oh no, they took the HOTU download down! :(
This is indeed very sad news.
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HEh, I could always host ISO files from my 3 CD's. :rolleyes:
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Well zeke I hope they send you your copy of FS2 soon but until then you can still join in with us and chat :)
Making ships and posting them on the Modding forum is a nice idea too. some of the modellers on there don;t have FS2 installed either so you won't be out of place :)
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well ... lucky me ... I archive`d the HOTU d`load ... otherwise I am fairly happy .../sad `cause I ended up having to reformat/install the whole of XP ... it seems that there is need of a proper install/register ... otherwise the whole kit `n kaboodle seems to go to hang ...happy to see something in open source but it seems to be lacking in the essentials...like playability...open source prerequisites at least compatability with the OS...
heh...and maybe you can list those files which give the pop-ups` that burn my eyes so I can delete them...along with anything else in the way of unexpected...
heh...don`t get me wrong ... I have one of those unregistered programs on my machine and it works quite well (small...only 26 MBs`)...
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K yall. Shareaza is dead to me now, won't connect anymore, to look for FS2. It does that after non-use for a while. You have to go into its discovery service page and initialize whatever newer links they give on the support faq. Only this time it didn't work. Bah. I no have patience with this crap anymore. That or modeling fer dayum sure, LOL! (talk about one big pain in the butt) Just as well, ya never know what's out there in P2P, even with Norton AV around. I quit even looking for MP3s a long time ago, too much monkey bizness happening with all that, and nothing is ever quite what it seems. (But -everything- is always exactly what it is) I think I may feed my puter to the squirrels and go fishing. Or just watch DVR cable TV alla time. I soooo fed up with hoop-jumping, and quirky puter stuff. Ok anyway I can yak here sometimes I guess. (or in general area) Forum software not driving me crazy yet. I used to be an Ikonboard admin, and these is similar. I like. Later, new buddees!
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overnet's good, and for general p2p protection get peergaurdien, though thats designed for kazza, it works for just about anything.
or you could just wait for someone to post an uploaded HOTU. or just wait for your order.
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Originally posted by Raa Tor'h
HEh, I could always host ISO files from my 3 CD's. :rolleyes:
nobody would know about it tho -- and lots of people were browsing HOTU for free games, which explains the newbies we've been getting lately. :(
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If you're using ANY OTHER modeling app, other than Truspace, and it saves in a format you have probs with in Truspace, you might want to try Lithunwrap for conversion to .cob format. Do a search for it, there's some websites which still have it.
EDIT: This is in relation to some posts made above :)
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K. That's all good info to file away about Truespace and such. But I'll just be happy to get the game and become lost in playing the missions and getting into the story for a while. I won't sweat finding the hotu file i need. Mebbe it won't be too long before my full game comes in and I'll just modify it with what I got to have some good clean action. But they shouldn't call it FREEspace if I have to pay for it anyway. Fifty-dollarspace mebbe. Yah.
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BTW, why does it say the title "Apollo" under my handle? I am a greek god now, aye? Mebbe I have a Saturn V rocket sitting under my bookus? It not feel like I do. Altho if you had asked me last week when I ate some bad chili I might have responded in the affirmative. Zeke wonders about these thangs, and more.
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the apollo is your user title, most users have standard titles, changing when their postcounts rise. some "special" people have custom titles, set by the admins. mine is because i converted the SCP FAQ to the wiki, and because i'm still a wiki fan. the special title "banned" is not something to be aiming for though.
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...That's one I've yet to recieve...
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well, no-one really has recieved a perm bann yet, aside from a certain hacker. temp bann's on the other hand aren;t all that uncommon, unfortunately.
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The Apollo is a ship from FS1. If you post here often enough you'll notice your title change to other ships from the series :)
A couple of quick questions if you don't mind, Zeke. Just out of interest, where did you hear that FS2 had been re-released? And how come you didn't buy it before?
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Well Kasp, I is special I guess so I reckon I can get me one of them too. I'll try to stay away from the banned one. It's purtah keen u bein' a Wiki feller and all. Say hi to Chewbacca for me, he my buddy.
