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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
Yeah, the game is good up until the last ten minutes. If you can deal with making up your own ending, I'd still suggest getting it.
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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
Wow. Talk about cashing it in. And to think, I used to be excited about this game. Oh well. I've got plenty to play already. So sad to see BioWare go the same way as all the other devs who have been swallowed up by EA and run into the ground. Ah BioWare, we hardly knew ya.

Of course, it's just opinion, but this sounds so ridiculous that I'm not buying it. Or using any other means to acquire it.

The game is fantastic until - yeah, the last ten minutes. It's almost a perfect conclusion to the series as long as you turn it off at the right moment.

 

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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
So many fanfics of the last ten minutes are coming.
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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
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I just wanted to go back to having a multi-species cooperative galactic civilization :-(
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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
Finished ME3 yesterday. Spoilers following.
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The hell is with the crappy journal? It never changes to reflect current state of a mission, like when you've acquired the item the mission needs. Certainly, this wasn't much of an issue since people you need to find are all in the Citadel and any items you miss out on can be acquired from the Spectre console. The security checkpoint before war room slows player down so much it's annoying. Fuel. It's next to pointless in ME3 and now there are even fewer fuel depots than there were in ME2. It's just silly because in ME3 there's not much exploration unless you really want to go out of your way to ping every corner of the galaxy. And in the process gain reaper presence, ugh.

As a sequel to ME2, I think ME3 is pretty good game overall. However, on it's own it wouldn't be nowhere as good as ME1 or ME2. The game was completely designed around not having much of any focus on side-missions, you pretty much go to a planet, ping, launch probe, collect. These side missions feel so pointless that I would have preferred they would have been cut out completely, and instead picked a few of them and made them into part of the main missions like Cerberus missions. That would have brought more variety to missions. The game is much more focused on the main mission than any other Bioware game I've played to date. It works for a sequel and final game of the ME trilogy, so it's not much of a handicap. Those who haven't played ME1 and ME2 would probably find this game rather shallow.

I wish they'd have brought out back the level of customization we had in ME1, but this is better than ME2 at least. You really had a lot of choices for your armor, weapons and mods back in ME1. As far as weapon mods in ME3 go, it seems that getting scope and longer barrel is a no brainer. I wondered about the anti-armor mod though, but it seemed to lower base damage too much for my liking. Also, weapon upgrades. I honestly couldn't tell a difference between I and V level Mattock except for how much ammo it could have. I wonder how significant these weapon upgrades were supposed to be. In ME1 though, armor and weapon upgrades could make your team so strong missions became pretty much a cakewalk.

There's not really that much to spend money on, unless you want to get those Spectre weapons. But IMO they're worse than what you get in missions anyway, so what's the point. I think I only bought two armor pieces to maximize my weapon damage, which I think topped out at +50% and weapon upgrades for the weapons I thought were the best in their class. SMG's seemed totally worthless though, even compared to pistols. As for me, Mattock and Widow ftw.


And now the ending. When you confront IM, the last dialogue option gives you paragon/renegade options, but they're both grayed out for me. Even though I SHOULD have maxed out paragon as I completed every mission I found. What the heck is with that? Failing the dialogue check, your only option is to go renegade and shoot IM, there is no paragon option after dialogue. From what I understood, apparently destroying reapers also means destroying the geth, relays and most of technology which would kill a lot of people whose live literally depends on technology. This option is so silly that it's not even an option. Now, who the hell wants to merge organics and synthetics just like that, it's way too abrupt a change to force on everyone. Which leaves the third option, controlling the Reapers. Now, this option apparently saves the geth, relays and tech, so it's the only sensible option out of the three. Especially after it was confirmed Shepard IS able to control the Reapers, unlike IM. But then, what the **** is with the Normandy cutscene, it makes no bloody sense whatsoever. And after credits, what planet is that supposed to be?

