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Hosted Projects - Standalone => Fate of the Galaxy => Topic started by: brandx0 on June 21, 2009, 02:38:52 pm
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In the spirit of my Nu series of ships, I decided to come up with a new interesting prefix for another series of models I've been working on, I'm calling it the DReim series (Definitively Reimagined)
Basically the idea is to take EU ships which look like crap and try and fix them. Here is the E-Wing for your viewing pleasure, still a WIP
(http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3118/wallpaperorq.jpg)
UPDATE: Model and texture complete
(http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/5926/finalewing.png)
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Looks good. I hope you don't mind if I post the "Canon EU" version for comparison?
(http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/2594/erender03gk9.jpg)
All in all... I'm a fan of the new one. After all we have never seen the E-Wing on silver screen so who really cares if it's exactly as it is depicted in various sources?
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Especially when those sources don't even agree with eachother.
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Looks good. I hope you don't mind if I post the "Canon EU" version for comparison?
(http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/2594/erender03gk9.jpg)
All in all... I'm a fan of the new one. After all we have never seen the E-Wing on silver screen so who really cares if it's exactly as it is depicted in various sources?
from some of the Lucas backed reference i have seen its close enough
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I'm not quite sure what you're saying...?
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Looks great Brand. I'm just surprised that 5 posts in and there's already more pics of the old E-wing than the new one in this thread.
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(http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3118/wallpaperorq.jpg)
(http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3118/wallpaperorq.jpg)
Not anymore! :p
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Awesome! I like how it's a got a sleeker more aerodynamic look now, especially the wings. The nose seems a bit flat though, which constrasts with the rest of the look. Can we see some other angles please?
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my favorite craft only looks better now!
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I like the nose.
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Very nice, I always found the "original" E-Wing design horribly uninspired... basically simplified X-Wing fuselage with 2 simple wings attached to it. Sure you could call it functional, but compared to the X-Wing it's just ugly.
Your re-imagined version looks a lot more interesting.
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Wings looking sexy! :D
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Basically the idea is to take EU ships which look like crap and try and fix them. [/lvlshot]
...so basically all of them? :drevil:
I like it, but the tapering seems a bit much. Not quite blocky enough, not quite pointy enough.
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To be honest, I've never liked that blocky design.
Personal preference I guess. =/
I'll trust the team to make something good though.
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Basically the idea is to take EU ships which look like crap and try and fix them. [/lvlshot]
...so basically all of them? :drevil:
I like it, but the tapering seems a bit much. Not quite blocky enough, not quite pointy enough.
get out of this thread of awesomeness!
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I don't know about all of them, but probably all of them which we attempt to model :)
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just the nose seems a little awkward, but now the thing actually looks rather advanced, rather than a sliced-up X-wing.
though the nose is a little awkward
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Looks like it burrow elements from the v wing speeder (NOT the clone era v wing) present in rogue squadron.
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i don't like the top laser cannon that much
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What's wrong with it?
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Its existence, or Brand's re-imagining of it? Because the cannon itself is canon. (Feel free to sigify this post for reference of cannon vs canon)
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i meant the design of the reimagined cannon, not the existence of the cannon itself :).
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Nice job Brand-X ;)
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I think the real strength of the e-wing was how tough it looked. The toughness was achieved through narrow, tall fuselage. Felt like a wall. I also find the canon cannon (on top) integrated better with the fighter, sort of emerging from the body rather than being grafted on.
Otherwise, it looks great! Very Battlestar Galactica.
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The problem I always found with the E-Wing was indeed the narrow fuselage. It's so skinny that a pilot can't actually physically fit inside.
Also I never liked the sloping design of that top cannon, also it puts the barrel too close to the cockpit, and being as my version of the cockpit is raised slightly, it just plain wouldn't fit at all, hence why I had it on a pylon like the other cannons and like the X-Wing, it's predecessor.
