[666maslo666]

One reason why I am not bothered by so-called "pay-to-win", as done in SC, is that it is in fact realistic and immersive. In the real world, wealthy people can buy better equipment, and there is no reason to expect new SC characters should be uniformly poor. You certainly have more money than brains characters in the real world, so why not in SC? They cannot buy better skill, tough. As long as this "pay-to-win" is restricted to merely buying equipment and not directly affecting gameplay, I dont see how it diminishes my own enjoyment of the game.

[Colonol Dekker]

I'm sure I remember seeing "pay real money to buy" higher quality torps.

[X3N0-Life-Form]

I feel like "buying a better ship" is something that would have an effect on gameplay.

[Lorric]

It all depends on how difficult / grindy it is if the game ever gets made to go from the no money start point to the top ship. Like I see the Elite Dangerous videos that are like "Sidewinder to Anaconda in 4 hours". That would certainly render the "pay to win" aspect almost meaninglessness.

[StarSlayer]

I'm sure all the folks who sank thousands of dollars would be thrilled if all the content they bought could be unlocked in four hours.

[Lorric]

I'm sure all the folks who sank thousands of dollars would be thrilled if all the content they bought could be unlocked in four hours.

Well, that's one ship. Ideally it would take a lot longer, necessitating the buying of many better ships along the way. I wouldn't think it unreasonable for a capital ship to require about 60 hours per player required to crew it. Though 60 hours of normal gameplay by a competent player not 60 hours of optimal grinding.

[Colonol Dekker]

60 hours free to play anything would be nice

[Buckshee Rounds]

"SC isn't pay to win because if you buy the best equipment, no one can pay more to beat you (in that ship class)."

How the **** can he make a determination about the combat metagame when neither combat or flight mechanics are anywhere near done? It's like commenting on the handling characteristics of a car that's barely more than a chassis and wheels.

[Det. Bullock]

One reason why I am not bothered by so-called "pay-to-win", as done in SC, is that it is in fact realistic and immersive. In the real world, wealthy people can buy better equipment, and there is no reason to expect new SC characters should be uniformly poor. You certainly have more money than brains characters in the real world, so why not in SC? They cannot buy better skill, tough. As long as this "pay-to-win" is restricted to merely buying equipment and not directly affecting gameplay, I dont see how it diminishes my own enjoyment of the game.

If I wanted all the ****ty parts of real life I wouldn't be playing videogames.

[Aesaar]

One reason why I am not bothered by so-called "pay-to-win", as done in SC, is that it is in fact realistic and immersive. In the real world, wealthy people can buy better equipment, and there is no reason to expect new SC characters should be uniformly poor. You certainly have more money than brains characters in the real world, so why not in SC? They cannot buy better skill, tough. As long as this "pay-to-win" is restricted to merely buying equipment and not directly affecting gameplay, I dont see how it diminishes my own enjoyment of the game.

The real world is a really, really ****ty game.  That Star Citizen is trying to mimic it by also being ****ty is not a point in its favor.

Also, your ship being better than the other guy's because you put money into it and he didn't definitely does directly affect gameplay.

[karajorma]

Hang on a sec. If a big, powerful, expensive ship doesn't afford me any advantage, what's the ****ing point in playing the game? I'm supposed to grind for hours to level up my money and ships only for that to give me no advantage over someone who just started in a crappy fighter? Why the **** would I bother? Chris Roberts has just admitted that there is no point in actually playing his game. There's no progression.

[Colonol Dekker]

 
I'm glad he's catching up with my point of view.

[karajorma]

To be fair, it will teach all the people who have just been claiming that the ships are just a donation to help with developing the game not to bull****. "You spent $27,000 on ships and then got owned by someone in the starting fighter?"

[Colonol Dekker]

There's a guy called archon fury on elite who's worked through every ship using just a sidewinder.  Inspirational.  Except the same levelnof achievement won't apply to SC as you, I mean croberts just said.

Hooe life's treating you good bud.

[TwentyPercentCooler]

https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2018/08/crytek-lawsuit-against-cloud-imperium-games-moves-forward/66604/

Something something this is good for SC.

[JGZinv]

Blah I need to offload a couple of packages, and even then I'll be stuck with a chunk of store credit. I'm just wholly disinterested with the project now, and that's coming from an early backer that used to have
nearly 1K tied up in it. Now I'm down to about $400 in two packs with about $200 in credits.

[666maslo666]

The real world is a really, really ****ty game.  That Star Citizen is trying to mimic it by also being ****ty is not a point in its favor.

Also, your ship being better than the other guy's because you put money into it and he didn't definitely does directly affect gameplay.

Only indirectly affects gameplay. Whether you pay for the ship or not, it still plays the same.

Star Citizen is not supposed to be some ultra-competitve e-sport where the point is to win over the other guy assuming equal starting conditions. It is a space universe sim with no set victory conditions.

So as I said:
1. Someone paying for a better ship does not diminish my own enjoyment of the game
2. Every new player inevitably beginning with a starter ship is kind of unrealistic, reality should be more diverse

I can see how this could impact the game negatively if taken too far, but at this point I dont think this is the case.

[Colonol Dekker]

If there's no competition it's not a game.  It's a boredom simulator.

[Spoon]

Blah I need to offload a couple of packages, and even then I'll be stuck with a chunk of store credit. I'm just wholly disinterested with the project now, and that's coming from an early backer that used to have
nearly 1K tied up in it. Now I'm down to about $400 in two packs with about $200 in credits.

Get a refu- oh wait you can't anymore.

https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2018/08/crytek-lawsuit-against-cloud-imperium-games-moves-forward/66604/

Something something this is good for SC.

Don't worry about a thing, otwin got this.

If there's no competition it's not a game.  It's a boredom simulator.

Star citizen is a really good boredom simulator.

[Colonol Dekker]

Inorite,  you can tell because it costs so much.   A sure sign of quality!