Aside of super silly ending options and the even sillier Normandy cutscene at the end, ME3 is a good game if you treat it as a sequel to ME2, which you should. But goddamn it, the ending bugs me SO much. Even more than the silly plot device where you so conveniently find a lead to destroy Reapers right after they attack Earth. As stand-alone games ME1 and ME2 are better than ME3. Don't get me wrong, ME3 has solid improvements in key areas of gameplay, but the complete package leaves something to be desired. ME2 had a ****ty ending with that human reaper and all, but I think ME2 had less faults than ME3 does. But I think ME1 had even less faults than ME2 did, ME1's biggest issue was the inventory system, but other than that it was pretty damn solid, including a good ending.

I could have forgiven a lot of things in ME3, but come on was it really too much to ask to have an ending we could be satisfied with? It just leaves a sour aftertaste. Is ME3 worth buying? Hell yes if you've got ME1 and ME2 and liked them.
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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
You really are grasping at straws to stick to your opinion that this game is bad, aren't you? I mean, nearly every single point you have raised in the previous thread as being a bad decision turns out to be actually well-executed in the actual game, or at least that's the opinion of people who have actually played it (and who are not on BSN).

Or at least that's your opinion.
If you truly like it, more power to you.

But it's not just his opinion, it's the opinion of virtually everyone who has played the game. I see no-one complaining about the omniblade other than you when you haven't even played the game yet. Hell, I was skeptic of it at first, thought it was too "cawl of dooty/gears of war" style, but it's actually fun. If you still don't like it, just tap F instead of holding it down and do a normal melee hit.  :rolleyes:

"Virtually everyone" my ass. There was a lot of complaining about it and there still is.

And the writing is so ham-fisted, I cannot even grasp how anyone can call it "great". I've seen better fanfiction out there.
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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
Yes, so have I.  Then again, some fanfictions are pretty ****ing awesome, so I (deliberately) fail to see your (poorly worded) complaint.

 

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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
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And now the ending. When you confront IM, the last dialogue option gives you paragon/renegade options, but they're both grayed out for me. Even though I SHOULD have maxed out paragon as I completed every mission I found. What the heck is with that? Failing the dialogue check, your only option is to go renegade and shoot IM, there is no paragon option after dialogue.
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I had enough paragon to convince him he was indoctrinated. He suicides himself à la Saren. Quite lacking in creativity if you ask me.
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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
Ending spoiler for Fury:

Spoiler:
You can only persuade the Illusive Man if you've attempted to persuade him in every previous encounter, and there's a dialogue on Mars, early in the game, when you have to take one of the left-side conversation options to unlock the persuade.

 

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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynYgr1rqEec

A somewhat reasonable video explaining the endings as attempted indoctrination. It sort of makes sense, considering how absolutely absurd the ending elements are, or maybe I'm just desperately reaching to for some sort of hope that BioWare didn't troll us.
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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynYgr1rqEec

A somewhat reasonable video explaining the endings as attempted indoctrination. It sort of makes sense, considering how absolutely absurd the ending elements are, or maybe I'm just desperately reaching to for some sort of hope that BioWare didn't troll us.
that... makes an absurd amount of sense.
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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
If Bioware is doing what I think they're doing, I can't help but applaud them for trying something incredibly ambitious and risky. There's a chance of intense backlash from the gamers, and indeed that has been happening - however it is starting to seem increasingly likely that they might have something in store for the game yet, and more and more people are starting to be suspicious rather than furious about the ending.

If they do release a DLC containing an actually good ending for the story, I can see them being forgiven, because firstly All Just A Dream is not exactly an overused trope in video games, and secondly it would make perfect sense for the current ending(s) to be indoctrination-induced hallucinations for the sole reason of Shepard being alive and on the Earth at the end - a case of No One Could Survive That, if you will.

So, if they do it right, they have not only a chance of reclaiming themselves in the eyes of their customers, but also sort of make history by releasing the proper ending after a bit of time for all who bought the game. However, they will have to play the timing just right - not too early, when there is still a huge ****storm going around, but not too late or the interest in the issue will fade and the rage and disappointment will be left as the prominent memories the players have for the game series.

