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Re: TBP 3.5 Work in Progress (Split from Star Fury Pilot Unofficial Patch 2.0 released!)
Because it's not a trade-off; you can either fly at afterburner speeds indefinitely, or you can fly at afterburner speeds for a limited time. One of those is strictly better than the other.
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Re: TBP 3.5 Work in Progress (Split from Star Fury Pilot Unofficial Patch 2.0 released!)
Well, especially in B5 this actually seems to be more true to the original show.

In one of the first episodes in Season 1 Ivanova escapes a Squadron of Raiders in exactly this manner.


After the introduction of the White Star i actually had never the impression that B5 uses Newtonian Physics anymore. If this would be a case, some of the battles in Season 4 and some of White Star's maneuver seems to be hard to imagine. Or the ships in B5 are slow as their Freespace Counterparts.
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Re: TBP 3.5 Work in Progress (Split from Star Fury Pilot Unofficial Patch 2.0 released!)
B5 made a very specific choice to have only Earth ships follow Newtonian physics. Everyone else uses drive mechanisms that aren't based on gas exhaust, and thus uses different physics.
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Re: TBP 3.5 Work in Progress (Split from Star Fury Pilot Unofficial Patch 2.0 released!)
B5 made a very specific choice to have only Earth ships follow Newtonian physics.

I think this was also valid for the Narn and other younger spacefaring races. The White Star was a Vorlon/Minbari hybrid spaceship and had gravitational engines. In fact I disliked that it sometimes showed kind of nozzle flames on his outer wings which made no sense regarding the tech is was based upon!

 
Re: TBP 3.5 Work in Progress (Split from Star Fury Pilot Unofficial Patch 2.0 released!)
Thing is, Narn tech is basically captured/reverse engineered Centauri tech. So there's no reason they wouldn't have gravitic drives when the Centauri do.
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Re: TBP 3.5 Work in Progress (Split from Star Fury Pilot Unofficial Patch 2.0 released!)
As I understand it, the Centauri posses artificial gravity and partial gravitic drive, enough to assist in endurance and acceleration, but not on the level of the Minbari.  The Narn may have captured Centauri tech, but all literature I've encountered (depending on how cannon it is) have indicated that the Narn don't have gravity drive or artificial gravity yet, but their physiology isn't as prone to bone and muscle atrophy as Humans, so they don't need artificial gravity.  In the few times we've seen the interior of Narn warships, we haven't seen any indication of people walking around, and everyone has seat straps on.

As for the White Stars having gravity and thruster engines, think of the difference on space probes which have chemical or ion engines.  One is better at short term speed boosts, but uses its fuel fast.  The other has a lower thrust per second capability, but it is far more efficient in the long term.  The thruster engines on the White Star provide acceleration boosts that the gravity engines alone cannot produce, so the ship uses both to provide the best speed and acceleration.
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Re: TBP 3.5 Work in Progress (Split from Star Fury Pilot Unofficial Patch 2.0 released!)
So glad to see the work being done for this. Thanks to all involved

  

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Re: TBP 3.5 Work in Progress (Split from Star Fury Pilot Unofficial Patch 2.0 released!)
In the few times we've seen the interior of Narn warships, we haven't seen any indication of people walking around, and everyone has seat straps on.

I think JMS confirmed that Narn have no artificial gravity in one of his comments. The really sad thing is that the EA Omerga destroyers even show the same beam openings in the front as the Narn cruisers but due to a misunderstanding their huge power beams were rendered coming out of some small side guns...

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The thruster engines on the White Star provide acceleration boosts that the gravity engines alone cannot produce, so the ship uses both to provide the best speed and acceleration.

I don't believe this as both Minbari and Vorlon fighers move fine and quick with graviational engines only. I also dislike the exposed bridge of the White Star and only half hologramic view, both which are not visible in other Minbari or Vorlon ships. These are very probably all concessions to pimping it optically a bit up...

