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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => The Modding Workshop => Topic started by: Krackers87 on September 01, 2008, 09:35:01 pm

Title: Want to get your Models in a full game?
Post by: Krackers87 on September 01, 2008, 09:35:01 pm
Im currently beta-testing for a game called beyond protocol www.beyondprotocol.com which is a space empire MMORTS thats still being developed. Its being made by a small time company called darksky, and currently allot of the models in the game pale (greatly) to the work that comes from you guys on this board.

Ive been talking allot with the developers about getting better models in the game, and i showed them some of the models made here, and they were stunned.

Essentially, they're willing to consider anyone's work who wants to submit it for consideration, and trust me, there's a good chance of it making it into the full game.

Unfortunately actually monetary payment is unlikely, however they'll give full artist credits and im going to make sure before any models are considered that everyone will still have the ability to do whatever they want with their own work.

This a great opportunity for anyone who wants to show off their skills to the world and would look great for anyone trying to get into the graphics business to already have work in a published game.

Ontop of that at a personal level, i think it would be great fun to be able to play with these ships in a full game, and i'd be willing to help anyone who submits work to get into the closed beta.

And just to make sure no one freaks out, im not sending in anything without artist approval.

Edit: Dont worry about poly counts, texture size or number, or whether or not it will work in game in its current state, just worry about if its pretty. The devs have given me no guidelines on polys or such, and if/when they do i'll foward the information on.
Title: Re: Want to get your Models in a full game?
Post by: Akalabeth Angel on September 01, 2008, 09:45:33 pm
Some of those screenshots have a crapload of ships in them. Presumably the requirements for that game would be somewhat different. Assuming that many of those are cruiser sized, for example this: http://www.beyondprotocol.com/phpbb2/album_pic.php?pic_id=137 (http://www.beyondprotocol.com/phpbb2/album_pic.php?pic_id=137) I dunno if a person could throw in the equivalent of like a HTL Fenris or what have you.
Title: Re: Want to get your Models in a full game?
Post by: Krackers87 on September 01, 2008, 09:48:30 pm
well, let the devs worry about making the game run smoothly, Im just trying to send them some pretty stuff to replace alot of the really simple models they have, im also sending some of my work in.
Title: Re: Want to get your Models in a full game?
Post by: Colonol Dekker on September 01, 2008, 10:09:45 pm
What format do they prefer?
Title: Re: Want to get your Models in a full game?
Post by: Krackers87 on September 02, 2008, 05:03:01 am
make them .cobs

they want me to send pictures that way i can make renders in TS and plus prettify the images sent. plus cobs are versatile in what they can be converted to.

If they ask for a specific type i'll post it here/convert them myself/ask for a converted file from said author
Title: Re: Want to get your Models in a full game?
Post by: TrashMan on September 02, 2008, 05:21:58 am
Hm...interesting...and tempting... I might donate a ship or two to the cause...

I just have to decide which ones.
Capitals are out of the question ATM, since that being a RTS, each ships uses just one texture I suppose.

Did they give you any specifics? Polycount per ship class? Texture size, depth, number?
Title: Re: Want to get your Models in a full game?
Post by: TrashMan on September 02, 2008, 03:16:58 pm
Looking at the screenshots I can safely say that some of those ships have really bad texture jobs.

Is that...a Phoenix battleship from Allegiance? Ye Gods, it is! The same model!
Title: Re: Want to get your Models in a full game?
Post by: Hellstryker on September 02, 2008, 11:29:44 pm
You can have the HTL Hussar, I suppose. Tis not like it's a spoiler anymore... I'll wait for bengals approval though
Title: Re: Want to get your Models in a full game?
Post by: PL_Harpoon on September 03, 2008, 07:31:21 am
Very intresting, but i hope they`ll get their website online ASAP, so I can see some screenies to check the design used here and all the similar stuff :)
Title: Re: Want to get your Models in a full game?
Post by: Getter Robo G on September 03, 2008, 08:13:14 am
Apparently their site is down?
Title: Re: Want to get your Models in a full game?
Post by: Krackers87 on September 03, 2008, 08:54:27 am
Hm...interesting...and tempting... I might donate a ship or two to the cause...