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And another update for everyone here:
(http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/9769/ewing14.jpg)
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I just love how you made the wings connect to the fuselage. It makes it look like they fold up when in the hangar for storage. Do you have other angles to show though? This one is very similar to the last one perspective-wise.
Its existence, or Brand's re-imagining of it? Because the cannon itself is canon. (Feel free to sigify this post for reference of cannon vs canon)
I think you should make that your custom title, "knows difference between cannon and canon."
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Its existence, or Brand's re-imagining of it? Because the cannon itself is canon. (Feel free to sigify this post for reference of cannon vs canon)
I think you should make that your custom title, "knows difference between cannon and canon."
In general, it's not something done by request. I think one of the few exceptions was when Rico got his changed to something other than "pees into the wind".
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Actually the blunt nose from that angle makes me think of the ARC-170.
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In general, it's not something done by request. I think one of the few exceptions was when Rico got his changed to something other than "pees into the wind".
This is true, but so few actually know the proper meaning of canon. Ehh, whatever.
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Yeah requesting a title (or even just pointing out the lack of a title) ends up getting you a title like I have now, and I don't have the power to give out custom titles, just Admins.
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is there a rear window at the end of the top cannon?
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If anything it looks like the rear window would be below the top cannon, under that little shelf.
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Very nice.
What TIEs are you thinking of doing?
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Two variants each of the TIE Fighter and TIE Interceptor, TIE Bomber, maybe the x1 and who knows what else.
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First, I love the new design. Seems significantly deadlier than the old model. My only (minor) concern is that it's a little too much "R" in the DReim...
It's almost difficult to tell that it's definitely an E-Wing at first glance. Maybe it'll look different flying by at 100mglt, or I could just be recovering from awesomeness shock, but that was just my first impression.
Oh, and for old times sake, the dimensions are waaay off :)
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Anyone else think this wouldn't look out of place in Diaspora? It's been screaming "Viper" at me since I first saw it.
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Oddly enough, I haven't been seeing that. I don't know, the big fat rocket engines, the laser cannons all over, the wing struts, it screams E-wing to me. Although maybe the original E-wing was inspired by old school Vipers, cause there's a bit of a resemblance between them too.
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Considering how freely the original BSG "borrowed" from SW, I think it's only fitting that the E-wing and Viper are rather similar. They are both X-wings but with the top s-foils either whacked off or bent up and combined into a tail. Also they are both awesome.
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There is some great modeling talent working on this. Granted i'm easy to please and think it looks great. It's nice to have some original ties to the series but it is also good to make your make and have small tweaks to the fighters to make your game standalone.
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no, X- and E-Wing rule all!
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I agree with whoever said this looked viper-ish.
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Again, the more common refs for the E-wing look a lot like some old BSG material too, so I think it kind of fits.
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I like the new design, though it does not fit in at all with the relatively consistant design made years prior. For that reason a model like this might be better off being included in a "Reimagined Vehicles" mod set... For which case it would be perfect!
-Thaeris
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Well, this is the version that's going in. If you don't like it, feel free to model yourself an E-Wing and create a model pack. I'm not going back and making a canon E-Wing, it's ugly, and it doesn't physically work. How are we supposed to make fighters with a cockpit if the cockpit is too small to fit a person inside?
I think this version is more believable than the canon version, which also has enough conflicting references to say that there is no real canon E-Wing in the first place.
Also, an update:
(http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/5721/ewing15.jpg)
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In a way, either argument is valid. However, as I cannot make a decision upon the matter, I'll be happy with this one. That's a superb rendering, by the way...
By the way, after a quick analysis of the drawing I have on file, I have to disagree with the judgement that a pilot would be unable to fit into the cockpit. Rough estimations of size of the cockpit (given that the ship is 11.2 meters in length as is stated to be canon) lead me to conclude that the width of the base of the canopy is close to a meter, perhaps a little less. Cramped for a fighter, yes, but not impossible. I assume the Bf-109 would be worse... and that was real! I'll enclose the drawing just to be safe. Note that due to a lack of accurate measurement tools scaling via paper was performed; initial sizing reports might be a little off...
