[Aardwolf]

Remember this. The GTVA wants our worlds and our infrastructure intact. They hope to break our fighting spirit, or to draw us into a foolish offensive.

Sure it was a trap, but it was a huge risk even without the Imperieuse in consideration.

Then again, maybe first fleet is losing on the "fighting spirit" front 

[Hellstryker]

Of course. 2FM and 3JRF bit off more than they could chew. Going after a Tev destroyer with it's comm systems intact as if they'd see it as an acceptable loss? They didn't follow one of the golden rules and they paid the price for it. If something seems too good to be true, then it probably is.

Think about if they had left the Carthage drifting in orbit of Saturn. It would've been out of action for weeks most likely, depending on how extensive the damage was. Not worth going in for the kill.

[QuakeIV]

I almost wrote up a big response to that but its kinda off-topic.

This has been discussed a lot so lets just agree its a contested issue before too many people get involved for it to be possible to discuss or bring to a halt without a lock.

[-Norbert-]

Of course. 2FM and 3JRF bit off more than they could chew. Going after a Tev destroyer with it's comm systems intact as if they'd see it as an acceptable loss? They didn't follow one of the golden rules and they paid the price for it. If something seems too good to be true, then it probably is.

Think about if they had left the Carthage drifting in orbit of Saturn. It would've been out of action for weeks most likely, depending on how extensive the damage was. Not worth going in for the kill.

The Carthage jumped out of the last "engagement", if you can really call it that, before she could take much damage. When it arrived at Saturn, all that was needed to bring her back into the fight was driving her out of Saturns gravity or a quick fix of the engines at most. She would have been out of the war for hours maybe a full day tops.
And because they couldn't get the comms before the attack, they tried to make sure that every ships that might support the Carthage is busy with defending against the other attacks.
Delenda Est was NOT a small engagement of only those four Karunas and their Sanctus escorts. It was a massive fleet action that involved attacks on multiple high-priority targets.

[MatthTheGeek]

Problem was simply that they got false information of the position of that Titan-class destroyer (i always forget the name). If they knew that that Ship is still in SOL, im quite sure they wouldnt have attacked.

Or Calder and Netreba would just have engaged it with enough forces to keep it busy, like they were doing for the rest of the Tev forces during DE.

[SpardaSon21]

Did Calder and Netreba even have enough spare warships to assault the Imperieuse?  I'm not sure they could have deployed much more without leaving Mars open.  They could have asked First Fleet for help, but I doubt Byrne would have gotten off his ass and sent any ships to assist in a clearly offensive mission.

[Deadly in a Shadow]

Did Calder and Netreba even have enough spare warships to assault the Imperieuse?  I'm not sure they could have deployed much more without leaving Mars open.  They could have asked First Fleet for help, but I doubt Byrne would have gotten off his ass and sent any ships to assist in a clearly offensive mission.

I would ask: Do they have a tactic to distract all the fighters  of the Imperieuse and other warships so the Durgas and Vajradharas they have, can assault and destroy the destroyer?
Even a pair of Narayanas can destroy the Imperieuse. They just need to be protected and a really good plan is need in order to pin down the other destroyers.

[MatthTheGeek]

If they had what it takes to kill a destroyer like that, they wouldn't need to set up the whole DE stuff in the first place. They just need to keep it busy enough. Not necessarily by threatening it, but for example by threatening other assets that would require its protection.

[swashmebuckle]

I'm pretty sure Robert Byrne's secret project is translating Auld Lang Syne into Vasudan and making one of those "We Are the World" type videos in the hopes that Khonsu II will come down the UEF's side.  ****ing hippies.

[Deadly in a Shadow]

I'm pretty sure Robert Byrne's secret project is translating Auld Lang Syne into Vasudan and making one of those "We Are the World" type videos in the hopes that Khonsu II will come down the UEF's side.  ****ing hippies.

I still hope they're doing it the Arcturus Mengsk way...killing you opponents by dragging evil monsters to 'em. (Shivans? Vishnans? Space kittens?)

[redsniper]

I'm pretty sure Robert Byrne's secret project is translating Auld Lang Syne into Vasudan and making one of those "We Are the World" type videos in the hopes that Khonsu II will come down the UEF's side.  ****ing hippies.

I still hope they're doing it the Arcturus Mengsk way...killing you opponents by dragging evil monsters to 'em. (Shivans? Vishnans? Space kittens?)

That's how they did it in Twilight.

[Colonol Dekker]

Keep Derplight outta this fine topic

[Ryuseiken]

I still hope they're doing it the Arcturus Mengsk way...killing you opponents by dragging evil monsters to 'em. (Shivans? Vishnans? Space kittens?)

Didn't the Arcturus Mengsk way just lead to one really pissed off Raynor battlegroup? The GTVA have a good handful of those already, no need to give them another one.

[-Norbert-]

Not to mention the Overmind getting his hands on the "Queen of Blades".... Laporte fighting for the Shivans would be terrible... and somehow really cool at the same time.

[LordPomposity]

I still hope they're doing it the Arcturus Mengsk way...killing you opponents by dragging evil monsters to 'em. (Shivans? Vishnans? Space kittens?)

Didn't the Arcturus Mengsk way just lead to one really pissed off Raynor battlegroup? The GTVA have a good handful of those already, no need to give them another one.

*groan*

[qwadtep]

Even a pair of Narayanas can destroy the Imperieuse. They just need to be protected and a really good plan is need in order to pin down the other destroyers.

If 2nd and 3rd fleet had Narayanas to spare Calder'd have given one to the Wargods in DE. All the surviving artillery not hogged by Byrne is probably needed to keep Steele away from Mars.

[Ravenholme]

I still hope they're doing it the Arcturus Mengsk way...killing you opponents by dragging evil monsters to 'em. (Shivans? Vishnans? Space kittens?)

Didn't the Arcturus Mengsk way just lead to one really pissed off Raynor battlegroup? The GTVA have a good handful of those already, no need to give them another one.

*groan*

Credit where credit is due, that wasn't actually bad

[LordPomposity]

Yeah, it was pretty good. I suppose the thing that's really groan-worthy is that there's a destroyer class called the Raynor in the first place.

[redsniper]

Keep Derplight outta this fine topic

No, the campaign. Not that Twilight.

[General Battuta]

I'm pretty sure Robert Byrne's secret project is translating Auld Lang Syne into Vasudan and making one of those "We Are the World" type videos in the hopes that Khonsu II will come down the UEF's side.  ****ing hippies.

god damn it