 

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Re: TBP 3.5 Work in Progress (Split from Star Fury Pilot Unofficial Patch 2.0 released!)
So almost a year has gone by since the start of the thread and nothing has been released. Are you still waiting for something or are you silently working behind the scenes? I had to fix two of the Vorlon campaign missions in my Star Fury Patch recently to make them work with fs2 3.6.9 if people installed the old version, so it would be really cool to have a complete new version with the latest fs2 release active! Also could we somehow include the unused "Into the fire" game music into TBP 3.5? I included a lot of unused music from the original Bloodlines composer Rik Schaffer into my Unofficial Patch because he not only allowed me to do so, but was glad his work was not wasted. Maybe Christopher Franke thinks similar...

 
Re: TBP 3.5 Work in Progress (Split from Star Fury Pilot Unofficial Patch 2.0 released!)
It would have been nice to see more progress. I stirred up a lot of interest in the B5 room and would have liked to bring in some new players.  But such is life with priorities of the real world.

 

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Re: TBP 3.5 Work in Progress (Split from Star Fury Pilot Unofficial Patch 2.0 released!)
Well I am also hoping for some progress, this would be a great one to get into Knossos and really test how it handles TC support, especially with all the optional campaigns (unless it all just gets bundled into one giant TC package, which would probably be fine too).
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Re: TBP 3.5 Work in Progress (Split from Star Fury Pilot Unofficial Patch 2.0 released!)
I've been working on polishing up missions when I have time.
I'd like to get the core TBP files on Knossos and include Raider Wars, since that's the best of the bundled campaigns.  After that, we could release the other ones as they are refreshed.  I don't know what Karajorma wants to do though.
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Re: TBP 3.5 Work in Progress (Split from Star Fury Pilot Unofficial Patch 2.0 released!)
That sounds like a plan to me. We can add the other campaigns later as part of a Knossos update. Thanks to the way Knossos works there's no real need to make a big, one time update.
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Re: TBP 3.5 Work in Progress (Split from Star Fury Pilot Unofficial Patch 2.0 released!)
I've been working on polishing up missions when I have time.
I'd like to get the core TBP files on Knossos and include Raider Wars, since that's the best of the bundled campaigns.  After that, we could release the other ones as they are refreshed.  I don't know what Karajorma wants to do though.

Sounds awesome

 
Re: TBP 3.5 Work in Progress (Split from Star Fury Pilot Unofficial Patch 2.0 released!)
Not to sound too impatient but I was wondering how close this update is to getting uploaded to the Krossos launcher?

 
Re: TBP 3.5 Work in Progress (Split from Star Fury Pilot Unofficial Patch 2.0 released!)
The Facebook Babylon 5 room is very active lately. A lot seem eager to play this the last time I mentioned it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYloWBP79ro

 

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Re: TBP 3.5 Work in Progress (Split from Star Fury Pilot Unofficial Patch 2.0 released!)
I'm currently playing through Raider Wars. If you want to help playtest I can always give you SVN access.
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Re: TBP 3.5 Work in Progress (Split from Star Fury Pilot Unofficial Patch 2.0 released!)
PM sent.   

What version of FSO is working with TBP currently in SVN?

 

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Re: TBP 3.5 Work in Progress (Split from Star Fury Pilot Unofficial Patch 2.0 released!)
What version of FSO is working with TBP currently in SVN?
3.8.0 or later.
[6:23 PM] PIe: why do I have the feeling that I shouldn't be able to give orders to 22nd armored hq
[6:24 PM] Axem: 22nd armored hq, i order you to get me a cup of coffee
[6:24 PM] PIe: and donuts
[6:24 PM] PIe: BECAUSE THIS IS THE GTVA POLICE
[6:25 PM] Axem: :O
[6:25 PM] Axem: am i under arrest
[6:26 PM] [`_`]/: no, just please step out of the myrmidon
[6:26 PM] [`_`]/: you have so much to fred for

 
Re: TBP 3.5 Work in Progress (Split from Star Fury Pilot Unofficial Patch 2.0 released!)
Thats great. I PM'd for a SVN password to check it out