-Thaeris
[attachment deleted by MSC
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Yeah I just did some scaling myself, the cockpit is slightly smaller than a Bf-109. Perhaps feasible, but then we come to another problem. If as you say the canon E-Wing sticks closely to what's been done before and looks more consistent with the universe, why do its predecessors have exceptionally roomy cockpits while the E-Wing barely has enough room for instrumentation, let alone flight controls? Remember that the E-Wing is sure to have a helluva lot more going on in its cockpit than a Bf-109.
Also another update
(http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/8782/ewing16.jpg)
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If i remember correctly the X-wing was quite cramped though having said that I remember on new jedi order book one of the jedi replaces the front cockpit panel with a non armored temporary stored in either the cockpit or the stowage space below the cockpit so that might be a misinterpretation on my part
btw very nice job so far
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Well, watching the Battle of Yavin, those X-Wing cockpits seem very roomy:
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLNZVinF6vQ
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtnu4kcKbik&feature=related
Also compare these two images, keeping in consideration that the F-16 is bigger than the X-Wing:
(http://saxman.xwlegacy.net/Starfighters/X-wingPics/Biggs.jpg)
(http://blogs.glnd.k12.va.us/teachers/clong/files/2008/12/dscf0123.jpg)
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Maybe Chewy is only 5'5 and everyone else in the SW universe is proportionately smaller. :pimp:
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Fact is, the new Ewing blows the old Ewing out of the water. No need for cockpit size debates.
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I love the new E-wing, but I'm not quite sure what the nubs on the aft are supposed to be. I'm almost expecting more engines to be there in their place.
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Fact is, the new Ewing blows the old Ewing out of the water. No need for cockpit size debates.
I love the new E-Wing, but still find the cockpit size debates fascinating. Without a diagram of the ship with measurements included, or a human pilot standing next to it for comparison, I have a hard time really determining if one could fit or not. He'd have to be pretty reclined, probably, but otherwise it's hard to tell.
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Yes, the pilot seat is rather reclined, as I've planned it at least, We'll see how it works once I get the cockpit modeled. The aft section is about as large as the X-Wing's, though slightly smaller vertically. Horizontally is is much longer and the same width as the X-Wing's, an idea I came up with after putting a camera in the X-Wing cockpit and seeing how much view space you really had. The answer was not much.
Also, ask and ye shall recieve:
(http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/234/sizecompare.jpg)
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the laser cannons could have some more detail/work, though
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Yes, the pilot seat is rather reclined, as I've planned it at least, We'll see how it works once I get the cockpit modeled. The aft section is about as large as the X-Wing's, though slightly smaller vertically. Horizontally is is much longer and the same width as the X-Wing's, an idea I came up with after putting a camera in the X-Wing cockpit and seeing how much view space you really had. The answer was not much.
Also, ask and ye shall recieve:
(http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/234/sizecompare.jpg)
Awesome! Though I had no doubt about a pilot fitting in yours, what I was referring to was a pilot in comparison to the old stock E-Wing. Either way, I think it's clear that snub fighters in general have very little room for comfort in the cockpit.
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the laser cannons could have some more detail/work, though
So should the bottom, the back, the sides, the top, the front...
It's not done.
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The more I see it (the reimagined E-Wing), the more I approve of it. I have no problem whatsoever with the new Z-95, though. Beautiful! Speaking of "old" ships, does anyone on your team have thoughts of making an R-41 Starchaser?
-Thaeris
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Another update:
(http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/567/ewing17.jpg)
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Baby got back.
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Wow... :eek2: That's amazing.
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Random black line over the right wingtip?
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Bucket Rendering artifact.
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Now that I see its back, I'm sure I'll hate going after it. :P
Nice work with the model; looks like a conversion is imminent.