Kara, I was looking thru reviews for space -strategy- games and came upon FS2 by chance. I thought it would be a nice change of pace from MMRPGs. It came out about the same time I was getting into Everquest, and I didn't play ANYTHING else for a while. EQ players know what I mean heh. I did foray off into Anarchy Online, Neverwinter Knights, and a lil bit of Morrowind later on, but lately decided I wanted a change of pace, from fantasy stuff. Space and Sci-Fi used to be my main interest, so I'm kinda getting back to my roots. I also like galaxy builder games alot, like MOO2. I wanted something to empire build with, but saw how great FS2 was, and got hooked. Saw it had been re-released like, the day before too. WOOT! I -almost- bought a used one from Amazon before I saw that heh. I read all the puter game mags for years and think I remember good reviews for it. I might have even got it back then despite Evercrack, but was prolly broke alla time then, if I remember right.
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Hey buddees also see my question at
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,14097.msg407510.html#msg407510
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Zeke, I trust you have heard of the babylon project?
if not freespace.volitionwatch.com/babylon
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and there forums (http://www.volitionwatch.com/vwbb/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=16)
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And welcome, Zeke. Always great to have new guys around. :)
:welcome:
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Steak!
Where you been, foo?
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Yup me heard about the B5 project. Purtah wooty! I haffa run now, it's time to watch Rebo and Zooty heh. YAY!
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ambassador milari: I don't get it zoot zoot zoot
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Zoot zoot! Heh. BTW, about 6 years ago I had the distinct honor of meeting and talking with JMS at a convention. Taped some lectures and interviews of him. He's damn brilliant, and as a HUGE B5 fan (B5 or B Jive!) it was fun to bask in his glow for 3 days. I'll never forget it. Got to meet some Star Trek writers and other luminaries as well. This ole spacedog was spittin' in HIGH cotton, fer dayum sure. Woohoo!
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Freespace 2 re-issue just arrived at door!
Yippee-ki-ay and YEEHAH! This here is the ole space cowboy Zeke, lettin' yall know the 20th Anniversary edition of FS2 just came to my door and I gonna be SPARKIN' WITH `LECTRICICAL NOW FER SURE WOOHOO! I can't wait to play this thang and to get my X45 HOTAS profiled up good and do that there open source razzle-dazzle with it to make it all purtah and mebbe even do away with disk-swapping, from what I hear... Ya hear that Kara and the rest of yas? It's HERE!!! I sure hope flying the ships and whompin' the bad guys ain't the ***-buster B5:IFH turned out to be. Ouch! I done gave up on my hiney survivin' that thang.
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Time to go install (http://www.penguinbomb.com/lightspeed) ! :D
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if you want to know ho to install FSO, read the sticky thread on that, it's called "How to Install FSO" or something clear like that.
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Lightspeed said-
"Time to go install ! "
That's what I said when the urinal broke, heh. Woot, nice link tho. I was just lookin at the part showing old vs new planets. WOW! I gotta do the FSO thing, fer sure. Thx.
And aye Kasp, I'm on it. Thx.
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Originally posted by Sticks
Steak!
Where you been, foo?
Uhh... right here? :nervous:
Can I do something for ya? :)
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Yehaw! Ole Zeke's got FSO installed and running now! Sorta anyway. It does weird things and wont lemme use my old pilot. I tried to set it up first the separate method, JIC I wanted to go back to regular game. That didn't work so I did it the regular way, letting the VP files over-ride the ones in my main folder. I finally got that to work, but the newest launcher tells me it don't recognize a bunch of the flags I checked or entered into the custom area. -t32, -dshowvid, -spec, -glow. It gives me the message for each TWICE, then starts up with the 3.5.6c screen. The debug spew says something about cant get handle for the monochrome display or something. It then lets me play ok, as long as I use a new pilot. But wouldn't play the cutscenes or let me view them in the tech room. (the intro movie). So I installed the DivX codec (bah that things gone commercial since it first came out) and now the intro plays when I start the game but wont play if I select it in the tech room. Doesnt crash me, just says it cant play it. I dunno if it matters that it wont use the flags I picked. Does it? I'm running it in DirectX mode with Windoze 98SE. (I tried OpenGL but that was a disaster. ) So there I am. Other flags I pick seem to work fine, like -fps, -jpgtga, -pcx 32, -d3dmipmap, -cell, and -fov 0.45. One thing i just now noticed is the startup screen sez 3.5.6c, but on the bottom of the flight deck screen it says 3.5.5 dbg d3d ht&l. I did not think i was running the debug version. The zip I downloaded had 2 versions. 01_20_2004_fs2_open_d.exe, and 01_20_2004_fs2_open_r.exe. I picked the d one cos I guess it's supposed to be newer, stuck it in my main freespace folder and pointed the launcher at it. Anyway that's where I am, if anyone has any ideas plaz lemme know. I don't think the wiki info or install threads are quite as clear as they prolly seem to u guys, with respect. I seem to be playable tho for now, and I love the planet glows! I sure wish I could ditch the nasty font prob tho. I have an Athlon xp2000+ with 512 Megs, and GeForce ti4200 128, Win 98se. Thx guys.
