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EA is motivated. Plus GTVA is still recovering from second shivan war. Plus we're bogged down by Vasudans, who can't do S***
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Play the JADs and you'll notice that Vasudans are the ones who can actually do something.
23:40 < achillion > EveningTea: ass
23:40 < achillion > wait no
23:40 < achillion > evilbagel: ass
23:40 < EveningTea > ?
23:40 < achillion > 2-letter tab complete failure

14:08 < achillion > there's too much talk of butts and dongs in here
14:08 < achillion > the level of discourse has really plummeted
14:08 < achillion > Let's talk about politics instead
14:08 <@The_E > butts and dongs are part of #hard-light's brand now
14:08 <@The_E > well
14:08 <@The_E > EvilBagel's brand, at least

01:06 < T-Rog > welp
01:07 < T-Rog > I've got to take some very strong antibiotics
01:07 < achillion > penis infection?
01:08 < T-Rog > Chlamydia
01:08 < achillion > O.o
01:09 < achillion > well
01:09 < achillion > I guess that happens
01:09 < T-Rog > at least it's curable
01:09 < achillion > yeah
01:10 < T-Rog > I take it you weren't actually expecting it to be a penis infection
01:10 < achillion > I was not

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14:05 < achillion > until stuff explodes
14:05 < achillion > then you start thinking about it

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EA is motivated. Plus GTVA is still recovering from second shivan war. Plus we're bogged down by Vasudans, who can't do S***

Canonically, the Vasudan economy is far stronger than the Terran economy, and they, at least, don't seem to make a habit of costly civil wars in the FS2 era.

 

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EA is motivated. Plus GTVA is still recovering from second shivan war. Plus we're bogged down by Vasudans, who can't do S***

Motivated by what, exactly? The GTVA may be recovering from a war, but the EA was still fighting one (with our Jupiter Folk). Instead of making combat capable ships that could defend you now, they went and made a big fat super juggernaut that's going to take decades to complete and won't be defending them from anyone or anything within the next century.

 

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Maybe they did it in stages.

1) Build a honking great big gun in orbit to protect Earth from big nasty things (or to turn upon the planet if need be)

2) Build an engine for it so that it can fly around to other planets and "protect" them

3) Build a reactor to power it so that it can fire multiple times without needing a huge recharge in between

4) Incorporate it into a ship design to further increase its versatility

 

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This discussion is good for INFA2 ideas. :)

 

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Also, you're all forgetting two major factor - the Corporations and the Buget

1) From my understanding GTVA had many corps. all fighting for the big contracts and at the same time watching their profits. Now i imagine that the loss of the Colossus may have hit them hard so, they are cutting potential losses by avoiding an Icanus scale project.
the EA, from what i could tell, the military owns the corporations (so they are sjust shells) or has no corporations at all. Anything done is done directly.

2) The Budget: Sure a great deal must go into the GTVA millitary, what with the shivan threat, but after Capella, a very great deal must have gone into humanitarian/Vasuditarian aid.

The EA on the other hand would pour two thirds of the buget on military. And since the EA is an Earth Supremasist government, they would spend most of the rest looking after Earth naturals - i count that as Earth, Moon and intermediat colonies -  while those born on the other planets/colonies would be treated as second class citizens.
Also, since there would be a smaller population to look after in Sol, they could afford to spend more on the military.
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1) From my understanding GTVA had many corps. all fighting for the big contracts and at the same time watching their profits. Now i imagine that the loss of the Colossus may have hit them hard so, they are cutting potential losses by avoiding an Icanus scale project.
the EA, from what i could tell, the military owns the corporations (so they are sjust shells) or has no corporations at all. Anything done is done directly.

Well the Colossus couldn't have been that much of a hit since they went and created a few more Warlocks and scores of other ships anyway. Besides, the Colossus was more than 30 years ago. As for the EA, I would directly respond to your point but that would be using my knowledge of INFA2, so I'll try to avoid spoilers in this situation.

2) The Budget: Sure a great deal must go into the GTVA millitary, what with the shivan threat, but after Capella, a very great deal must have gone into humanitarian/Vasuditarian aid.

Vasudanitarian... :lol:

Anyway, there were not so many casualties in Capella in comparison to Sol. Sol has fought 3 wars in the time the GTVA fought only one - The Intial War, the Mars - Earth war, and the EA - JC war. And remember, this is only one system: Wars are much shorter, but far costlier (The Martian Uprising and Earth - Mars War last less than a month each). The GTVA may have fought a war, but the EA is still fighting one. In this case, there would be a lot more humanitarian (but not Vasudanitarian :P) aid.

The EA on the other hand would pour two thirds of the buget on military. And since the EA is an Earth Supremasist government, they would spend most of the rest looking after Earth naturals - i count that as Earth, Moon and intermediat colonies -  while those born on the other planets/colonies would be treated as second class citizens.

And the EA is not a Earth supremacist government. The EA was formed because Earth and Mars had beaten the crap out of each other, but needed to team up to kill off the Jovians. It's kind of obvious if you play Inferno Alliance more than once. You are wrong that the Earthers are the only people who matter, the Martians would too; if they were second class they would not have teamed up with the Earthers.

 

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I don't like the word "Earthers", but it still sounds better than "Earthlings" ;)

I think that Darius' explanation has the most merit to it, and I remember seeing a sort of standalone Aurora cannon space station thingy elsewhere in this thread.
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I think that Darius' explanation has the most merit to it, and I remember seeing a sort of standalone Aurora cannon space station thingy elsewhere in this thread.

