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Off-Topic Discussion => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: nvsblmnc on April 14, 2008, 02:32:16 pm
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There's a rifle/smg that's made an appearance in several games and tv series, and I've been trying to find out what it's really called. All I find, though, are references to the games and series that I already know about.
It's been in:
Perfect Dark (As the RC-P120)
Chrome (as the Matson CAFS)
UT2K4 (Can't remember what it was called)
Lost Panet (although I think that might have been a FAMAS)
And it was also used in at least one episode of Stargate SG-1, before they went back to the P-90s.
Does anyone know if it's based on a real weapon, or is it just a cool-looking prop?
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I think they are all based on the P90.
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The Perfect Dark RC-P120 is not an actual gun. It looks like the used the FN P90 for inspiration but its not a real weapon that I know about.
Don't know some of the other references. Which SG-1 episode? There is only a couple of episodes in SG-1 where they use a rifle I didn't know (that was in Avenger 2.0 and Lost City). In Season 9 & 10 there were some appearances of a G-36 and a few MP7s.
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They look like a cross between the real life FN-P90, always a darling of the gaming industryhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_P90 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_P90), and the M-41A pulse rifle from aliens http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M41a (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M41a). Both known for their futuristic design, and absurd magazine capacities.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tau%27ri_technology_in_Stargate#Firearms
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There's a rifle/smg that's made an appearance in several games and tv series, and I've been trying to find out what it's really called. All I find, though, are references to the games and series that I already know about.
It's been in:
Perfect Dark (As the RC-P120)
Chrome (as the Matson CAFS)
UT2K4 (Can't remember what it was called)
Lost Panet (although I think that might have been a FAMAS)
And it was also used in at least one episode of Stargate SG-1, before they went back to the P-90s.
Does anyone know if it's based on a real weapon, or is it just a cool-looking prop?
These look like a hybrid of FAMAS and P90 to me.
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You're probably thinking of the H&K G36K, the compact carbine version of the G36 rifle. It chambers 5.56mm NATO rounds.
The standard G36K (in use today) has been used in modified forms, such as that pulse rifle, in several movies and games. It looks somewhat similar to Fabrique Nationale's FAMAS.
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It's the P90, buy one here.....
http://www.impactguns.com/store/fn_p90.html
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You're probably thinking of the H&K G36K, the compact carbine version of the G36 rifle. It chambers 5.56mm NATO rounds.
The standard G36K (in use today) has been used in modified forms, such as that pulse rifle, in several movies and games. It looks somewhat similar to Fabrique Nationale's FAMAS.
Heyyyy, the Aliens pulse rifle wasn't a modified G36K...or do you mean one of the other ones he provided?
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The M41 predated the G36K. It was a Tommy gun and a shotgun in a plastic case, iirc.
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All you ever wanted to know about the Aliens weapon: http://www.m41a.com/ (http://www.m41a.com/)
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(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/3904/gunpz8.png) (http://imageshack.us)
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I have a suspicion that we're talking about several different weapons in all of those various sources and they have just been misidentified as being the same weapon.
It does happen...many tend to look similar at first. I thought for a little while that the rifles used in Battlestar Galactica were FN SCAR's until I had a closer look and realized they weren't. Forget what they were actually...but I had tracked it down at one point.
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IceFire's probably right.
www.carnwyffa.u-net.com/GUNS/g36ccomparison.jpg
That's the G36K on top, and the G36C on bottom.
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The G36 is a really interesting weapons family. There is also the MG36 and the G36E (which I think is a export version lacking some features I think). I really like the 36C...such a compact design for what amounts to nearly a full fledged rifle with some tradeoffs.
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sorta like the AR15, M16, and M4? all are basically the same but with minor differences, and nowhere as cool a the G36
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Well the AR15 to my knowledge is just a civilian version of the M16. The M4 is a shortened carbine of the M16...but there is no MG or sniper variation to my knowledge from the M16. Nothing in wide use that I know about. Most of the newer rifles are a family of variations from the start like the G36, the XM8 prototypes (canned apparently), Type 95, etc.
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Well the AR15 to my knowledge is just a civilian version of the M16. The M4 is a shortened carbine of the M16...but there is no MG or sniper variation to my knowledge from the M16. Nothing in wide use that I know about. Most of the newer rifles are a family of variations from the start like the G36, the XM8 prototypes (canned apparently), Type 95, etc.
The AR-15 is a rifle that was considered for use by the military, the M-16 is the modification of the AR-15 that was accepted.