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The more I see it (the reimagined E-Wing), the more I approve of it. I have no problem whatsoever with the new Z-95, though. Beautiful! Speaking of "old" ships, does anyone on your team have thoughts of making an R-41 Starchaser?
-Thaeris
New Z-95? Where's this?
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Right here... I can't remember which thread I first saw it in though: http://swc.fs2downloads.com/sshot.php?subdir=Fighters-Rebel/Z-95/
It looks like Brand's work, so I assumed in my last post that it was. Correct me if I'm wrong. The old model is also shown. What I find so neat is how it combines the appearances of the Z-95s found in the newer (albeit crappier) Lucas Arts games while retaining the older, "traditional" appearance. The curvature of the hull also lets it act as a logical tech-gap, so-to-say.
-Thaeris
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I'm all for reimagination of all the ugly EU ships.
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Cooooool
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Right here... I can't remember which thread I first saw it in though: http://swc.fs2downloads.com/sshot.php?subdir=Fighters-Rebel/Z-95/
It looks like Brand's work, so I assumed in my last post that it was. Correct me if I'm wrong. The old model is also shown. What I find so neat is how it combines the appearances of the Z-95s found in the newer (albeit crappier) Lucas Arts games while retaining the older, "traditional" appearance. The curvature of the hull also lets it act as a logical tech-gap, so-to-say.
-Thaeris
Wow, now that's a fighter of the Clone Wars! But where are the missile tubes? Are they just simply not visible from most angles?
I think the pics that start with "nu" are the new ones.
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Yes, the two that start with 'Nu-' are Brand's reworkings of maje's original model, which stuck closer to some of the traditional refs.
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My naming conventions:
Nu (New) = A recreated work of higher quality than an original model I've made
NuR (Newer) = A recreation of the Nu series after the hard drive loss
DReim (Definitely Reimagined) = An EU Craft with a reimagined visual redesign.
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I like your naming conventions on a meaning level.
However, I have to admit, they are somehow aesthetically offensive. :p
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My naming conventions:
Nu (New) = A recreated work of higher quality than an original model I've made
NuR (Newer) = A recreation of the Nu series after the hard drive loss
DReim (Definitely Reimagined) = An EU Craft with a reimagined visual redesign.
These names are starting to get a bit confusing and overly complicated.
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Still nowhere close to as confusing and overly complicated as Inferno.
You can get two of them by just pronouncing it :p
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Actually, making them confusing and overly complicated was pretty much the goal.
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Think of it as a warm-up for the actual SW tech, where every item is prefaced with a nonsensical string of letters and numbers. Later there will be a test where you match the picture to the contrived designation, and then your score is used to predict your chances for future social and/or romantic contact!
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Great modelling and texturing here. I've got new wallpaper this way :pimp:
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Think of it as a warm-up for the actual SW tech, where every item is prefaced with a nonsensical string of letters and numbers. Later there will be a test where you match the picture to the contrived designation, and then your score is used to predict your chances for future social and/or romantic contact!
Whoever truthfully gets zero wins. :p
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But how will you know they're not lying about not knowing?
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Torture.
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But how will you know they're not lying about not knowing?
Because they'll have several girls in each arm already?
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And another quick update:
(http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/8384/ewing18.jpg)
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And work begins on the bottom:
(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/6784/ewing19.jpg)
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Reminds me of that scene from Top Gun where he takes a flash photograph of the guy in the MiG.
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This ship is indeed well done, but I will be truly impressed when you will put it in game and let people fly this beauty.
Otherwise, it will be just another E-Wing model.
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Give the man time, the model's not done yet!
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That's glorious, Brand. I still support the old E-Wing for the sake of nostalgia, but I believe this bird would easily tear it to ribbons!
Should FotG implement manual landings (as in Diaspora), will the struts on the wing act as actuators so as to decrease the dihedral and reduce the required landing gear length? I believe someone might have asked this question earlier.
-Thaeris
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That's what I originally planned them to be, and given some work it could be functional.