I just have to decide which ones.
Capitals are out of the question ATM, since that being a RTS, each ships uses just one texture I suppose.

Did they give you any specifics? Polycount per ship class? Texture size, depth, number?

Don't worry about number of textures and stuff like that, as i said before, they can worry about getting it to work. They need cap ships too.
 If theres a major issue with any of these things, i'll put it here, but don't assume anything.

Apparently their site is down?
Its back up now, the servers go down from time to time.
Title: Re: Want to get your Models in a full game?
Post by: Krackers87 on September 03, 2008, 09:06:22 am
You can have the HTL Hussar, I suppose. Tis not like it's a spoiler anymore... I'll wait for bengals approval though

Send me a link if he give it the thumbs up.
Title: Re: Want to get your Models in a full game?
Post by: TrashMan on September 03, 2008, 11:52:46 am
I can certanly give them untextured meshes of capships.

Hmm....
Title: Re: Want to get your Models in a full game?
Post by: c914 on September 03, 2008, 12:17:06 pm
Soo they want too see new things or just those that were made earlier?
Title: Re: Want to get your Models in a full game?
Post by: Krackers87 on September 03, 2008, 01:06:46 pm
I can certanly give them untextured meshes of capships.

Hmm....

They need textured vessels, that seems to be their main issue, untextured models are not nearly as valuable to them.

Soo they want too see new things or just those that were made earlier?
Either or, its up to you if you want to make something new thats great, if you have some older stuff, that's awesome to.
Title: Re: Want to get your Models in a full game?
Post by: TrashMan on September 03, 2008, 03:09:29 pm
Great, but methinks they should give some rough guidelines as to polycount and texture count (size can alwas be fixed).

It's a strategy, and most of those models look rather simple..
Title: Re: Want to get your Models in a full game?
Post by: Talon 1024 on September 03, 2008, 03:30:39 pm
Hmmm...  This is interesting

What about that old "Andrew Carnegie" model I made a while back that actually ended up being a cruiser from Privateer Online?

(http://www.ciinet.org/kevin/myimages/landreich/Carnegie-Details.png) (http://www.ciinet.org/kevin/myimages/landreich/Carnegie-Details.png)(http://www.ciinet.org/kevin/myimages/landreich/Carnegie-front.png) (http://www.ciinet.org/kevin/myimages/landreich/Carnegie-front.png)

This is what my design is based on:

(http://www.wcnews.com/newestshots/full/wco13.jpg) (http://www.wcnews.com/newestshots/full/wco13.jpg)

Sorry that my model has no textures, but I really suck when it comes to texturing. :mad:
Title: Re: Want to get your Models in a full game?
Post by: Krackers87 on September 03, 2008, 04:35:48 pm
Great, but methinks they should give some rough guidelines as to polycount and texture count (size can alwas be fixed).

It's a strategy, and most of those models look rather simple..

Ok i understand that, but its also still in development, including the graphics engine, so its not certain what system requirements/graphic detail/etc will be present in the final product. And yes the models look simple, because they lack graphics artists, so for the time being, higher detail is better, if you want to be thorough just make sure you have multiple LOD's, and make sure that polys aren't unnecessary.
Title: Re: Want to get your Models in a full game?
Post by: Krackers87 on September 03, 2008, 04:40:00 pm
Hmmm...  This is interesting

What about that old "Andrew Carnegie" model I made a while back that actually ended up being a cruiser from Privateer Online?

(http://www.ciinet.org/kevin/myimages/landreich/Carnegie-Details.png) (http://www.ciinet.org/kevin/myimages/landreich/Carnegie-Details.png)(http://www.ciinet.org/kevin/myimages/landreich/Carnegie-front.png) (http://www.ciinet.org/kevin/myimages/landreich/Carnegie-front.png)

This is what my design is based on:

(http://www.wcnews.com/newestshots/full/wco13.jpg) (http://www.wcnews.com/newestshots/full/wco13.jpg)

Sorry that my model has no textures, but I really suck when it comes to texturing. :mad:


As long as that doesn't break any ip's by being in privateer, as for texture id offer to try a shot at it, however you may want to find another person as my time is limited. The model is pretty decent tho. Think it needs more detail or hull work as its still a bit simple for what im aiming to try to send in.
Title: Re: Want to get your Models in a full game?
Post by: c914 on September 04, 2008, 02:26:38 am
Almost I forgot about sub models like turrets etc. Dose game support them or just get rid of them from models?
Title: Re: Want to get your Models in a full game?
Post by: Krackers87 on September 04, 2008, 03:46:12 pm
Almost I forgot about sub models like turrets etc. Dose game support them or just get rid of them from models?


