[General Battuta]

There are externally carried missiles, including some that are carried in bays which open up gorgeously when the missile is selected, but the Uhlan does not have them - just underwing missile pods.

[Commander Zane]

Whats with the disco frigate by the way? What's it do?

[Colonol Dekker]

It's dead centre at 9:30.#


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[Commander Zane]

Oh...the Odysseus, or Upanishad in Blue Planet...
Pretty boring looking ship I think, just a BSG style ship with impractially placed engines.

[Thaeris]

That thar's a ship from ye olde and cancelle'd TOS BSG mod for FS. I'll agree that the running lights are pretty goofy, but the engine placement isn't bad at all. If you want impractical engine placement, refer to most canon FS ships.

However, with the BSG geometry and texture, it does look quite out-of-place...

[General Battuta]

It's a civilian transport. Jovians use the hulls as an electronic platform. It's often repurposed as an ECM ship and beam decoy.

[NGTM-1R]

I knew I shouldn't have left this alone this long. Okay, I'm gonna let most of it lie, but not all.

As I said, I'm drifting away from debating about the UEF, and more about the issue of discipline in general. But when your pilots don't give the respect of even calling superior officers Sir or Ma'am, and they don't get reprimanded for it on the spot, that makes me think the UEF aren't paying much attention to who they give commissions.

Observation: Sir or Ma'am is superficial discipline. Take an example; the British in WW2 were very good about "sir" and saluting superiors and so forth. Their actual field proficency was at best equal with American units where saluting and sirring were treated in more lax fashion, and in some spheres (compare the RN and the USN, for example) they came off significantly worse.

When it comes down to it, the only form of discipline that really matters on the firing line is the ability to take and execute orders. The UEF appears to manage that just as well as anyone does. Their real problems would seem to lie further up the chain of command.

[Woolie Wool]

Come to think of it...
Are all the UEF pilots volunteers or was there a military drafting too?

Drafting is almost always done for enlisted positions only (especially infantry, which you need a whole lot of and which many people who otherwise would join the military voluntarily want to stay way the hell away from). The huge amount of training invested in officers and their relatively small numbers make it impractical to conscript officers.

[Dilmah G]

I knew I shouldn't have left this alone this long. Okay, I'm gonna let most of it lie, but not all.

As I said, I'm drifting away from debating about the UEF, and more about the issue of discipline in general. But when your pilots don't give the respect of even calling superior officers Sir or Ma'am, and they don't get reprimanded for it on the spot, that makes me think the UEF aren't paying much attention to who they give commissions.

Observation: Sir or Ma'am is superficial discipline. Take an example; the British in WW2 were very good about "sir" and saluting superiors and so forth. Their actual field proficency was at best equal with American units where saluting and sirring were treated in more lax fashion, and in some spheres (compare the RN and the USN, for example) they came off significantly worse.

When it comes down to it, the only form of discipline that really matters on the firing line is the ability to take and execute orders. The UEF appears to manage that just as well as anyone does. Their real problems would seem to lie further up the chain of command.

Fair enough, my concern though, is that when we lose those small things, we may generally see a drop in respect for Officers by enlisted personnel, save those that have "earned" that respect, in a time of war such as WiH, where the military wasn't a huge thing in that society.

[General Battuta]

If you'll look at the dialogue in question, she actually apologies for the breach of discipline in rather formal terms.

[Dilmah G]

Dialogue in question? I didn't know we were talking about a specific line... But I know which piece of dialogue you're referring to, and that's all well and good.

[Androgeos Exeunt]

I always thought that the Odysseus looks great.

[Droid803]

It doesn't look like it belongs in FS.
It looks very out of place, no matter how great it looks.

[Androgeos Exeunt]

Really? The front reminds of the Raynor, you know.

[NGTM-1R]

It doesn't look like it belongs in FS.
It looks very out of place, no matter how great it looks.

FS spacecraft have enough variety that this statement cannot work.

It can however work if it looks out of place within a particular lineup that has good unity of design.

[Androgeos Exeunt]

You mean like if it was part of the Vasudan fleet?

[NGTM-1R]

Or if it was dumped in the nuGTVA fleet without a reskin, considering how they're painted the same way.

[Androgeos Exeunt]

Oh yeah, that too...

The image of it on FS Wiki makes it look more Capella-era, in my opinion.

[Leeko]

Great stuff in this trailer, can't wait!
However, why are the UEF using a Great War-era support ship? At least, I think that's what I saw...

[The E]

Why is the GTVA using one?

Simple answer: Because they work.