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Correction. Ye Old E-Wing can (and should) bite the dust. But it seems everyone else has said that already... :nervous:
-Thaeris
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I should know this...and I'm pretty sure I've heard the answer at least once before, but I can't seem to remember:
How does the cockpit open in the E-Wing?
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Thaeris, I've never seen anyone flip flop their opinion so much as you, you should consider running for political office. You hate it, you love it, back and forth =P
Anyways, update time
(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/9963/ewing20.jpg)
As for the E-Wing cockpit, on the original model the top laser has to be removed for it to open. I added a couple lips to either side of the cockpit, with the intention that this one's cockpit slides forward.
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Aaaand, I think I'm about ready to call her done:
(http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/5926/finalewing.png)
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A work of art. How many polies does it stand at?
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Reminds me of that scene from Top Gun where he takes a flash photograph of the guy in the MiG.
"Communicating. Keeping up foriegn relations. You know, giving him the bird!"
:D
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Thaeris, I've never seen anyone flip flop their opinion so much as you, you should consider running for political office. You hate it, you love it, back and forth =P
Anyways, update time
(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/9963/ewing20.jpg)
As for the E-Wing cockpit, on the original model the top laser has to be removed for it to open. I added a couple lips to either side of the cockpit, with the intention that this one's cockpit slides forward.
I never once said I hated it. I just tend to hold onto established designs... (The wing actuators got me for this one...) By the way, is it still 11.2m long or was it lengthened?
-Thaeris
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so the nose is gonna be final?
could you make some more variations of the nose?
somehow i miss the layer from the x-wing nose on the nose of the ewing...maybe you can add a slight residue of that layer to the ewings nose to make it more familiar to the x-wing?
also i don't like the cannons that much. they seem pretty basic.
but apart from that it looks really awesome! can't wait to fly and kick some imperial butt.
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Well as part of it being a successor to the X-Wing, I wanted to keep the lines a little bit neater, it is supposed to be more advanced and I figured that could be one thing I could play up. Also, being as it's used by a real government and not a bunch of rebels who hide them in swamps and jungles, I wanted to keep it cleaner as well.
It's 3500 polies.
And it's 11.15m long
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And another render from a different angle
(http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/55/ssfinalrender.png)
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Thanks Brand
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No worries.
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Sweet pickles and mustard!
This is my new Fave fighter!!
So long Z-95 and Tie-Int!!
(The YT-2400 will always remain my one true love though) ;7
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Hate to say this but I think it actually looks more realistic upside down. Not that there's anything wrong with it the other way. It's probably missing an antenna or something but I can't tell on this little laptop screen. :P
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Been waiting until this one was finished before saying anything, and I must say she's a beaut!
Excellent work Brand-X, got to be honest I wasn't digging the lack of nose cone in some of the earlier pics, but in the final renders it looks bloody awesome.
Kind of curious what you could do with the X-Wing.... Could always call it an XJ :)
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Haha, I think that's reaching a bit far, for now at least.
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Fine fine, T65 A4 hehehe
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I used to hate the E-wing for it's boxy look...
But this is just too beautiful. XD
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If I may inquire, what do you have in mind for the cockpit, Brand?
-Thaeris
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Maybe something like this?
(http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/images/b-52_cockpit_dg_centcom051403.jpg)
Okay I'm kidding, what specifically are you asking?
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I always knew the B-52 would turn into a spaceship...
It's a rather general question, really. I just wonder what the cockpit panel would look like (as you envision it). Or rather, how might it compare to the X-Wing's cockpit, etc.
-Thaeris
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Well I guess to put it simply it'll be like a more sleek and advanced version of the X-Wing's interior, but slightly more cramped. Don't have a specific vision in mind yet.
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It definitely wouldn't be too comfortable in there...
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And another render from a different angle
(http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/55/ssfinalrender.png)
This is old news. However, I just couldn't ignore the glaring semblance :D :
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,46790.20.html
Refer to Reply #23.