In the words of the poet:

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In a way, if they manage to add in a good quality ending, it's actually going to transform the initial ending into one of the most ingenious mind****s I have ever seen. All that RAGE spent over the initial "endings"... transformed into a historical record of Bioware's epic troll.


However if they have the audacity to try and charge extra for something that should be an integral part of the game, there will be riots on the streets, heads will roll and a great torrent will wash away the corruption and decay that is corporate greed, bit by bit. Even EA can't be that stupid... right?

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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
If they do release a DLC containing an actually good ending for the story.
That would be so awesome. :yes:

However if they have the audacity to try and charge extra for something that should be an integral part of the game, there will be riots on the streets, heads will roll and a great torrent will wash away the corruption and decay that is corporate greed, bit by bit. Even EA can't be that stupid... right?
My thoughts exactly. :nervous:

 

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Came in here to post what's already the consensus: good to great--hell, I'm just going to call it great, given how often I was tearing up--until that ending, which dried my watery eyes and replaced my sorrow with stupefaction.
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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynYgr1rqEec

A somewhat reasonable video explaining the endings as attempted indoctrination. It sort of makes sense, considering how absolutely absurd the ending elements are, or maybe I'm just desperately reaching to for some sort of hope that BioWare didn't troll us.
that... makes an absurd amount of sense.
...indeed. I am not familiar enough with Bioware works to estimate how likely something like that would be. But given how much Shepard has been in contact with reaper tech, and how much attention he has attracted from the reapers, indoctrination is a perfectly reasonable hypothesis, however strong her mind can be.
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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
I don't think Bioware's writing team is nearly clever or coordinated enough to pull that off.

 

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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
Rumors now spreading that the people who wrote most of the game were isolated from the writer(s) who did the ending and are deeply unhappy with how little input they had.

i, for one, am profoundly, profoundly surprised

 

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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
would be a really great thing if shepard really were an Unreliable Narrator in the endings and this is all a Mind Screw. The stone rubble in the cutscene is a definitive hint. But seeing as the Cutscene department probably got a request like "make a short scene with the n7 armor buried in rubble and then moving"  occams razors leads me more to think that's just a continuity error. we'll see. I'm not that angry with the endings as most of you guys so im not gonna graps at straws. The ending could have been better yes, but they are not THAT bad in my opinion. It clearly represents the illusion of choice that you have through the whole game (where you can solve all problems with both paragon AND renegade) only reversed and saying doesn't matter what you choose you're ****ed. Which is also a overarcing theme of 3 in general. This war is going to cost no way around it.
It's just it cost way more than you expected from a normal video game standpoint which leads to the great disappointment all around. Somehow really far back in my head i think that BioWare intentionally pulled the rug from under us at the last moment so there will be a big ****storm.
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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
I don't think it represents that at all, but the problem with the ending is not that it's fundamentally a bad idea, but that it's badly executed. Why is the Normandy running away from the climactic fight for all creation? How did your squadmates get teleported to the Normandy? Why does EDI miraculously survive the Destroy ending for some people, when all synthetic life is supposed to be wiped out?

There's cut content on the disc which seems to explain some of this. Bioware clearly just ran out of time.

 

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Re: Mass Effect 3: You Invaded the Wong Planet [SPOILERS]
I don't think it represents that at all, but the problem with the ending is not that it's fundamentally a bad idea, but that it's badly executed. Why is the Normandy running away from the climactic fight for all creation? How did your squadmates get teleported to the Normandy? Why does EDI miraculously survive the Destroy ending for some people, when all synthetic life is supposed to be wiped out?

There's cut content on the disc which seems to explain some of this. Bioware clearly just ran out of time.
1.) There are 2 blasts first around the citadel and then the one which transfers between relays. If I were joker I would get the **** out of there once i see the first blast.
2.) Theres some time missing while you were uncouncious and on the citadel so they shuttled back? ( Yeah i no that one is weak)
3.) That sounds like a bug that gametesting should have caught yes i agree with you there.
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