No, it's called the Punisher.

Besides, me and Mobius are trying to get some good ideas to make the creation of the Icanus really badass and more plausible in INFA2.

  

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Emergency anti-asteroid weapon, meant to destroy small planetoids that had been redirected by dissident elements onto collision courses with Earth or other critical worlds?

Then, erm, tuned?

 

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How about some new eyecandy on the new eyecandy thread.

 

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Emergency anti-asteroid weapon, meant to destroy small planetoids that had been redirected by dissident elements onto collision courses with Earth or other critical worlds?

No, emergency anti-Jovian weapon, meant to destroy small destroyers that had been redirected by annoying admirals onto collisions courses with Earth or other critical worlds.

How about some new eyecandy on the new eyecandy thread.

This is the Inferno Night Cafe. Do you really think a thread will serve its original purpose?

 

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I was just about to say that.
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Snail,

When i made my post, the general discussion seemed to be about INF: R1.

So, i was using Sol: A History as a basis. According to just about everything in that campaign, the Earth Alliance IS Earth Supremist. Just look at the dialogue between the Nemesis and the Jovian Flagship.

Judging by the Nemesis, Icanus, Telemus and Lindos, The EA are fans of the Tarkin Doctrine (see my signature). That fits with the "Earth First, Colonies must dance to the Needs of the Earth" attitude.

Lindos  = Imperial Class Star destroyer
Nemesis = Super Class SD - the executor
Telemus = Eclipse Class Star Destroyer
Icanus = Death Star/Sun Crusher/World Devestator

The GTVA also has a vastly bigger population than Sol, so resources have to be spread accoridngly. With a smaller population and the Earth first attitude, the EA can afford to spend more on the military.
Also, at the end of the 3 wars after the initial rebellion, A lot of Sol's population is dead (mostly those from the Colonies). So even less people to spend money on, thus more money to the millitary.

Ive not yet played INF:A - unfortunatly - ive not gotten to it in the campaigns im going through. So my arguments are based on the R1 universe
Im sure that when i get to INFA and INF SCP ill see the difference

Vasuditarian? many Vasudans killed by NTF

I agree with Darius Scenario for the actual construction
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When i made my post, the general discussion seemed to be about INF: R1.

Which is redundant.

So, i was using Sol: A History as a basis. According to just about everything in that campaign, the Earth Alliance IS Earth Supremist. Just look at the dialogue between the Nemesis and the Jovian Flagship.

Well, Sol A History shouldn't be used here since it's not inf-canon, or canon to anything 'cept Blaise Russel's universe. You're treating SAH as inf-canon; it is not, it is sub-inf-canon. INFA is inf-canon. So the EA is not entirely centered on Earth, it is centered around Earth and Mars.

The GTVA also has a vastly bigger population than Sol, so resources have to be spread accoridngly.

Yes, but they also have a vastly bigger resource pool to draw from.

I agree with Darius Scenario for the actual construction

Yes, Darius' thoughts are basically exactly how it was built, though many components for a large destroyer like the Icanus were drawn up long before the GTA was cut off (before the Great War, even).

 

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Okay in which case i conceed to you're statements

I still blike the Blaise Russels Earth Supremist EA better though.

Here's my thoughs on the Icanus.
Id say the Icanus was originally a "Maximum Battleship". This was an idea proposed by US Senator Benjamin "Pitchfork Ben" Tillman in 1916. Fed up with the Navy requesting funding for bigger and bigger warships, Tillman requested they built the "maximum battleship" Basically the Navy skips all intermediate designs and goes straight to end-product ; the largest size battleship it can actually use. Though none were ever built, the design sketches have influended the design of nearly every Battleship built since then.

It say the main body of the Icanus was originally designed to be the space-based version "Maximum Battleship". But for whatever reason ,the plans were shelved.

The Punisher Beam cannon, was built to destroy Lucifers by firing uses of beam weapons capable of overwhelming the Lucy's shields. However, it was found to be two vulnerable to attack on its own. When trying to find a way to avoid this, someone dug up these old plans for the Space "Maximum Battleship" and realised that it was the perfect mount for the Punisher.

With a little jiggery-pokery, this and Darius' Thoughts can be made compatible
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It say the main body of the Icanus was originally designed to be the space-based version "Maximum Battleship". But for whatever reason ,the plans were shelved.

The Punisher Beam cannon, was built to destroy Lucifers by firing uses of beam weapons capable of overwhelming the Lucy's shields. However, it was found to be two vulnerable to attack on its own. When trying to find a way to avoid this, someone dug up these old plans for the Space "Maximum Battleship" and realised that it was the perfect mount for the Punisher.
That fits in with how the Icanus was designed before the TV war.
Gettin' back to dodgin' lasers.

 
So, for that shipset (look at one page ago), is it going to be in INFASA, or do we have to wait for INFA2?
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I think that Darius' explanation has the most merit to it, and I remember seeing a sort of standalone Aurora cannon space station thingy elsewhere in this thread.

No, it's called the Punisher.

Besides, me and Mobius are trying to get some good ideas to make the creation of the Icanus really badass and more plausible in INFA2.

There's something unexpectable and cool in the works about the Icanus :nod:
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