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The ones it won't recognise are ones that are from much older builds so I wouldn't worry about them (except for -glow and -spec which are for newer builds). If the -t32 option was a tickbox in the launcher you don't have the most recent version have a look for a post by random tiger or find the latest version of everything thread and download a more recent version.
I find 01_20 to be the most stable and bug free of the more recent builds so it's a pretty good choice for the time being in my eyes. The d build is indeed the debug build though. _r is the non debug build.
The start screen names the Media.vp build not the FS2_open build so they should be different.
Most of this stuff is good to hear as I can use it to make the wiki clearer. If you have any other suggestions be sure to point them out.
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Wow what a fast response! How refreshing! And one reason I'm so enthusiastic about being part of this community.
The -t32 was a custom entry. I got all my stuff from the "latest versions" link on this page (http://dynamic4.gamespy.com/~freespace/fsdoc/index.php/Installing) Using 4.0 launcher. So you say the -glow and -spec should be working? Mebbe they are and the launcher just says they aren't??? If not, how can I enable them? And why is the launcher telling me twice that it can't use them? And I dunno why the fonts still look nasty around the edges, I have the box checked for "fix geforce font problem".
The effects improvements I added, from the latest version page are-
media VP
Hi-res tga
Bobboau-Lightspeed Thruster Hybrids
I'm waiting for more work on the high-poly models before i download those.
Most of my install confusion is about the specific paths for files. I assumed the FSO exe goes in the main Freespace folder. But one place you refer to putting "individual files" (as opposed to VP files) in the a data folder. Especially refering to the separate FSO install, if I remember. Freespace2/My FSO Folder Name/Data. I assume you mean like the high-res planet TGA's? And file for the movies, "FreeSpace2.fc2"? But don't you also have to make sb-folders for your new data folder, for a separate install, like the retail install has the folders listed? Like "missions" for the FreeSpace2.fc2? Or the effects sub-folder for the thrusterglow files?. I went ahead with the typical install tho, to get it working fast, and used the folder heirarchy already there, tho it would be no big deal to cut and paste all the data sub-folders to my new data folder. But I wasn't clear how the game would know where my separate-install data folder is located, unless i run the FS0 exe when its located in my CUSTOM NAME folder within the main freespace folder? (Freespace2/My FSO Folder Name) But how would I, when then FS0 exe has to be in the same folder as my retail freespace exe?
Am I making sense here? I hope so. But you guys are programmers, so are prolly used to confusion heh. I haven't studied any programming for over 20 years, when I did Microsoft Basic, and some unix, cobol, and fortran for electronics school. (like I remember any of it now, LOL!) I remember programming my VIC-20 with POKE and PEEK commands, ROTF. Thought ya might get a good laugh from that. :p
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If you're using the 2004_01_20 builds, spec and glow are activated by default, so you won't need the flags to activate them. The only builds that need them are Bob's test builds... so far AFAIK. You don't need to bother with the -t32, as this was changed to -jpgtga back in December.
As far as stuff in the mediaVP is concerned, you might as well leave it in there, as it will still work there, unless you've got other files by those names in their destination directory, such as the new planet packs, thrusters, nebula backgrounds, weapons, or anything else you've installed.
Later!
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Thank you Triv!!!! That sure explains alot. I wondered WTF, cos it looks like glow and spec is being used in the game ok, regardless of what the launcher led me to believe. I have ship windows that glow yay! That sure adds alot to the game realism! Some good info here. Mebbe I missed it in the wiki somewhere. There's so much to absorb and remember heh.
Other notes from re-playing the first several missions just now-
I MUST have been using the debug version! The debug spew stuff, and the mem usage info on my play screen... (even tho I didnt have that checked. Weird.) So I hooked up the "r" version of the exe and it got rid of the debug screen AND mem usage stuff, which was just in my way anyhow. Cool! I read on the wiki somewhere that the "d" version was just a newer version than a later alphabet letter, like "r". That's why I had it running. Mebbe I just misunderstood.
