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Offline ARSPR

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More speed than speed limit while turning (BtRL) ???
I suppose this is not a bug but some kind of feature I didn't know about. I post it here rather than mantising.

Take a look at the screenshot. My ship speed limit is 200 but when I turn hard I reach 350. What's happening?

Thanks in advance.

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Re: More speed than speed limit while turning (BtRL) ???
Momentum I guess...
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Offline Turey

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Re: More speed than speed limit while turning (BtRL) ???
It's a side-effect of the high damp values. Combined with a timely use of Glide, you could do things like this:
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Offline Backslash

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Re: More speed than speed limit while turning (BtRL) ???
It is really silly IMO, especially when watching someone else's ship do it in multiplayer.  I (and Turey :yes:) added an option that fixes this:
in ai_profiles.tbl, add to the end:
Code: [Select]
$use newtonian dampening:               YESThis only works on builds made after 2007.07.19
I'm hoping to convince the BtRL crew that this option is necessary ;)

 

Offline Flipside

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Re: More speed than speed limit while turning (BtRL) ???
Wasn't there a trick similar to this in Descent where you could go faster than your ships top speed? It was called Tri-vectoring or something?

Edit: Or maybe Tri-chording?
« Last Edit: September 02, 2007, 06:01:34 pm by Flipside »

 

Offline Turey

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Re: More speed than speed limit while turning (BtRL) ???
It is really silly IMO, especially when watching someone else's ship do it in multiplayer.  I (and Turey :yes:) added an option that fixes this:
in ai_profiles.tbl, add to the end:
Code: [Select]
$use newtonian dampening:               YESThis only works on builds made after 2007.07.19
I'm hoping to convince the BtRL crew that this option is necessary ;)

Actually, with the changes to Glide, I don't see it as being needed for BtRL. The problem wasn't seeing them move at this speed while turning, but watching them use Glide to turn this sideways momentum into forward momentum. With the Glide speed cap, you can't do this, and you can still dodge the BtRL missiles (with this newtonian dampening, it slows you down while turning to the point where you can't dodge them anymore.)
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why would an SCP error be considered as news? :wtf: *smacks Cobra*It's a feature.

 

Offline ARSPR

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Re: More speed than speed limit while turning (BtRL) ???
Well, I don't know if it has something to do with this, but enemy fighters (Cylons  or something like that ???) move extremely fast (turning) till you hit them the very first time, then they slow down quite a lot. At least for me it seems quite unrealistic...
IF YOU HAVE TROUBLES WITH FS2:
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  • If you think that you've discovered a bug, mantis it.
    Provide as much info as you can, and try to narrow it down. A lonely "FS2 doesn't work" is not a good report.

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Offline jr2

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Re: More speed than speed limit while turning (BtRL) ???
Edit: Or maybe Tri-chording?

:yes: ... hold down the slide in one direction whilst applying acceleration = 1337  :cool:

 

Offline Mars

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Re: More speed than speed limit while turning (BtRL) ???
Is it the same code that causes this to happen in both FS2 and the Descents

 

Offline Topgun

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Re: More speed than speed limit while turning (BtRL) ???
Is it the same code that causes this to happen in both FS2 and the Descents
no. not really anyway.

 

Offline jr2

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Re: More speed than speed limit while turning (BtRL) ???
IDK, but there is some Descent code in FS.  *shrugs* not sure if any of it was left un-altered, though.