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Well the AR15 to my knowledge is just a civilian version of the M16. The M4 is a shortened carbine of the M16...but there is no MG or sniper variation to my knowledge from the M16. Nothing in wide use that I know about. Most of the newer rifles are a family of variations from the start like the G36, the XM8 prototypes (canned apparently), Type 95, etc.
Actually, the M4 is a different weapon altogether. M16's chamber a 7.62mm NATO round; the M4 chambers a 5.56mm NATO round. The carbine design is based on the design of the M16, but in terms of its ballistics its quite a different firearm.
The AR15 is the design prototype (AR = assault rifle) for the AR-15 civilian variant, M-16, and M-4 design, but the AR15 is also based off the 5.56mm cartridge as opposed to the 7.62mm. Interestingly, an AR-15 is really nothing more than a high-powered .22 calibre semiautomatic rifle; 5.56mm NATO rounds are merely steel-jacketed .22 calibre rounds with extended powder capacity; the next evolution of the .22LR ammunition type. They travel faster and farther than a .22LR round, but the actual diameter is nearly identical.
The G36 family consists primary of the G36 (long rifle), G36K (carbine), and G36C (Commado; short-barelled CQB weapon based loosely off the H&K's UMP design). Like the M16 family, the long rifle chambers 7.62mm ammunition while the shorter carbine and commando variants are 5.56mm.
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The M16 and M4 are both chambered for 5.56. Ballistically speaking the M4s muzzle velocity is slightly slower and it's slightly less accurate. Practically the M4 jams quadruple from the M16 in the field
AR10 is about as close as you're gonna find to a 7.62 NATO M16
Oh... and the M-16 has many varients Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M16_rifle#Colt_Model_655_and_656_.22Sniper.22_variants)
You can't make 8,000,000 guns over 4 decades and a dozen countries without some variation. Go look at the AK
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Actually, the M4 is a different weapon altogether. M16's chamber a 7.62mm NATO round; the M4 chambers a 5.56mm NATO round. The carbine design is based on the design of the M16, but in terms of its ballistics its quite a different firearm.
The AR15 is the design prototype (AR = assault rifle) for the AR-15 civilian variant, M-16, and M-4 design, but the AR15 is also based off the 5.56mm cartridge as opposed to the 7.62mm. Interestingly, an AR-15 is really nothing more than a high-powered .22 calibre semiautomatic rifle; 5.56mm NATO rounds are merely steel-jacketed .22 calibre rounds with extended powder capacity; the next evolution of the .22LR ammunition type. They travel faster and farther than a .22LR round, but the actual diameter is nearly identical.
The G36 family consists primary of the G36 (long rifle), G36K (carbine), and G36C (Commado; short-barelled CQB weapon based loosely off the H&K's UMP design). Like the M16 family, the long rifle chambers 7.62mm ammunition while the shorter carbine and commando variants are 5.56mm.
Yeah, Ryan, where did you get this idea that the long M16 and G36K are chambered in 7.62mm?
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I'd like to know that too... :wtf:
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Well the AR15 to my knowledge is just a civilian version of the M16. The M4 is a shortened carbine of the M16...but there is no MG or sniper variation to my knowledge from the M16. Nothing in wide use that I know about. Most of the newer rifles are a family of variations from the start like the G36, the XM8 prototypes (canned apparently), Type 95, etc.
Actually, the M4 is a different weapon altogether. M16's chamber a 7.62mm NATO round; the M4 chambers a 5.56mm NATO round. The carbine design is based on the design of the M16, but in terms of its ballistics its quite a different firearm.
The AR15 is the design prototype (AR = assault rifle) for the AR-15 civilian variant, M-16, and M-4 design, but the AR15 is also based off the 5.56mm cartridge as opposed to the 7.62mm. Interestingly, an AR-15 is really nothing more than a high-powered .22 calibre semiautomatic rifle; 5.56mm NATO rounds are merely steel-jacketed .22 calibre rounds with extended powder capacity; the next evolution of the .22LR ammunition type. They travel faster and farther than a .22LR round, but the actual diameter is nearly identical.
The G36 family consists primary of the G36 (long rifle), G36K (carbine), and G36C (Commado; short-barelled CQB weapon based loosely off the H&K's UMP design). Like the M16 family, the long rifle chambers 7.62mm ammunition while the shorter carbine and commando variants are 5.56mm.
As far as I know the M16 family does not use the 7.62mm...and thats actually a controversy right now as soliders at checkpoints in Iraq are complaining that the 5.56 does not penetrate engine blocks easily enough to stop these cars before they run the checkpoint. I think thats also partly the reason why SOCOM went with the SCAR-L/H setup as they can use the 5.56 when they want and the 7.62 when they want with minimal differences in the parts required to fire either bullet.