Another note, not so much a whine as an observation- Now that I'm all fancied up purty in the game, I can't run all the details maxxed like I could with the retail version, without getting bad stutter. LOL! Be careful what ya ask for huh? :) I prolly could if I hadn't had to use SDRAM instead of DDR when I built my puter bah. But even with details turned down some, it still looks great, and only stutters a little. With the retail version, I was feeling sorta god-like with my athlon 2000+ and Geforce 4 heh. But I'm having fun. Thx to you guys for the great tech support here getting me up to snuff. That kinda thing means alot to me, and is way manly of you all. I put -value- in it. I be in touch again soon. I PLAY NOW YAY!!!
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When I said newer versions used the -glow and -spec tags I meant newer ones than the one you're using :D
There may be some pages in the Wiki that are a little older that the one I wrote (The one you linked to) so I wouldn't be suprised if there is some out of date info in the wiki. When I see it I correct it :)
As for the stutter is it constant or is it a case that the first time you look at a ship after it jumps in it stutters for a second and then goes back to being smooth? The latter is a problem with FS2_Open rather than your machine.
I think it might be an idea to add a FAQ style troubleshooting section to the install guide rather than cluttering it up with things like this.
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Well, my 2004_01_20 build seems to be using the -glow, -spec, and -t32 tags ok by itself after I unchecked them from the launcher, and erased -t32 from custom field. Trivial Psychic said it uses glow and spec by default, no? Mebbe he meant they were checked on by default. I dunno. I like 1-20, seems stable like you say. It had checkbox for -jpgtga so Im good with that instead of custom tag -t32. I have launcher 4.0 BTW, in case I didnt mention it before.
Also, the game does mainly stutter when a new ship jumps in, aye. Then smooths out. Glad to know my box doesnt suck as much as I thought heh.
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Heh, awesome, you're pretty much there Zeke. :) (My box stutters all the time, unless I ramp down the detail levels. Things are sounding pretty sweet over there.) ;)
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-glow and -spec were added to builds after 20th Jan because all the other additions need a flag to turn them on and it seems more logical to follow the same rule for glow and spec.
Before 20th Jan -glow and -spec were indeed on automatically.
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Ok here's a lil update on how ole Zeke is doing in the worlds of Freebase 2, as I'm now calling it- (Ok- FBO heh)
Tho I haven't had much time to play, I managed to get almost 3/4 of the way thru the main campaign tonight. WOOHOO! What fun! I been hitting the rebels and Shivans with so many Hornets they is -beggin' me- for a Harpoon! Heh. Few tech probs, gladly. Mainly just have to get it started right. Usually it doesn't do anything, but shows up in my task manager anyway. I close it there and retry and it usually starts ok the next attempt. FSO sure is purty, I wish I had more time to buzz around and look at stuff a-fore I hafta blow it up real good. How Dada.
Oh, and a MINOR SPOILER below in the unlikely event somebody besides ole space cowboy Zeke ain't played it thru yet-
After doing a few missions with them Vasudan fellers, I took a break and upon going back to the flight deck, WHOA! WTF is this!? A surprise for the eyes! How purty! Some good lookin stuff goin' on thar, on that new alien-critter flight deck! Especially with that thar transluscent thang happenin'! Is that FSO or from the vanilla version? Anyways, it's purty dang neat, and my horse Hidalgore likes it too! Yup.
So, I'm havin' a good ole time and all. Kinda frustratin' sometimes trying to target them dadgum big-ship turrets and such when they is all re-cessed away and the ship they on is truckin on to beat the band. Wish there was a way to turn and strafe without changin' the direction I'm scootin'. B5:IFH sorta did that, when I tried it out, but not proper. But enuff of my ramblin. Jes wanted to drop in and say howdy and let yall know how thangs was goin'. I 'precciate all yall's help and want yall to know I put val-yuh it it. (spits some baccy)
Until later, mi amigos!
Zeke
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You know... Shivan ships can strafe ;7
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K. What keys they press to do it, and how do I hi-jack one? :lol:
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Don't want to spoil it for you but on one of the loop missions you get to fly something that can strafe (I Think).
Don't remember the keys used though.
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Ah cool. I mean, YE-HAH!
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Originally posted by karajorma
Don't want to spoil it for you but on one of the loop missions you get to fly something that can strafe (I Think).
Don't remember the keys used though.
You're right. I just checked the tables and it does have the speed entries for multi-directional flight.
Later!