-Thaeris
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That's because that drawing was the inspiration for the model.
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Not to mention i asked Brand to render one up in that particular angle :D
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Not to mention i asked Brand to render one up in that particular angle :D
I love those biplanes you drew. That E-Wing? Simply amazing.
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I still want to know who the hell thought sticking a laser directly above the cockpit was a good idea.
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I still want to know who the hell thought sticking a laser directly above the cockpit was a good idea.
no need to set a convergence for it, its nice and close to your aimer physicially, no 'x-wing problem'
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That is a beautiful ship. :yes:
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My impression of the E-wing was that it's an excellent craft, but never the 'pilot's fighter' that the X-wing was.
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That's because you read too much of the later EU books and their XJ-wing masturbation.
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exactly
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I only read zajn and stackpole
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BUMP
for great justice
Scratch-built E-Wing model using Brand-X's model as primary reference (http://www.pienoismallit.net/galleria/malli_8102/), in a Finnish modeling site. I'm certain the model's builder would appreciate comments from the model's creator, if you want I could pass a message from you Brand. :)
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That ****, is the ****, and it's **** hot!
aka :yes:
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I wish it was for sale. I would buy it right away. :yes:
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If you did, I want a cut of the profit =P
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If you did, I want a cut of the profit =P
And I would buy you one too. But I think you would get one for free. :)
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That's awesome, at least our reference got credit. Too bad it didn't link over to our main ModDB page.
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Yeah, but it's at least got the logo on it with the name, so people can easily google us
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Some guys get inspired by your model or not for Freeworlds Tides of War (a Freelancer mod) :)
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/mjr6988/Ewingpic1.jpg)
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/mjr6988/Ewingpic2.jpg)
Source: http://www.moddb.com/news/new-star-wars-starship-models-and-big-announcements/#1551998
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Take the Slayer/Brand E-Wing. Remove awesome. Get result seen above. I hate those intakes, and the design decisions they took that make it differ totally kill the lines.
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I think that looks alright, reminds me a bit more of the x-wing, especially the nose, and it looks like it would be fast
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Well at least in the comments they admit that it's based on my model, so I'm glad to hear that at least. Personally I'm not a fan of their version, but each to their own, I think it just looks too chunky, and the design isn't balanced.
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Still, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, right?
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I prefer people to flatter me by telling me that they find me very attractive and irresistible (preferably women)
=P
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I prefer people to flatter me by telling me that they find me very attractive and irresistible (preferably women)
=P
I want you.
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Don't knock emulation till you've tried it. Works wonders.
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Hi All,
First, I apologize for the thread necro. (It's quasi-relevant and the model deserves to be oogled again anyway)
Does anyone know how to get a hold of Brand? I make small resin models and I'd like to make one based on his fantastic E-wing. I know that he worked with another modeler to make 1/72 and 1/144 E-wings. I make smaller models... 1/270, for tabletop gaming, so my goals and needs are a little different than the other gentleman's. I'd appreciate it if anyone could help out. Thanks.
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Does anyone know how to get a hold of Brand?
Other than by a forum PM, I guess not. I presume you already tried that, in which case I don't think there's much else you can do except hope for a response, but I wouldn't hold my breath. :(
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With conversion help from Water, this one's finally in. :D
(http://swc.fs2downloads.com/media/screenshots/Fighters-Rebel/E-Wing/ingame1.jpg)
(http://swc.fs2downloads.com/media/screenshots/Fighters-Rebel/E-Wing/ingame2.jpg)
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The E-Wing is the one EU design that I don't consider to be a load of garbage... :D So glad it's in! Also, that model is way too sexy to be legal by galactic law.
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The E-Wing is the one EU design that I don't consider to be a load of garbage... :D So glad it's in! Also, that model is way too sexy to be legal by galactic law.
You should have a talk with the community for the X-Wing-Minatures Game ... they hate the guts of that thing ....
But then again the FFG version is far from being as sexy as this one ;)