I'm also not aware of any G36s with 7.62 capability. They all fire the 5.56.
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Maybe he's thinking of the M14, which was a .30-06?
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M-14 was 7.62 NATO, what is with people and calibers? The M1 was .3-6
I think the SCAR-H is supposed to use 7.62x39mm, not 7.62x51mm NATO
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*smacks forehead*
I was thinking of the M14 and H&K G3A3 (versus the G36), which are both chambered in 7.62. My bad. That's what I get for writing immediately after a night shift :P
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M-14 was 7.62 NATO, what is with people and calibers? The M1 was .3-6
I think the SCAR-H is supposed to use 7.62x39mm, not 7.62x51mm NATO
The SCAR-H is supposed to use 7.62 NATO... what is it with people and calibers?
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M-14 was 7.62 NATO, what is with people and calibers? The M1 was .3-6
I think the SCAR-H is supposed to use 7.62x39mm, not 7.62x51mm NATO
The SCAR-H is supposed to use 7.62 NATO... what is it with people and calibers?
SCAR-H is supposed to use both 7.62x51mm NATO and the russian 7.62x39mm
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as70-e.htm (http://world.guns.ru/assault/as70-e.htm)
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M-14 was 7.62 NATO, what is with people and calibers? The M1 was .3-6
I think the SCAR-H is supposed to use 7.62x39mm, not 7.62x51mm NATO
The SCAR-H is supposed to use 7.62 NATO... what is it with people and calibers?
SCAR-H is supposed to use both 7.62x51mm NATO and the russian 7.62x39mm
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as70-e.htm (http://world.guns.ru/assault/as70-e.htm)
Always go for primary sources. When they were initially attempting to "sell" the rifle they claimed that it could use both; currently it can only use one. Here you go: http://www.fnhusa.com/mil/products/firearms/family.asp?fid=FNF055&gid=FNG020
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Well the AR15 to my knowledge is just a civilian version of the M16. The M4 is a shortened carbine of the M16...but there is no MG or sniper variation to my knowledge from the M16. Nothing in wide use that I know about. Most of the newer rifles are a family of variations from the start like the G36, the XM8 prototypes (canned apparently), Type 95, etc.
The Ar-15 is missing some things the m16 has. I think it is calssified as rifle so it can be sold legally, while the M16 is an assault rifle so only military and law enforcement can use them. As far as a sniper version, you can Get a M16A4 with a modified barrel, attached scope, 3lb 2 stage trigger, and bipod, is as close to "sniper" as it comes for a M16, and its freakin close and looks sexy. The M16A1 was full auto, but the military realized that after 3 rounds you are missing because of the recoil
The M16 and M4 are both chambered for 5.56. Ballistically speaking the M4s muzzle velocity is slightly slower and it's slightly less accurate. Practically the M4 jams quadruple from the M16 in the field
Less accurate? the only thing is it is harder to maintain a steady aim with a shorter weapon, the distance from the front to rear sight post magnifies small movements, so the longer the distance the more you can see how much your aim is shifting. Personally I scored higher on rifle qual with a M4 than I ever did with a M16
As for jamming more, not really, it has the same upper and lower receiver as a M16, just a different but stock and barrel. Maybe just soldiers not taking care of their weapons. The only jamming problems Ive had were caused by the mag double feeding or failing in some other way.
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No love for the Colt Commando (http://world.guns.ru/assault/as50-e.htm), the realllly short version of the M16? Ten inch barrel as opposed to the rifle's twenty. Apparently not a very widely distributed weapon.
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Interesting, the regular m16 will make you go deaf fast if you arent wearing ear plugs, so I cant imagine how loud that would have been to make them not use it
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*smacks forehead*
I was thinking of the M14 and H&K G3A3 (versus the G36), which are both chambered in 7.62. My bad. That's what I get for writing immediately after a night shift :P
That immediately makes more sense :)
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M-14 was 7.62 NATO, what is with people and calibers? The M1 was .3-6
I think the SCAR-H is supposed to use 7.62x39mm, not 7.62x51mm NATO
Uh...I was under the impression 7.62 Nato is .30-06
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M-14 was 7.62 NATO, what is with people and calibers? The M1 was .3-6
I think the SCAR-H is supposed to use 7.62x39mm, not 7.62x51mm NATO
Uh...I was under the impression 7.62 Nato is .30-06
.30-06 is 7.62 x 63mm.
The 7.62x51mm NATO is far more similar to the .308 Winchester.
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Not too sure about the original question, but I generally visit this absurdly detailed Russian gun site (http://world.guns.ru/main-e.htm) when I'm curious if there's a real life counterpart to some weapon I've seen in a video game or the like.