Im not entirely sure on the turrets thing, I'll make sure to ask about it. They may be programming turrets in for as of now the game doesent really use them.
Title: Re: Want to get your Models in a full game?
Post by: pecenipicek on September 04, 2008, 04:01:17 pm
would they take a modeller to work for them maybe if he proved he was good enough?

my potential entries, if i manage to find the files for them again.
http://pecenipicek.deviantart.com/art/A-ship-for-a-certain-person-1-24616979
http://pecenipicek.deviantart.com/art/A-ship-for-a-certain-person-3-24617006

all ships in this scene
http://pecenipicek.deviantart.com/art/Fleet-maneuvers-angle1-23502520


and my longest-worked-on-model (3 years and its still not done :p )
http://vrga.deviantart.com/art/Firefly-drone-destroyer-80456435
Title: Re: Want to get your Models in a full game?
Post by: pecenipicek on September 22, 2008, 08:52:57 am
any news on this?
Title: Re: Want to get your Models in a full game?
Post by: BengalTiger on September 22, 2008, 09:21:15 am
As soon as I check the HTL Hussar, I'll let you know (it's not uploaded on our private forum yet).
Title: Re: Want to get your Models in a full game?
Post by: Warp Shadow on September 22, 2008, 10:07:55 pm
Let me finish the one I'm working on now and I'll send you 3.

I BETTER ****ING NOT SEE THIS RIPPED OFF THOUGH OR I WILL BE A VERY ANGRY PANDA
Title: Re: Want to get your Models in a full game?
Post by: Stormkeeper on September 22, 2008, 10:15:46 pm
.. Panda? Why a panda?
Title: Re: Want to get your Models in a full game?
Post by: Krackers87 on October 05, 2008, 12:36:24 am
Im still trying to talk with the developers, I haven't gotten a reply yet. Hopefully i'll know soon.
Title: Re: Want to get your Models in a full game?
Post by: Krackers87 on May 25, 2009, 04:32:19 am
I know this is an incredibly old bump, but its relevant, so no *****ing..

So final update on this particular venture, **** Beyond protocol and **** their company, i handed them the models on a silver platter free of charge, with the only request being that they credit original authors, yet they basically insisted on sticking to their ****y models that looks like a autistic child smashed his head on the keyboard in true space and pressed save. So whatever, and my apologies if i got anyone's hopes up but i cant shove free help down these peoples throats, they're pricks about most things really, even bug fixing they tend to have a "thats the way its supposed to be mentality" or ïf we cant recreate the bug, it doesn't exist" no matter the shots or videos i sent them to assist in those areas.

If i find a similar opportunity to get you guys some exposure i'll recontact those interested, but until then, this mission was a failed one.
Title: Re: Want to get your Models in a full game?
Post by: Spoon on May 25, 2009, 08:13:05 am
Ah yes, kinda reminds me of the attitude the kereberos devs have (sword of the stars)
Title: Re: Want to get your Models in a full game?
Post by: Krackers87 on May 25, 2009, 12:16:17 pm
Ah yes, kinda reminds me of the attitude the kereberos devs have (sword of the stars)

Ugh.. One of the most insulting parts is they constantly refer to any claims of the game being not fun, or certain aspects need working on as "The game is still new, it's going to take time to get it into a really fun state" which makes me think, if the game isnt finished or fun, why the **** are the devs charging money to play it? It's like they're saying, "keep paying us because one day you will enjoy it" hah...

anyways, im done ranting..
Title: Re: Want to get your Models in a full game?
Post by: Spoon on May 25, 2009, 12:18:33 pm
Hah, sounds like they are undeserving of your time mate.
Better to just turn your back on them and let em rot then to spend more wasted energy on them.