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Offline Luis Dias

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Everyone's suggesting captain Lorca is originally from the mirror universe. There's some problems with this line of thought because it's just too convenient plot-wise for this to be the case - the fact they got into the mirror universe cannot be blamed on Lorca without destroying the entire plot about the spores so far, and so the coincidence is just too much to bear - but I guess it makes sense tonally speaking.

I hope they don't make that move.

There are some very interesting questions going forward, like for instance, was MU Discovery also toying with the spores? What is dark Stamets' intentions? What did the emperor expect from Discovery?

 

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I'm rather wondering if the two Discovery's switched places.
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I'm rather wondering if the two Discovery's switched places.

I'm wondering if the Universe they started out in even is the universe we know from TOS/TNG or something entirely different. ;-)


Also that last scene ... I bet it's not just two of them in that place, if they go full multiverse ... this is gonna get interesting.

 

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Re: Star Trek Discovery -- This is the good ****
This is the good ****. Yes, the pilot episodes does have the seemingly unavoidable ten minutes of expospeak. But once we're past that (and once you get past the fact that this show avoids translation convention), this is probably the best Star Trek ever since the high days of TNG and DS9.

Given that you and I have a completely opposite opinion on movies/series so far, and from what I've seen of discovery so far looks like s****.... yeah, I have no high hopes.
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This is the good ****. Yes, the pilot episodes does have the seemingly unavoidable ten minutes of expospeak. But once we're past that (and once you get past the fact that this show avoids translation convention), this is probably the best Star Trek ever since the high days of TNG and DS9.

Given that you and I have a completely opposite opinion on movies/series so far, and from what I've seen of discovery so far looks like s****.... yeah, I have no high hopes.

Did you just drop in to **** on the thread, or did you have something constructive to add?  If the former, cut it out.  If the latter, anytime now would be good.
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Everyone's suggesting captain Lorca is originally from the mirror universe. There's some problems with this line of thought because it's just too convenient plot-wise for this to be the case - the fact they got into the mirror universe cannot be blamed on Lorca without destroying the entire plot about the spores so far, and so the coincidence is just too much to bear - but I guess it makes sense tonally speaking.

Ok, so they went there. Now they have to explain how on earth he pulled it off, because it just seems incredibly ridiculous plot-wise. There are so many moments that do not fit into this arc, that I'm having trouble fitting it together. OTOH, there are others who do now, like for instance him keeping the blaster near himself while he made love to Georgiou.

 

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I'm not entirely sure that the Lorca confirmation (we can't really call it a reveal, can we) destroys the entire spore plot.

And yeah, I'm not sure why they felt the need to make light sensitivity a mirror universe trait. Feels like one bridge too far to me, honestly.
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I finally got to sit down and binge the whole series so far...I caught the first two episodes when they came out, got a very "meh" feel from it.  After the RL stuff and the holiday season are over I finally got around to picking it up again and, I have to say I'm genuinely entertained.  I kinda like the overall storyline (the ongoing war that they're not always hip-deep in), and I honestly liked T'kuvma--I was sorry to see him killed off so early.  I thought the idea of a potential living Klingon messiah would've been interesting to explore...even if his ultimate fate was sealed.  (It almost seemed like they were setting him up to explore a "Klingon Warrior Religion.")

I'm not going to spoil anything here from the most recent few episodes, but I did not see the plot twists coming (though one of them was almost obvious in hindsight).

Couple of thoughts and comments on the series in general:

1)  The "overall look" of everything...it's certainly different than what should be there, and not all of it good or bad...I'm wondering why there are absolutely zero gold, red, and blue shirts so far...
2)  Technology seems more updated than fifty years ago, that's fine.  Technology evolves and our ideas of what it'll be like in two hundred years changes with that.
3)  Series overall does seem more action-oriented than almost any Trek we've seen before, with the exception of later DS9 and some chunks of ENT.  Possibly thats an effort to use exciting action to draw in a larger viewer base early?  Maybe they'll be trying to work out some more....cerebral stuff once this whole first season is wrapped?


But I do have one serious gripe that I just can't let go of:  Does EVERY damn piece of Starfleet's hardware TALK!?
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But I do have one serious gripe that I just can't let go of:  Does EVERY damn piece of Starfleet's hardware TALK!?

Yes and that is because the audience got more stupid over the years. Quite obvious now, right?  :lol:

 

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Captain Saru was awesome. For a moment, I saw Star Trek as I knew it, and it does give the whole first arc more tonal sense, this stuff with Lorca. They were all just in one really bad episode nightmare trip. At least I'm choosing to see it that way.

And I like how they set up stuff for the next episodes. I do wonder where is original Lorca though. Dead? I'm thinking no, he's too good an actor to be left out.

 

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Captain Saru was awesome. For a moment, I saw Star Trek as I knew it, and it does give the whole first arc more tonal sense, this stuff with Lorca. They were all just in one really bad episode nightmare trip. At least I'm choosing to see it that way.

And I like how they set up stuff for the next episodes. I do wonder where is original Lorca though. Dead? I'm thinking no, he's too good an actor to be left out.

I can see it already ......... Lorca dies tragically horribly senselessly and...  tada other universe Lorca appears.

 

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Good Lorca, as in a benign and peaceful Lorca will not be a good Lorca to watch though.

 

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Good Lorca, as in a benign and peaceful Lorca will not be a good Lorca to watch though.

Maybe we'll get lucky and good Lorca will sacrifize himself for bad Lorca then or something? /shrugs

 

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I got the feeling that mirror-Lorca wasn't all that different from normal-Lorca, given the interactions between him and his crew, and Starfleet's admirals.  Especially admiral whatshername.  Aside from keeping his ulterior motives to himself, I mean.

Besides, clearly normal-universe Lorca was captured by the Klingons months ago and has been kept in prison all this time.  Now, I'd swear I've seen that before somewhere...
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Did you just drop in to **** on the thread, or did you have something constructive to add?  If the former, cut it out.  If the latter, anytime now would be good.

No dissent allowed.

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You can say you don't like it, but you have to say why. In case you haven't noticed all my comments have been pretty negative. It is possible that the show improved after I stopped watching it around episode five but I ****ing hated the show before that. What I didn't do was a drive-by posting where I simply said it was bad. I said why it was bad and the exact problems I had with it. You didn't do that. If you're not capable of doing it, stay out of the thread.
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Did you just drop in to **** on the thread, or did you have something constructive to add?  If the former, cut it out.  If the latter, anytime now would be good.
No dissent allowed.

Dissent is fine (and welcome).  You didn't give dissent, you dropped a drive-by ****post that didn't contribute to the discussion.  If you'd like to continue doing that, we can give you the opportunity to take a little break and think about how you might better go about contributing to a discussion, from whatever angle you so choose.

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Back on the subject of the show:

-Making light sensitivity a mirror-universe trait was silly.
-Hooray, Captain Saru is awesome.
-Lorca had a bit of a personality change in the last episode, and it was a bit jarring at first.  Mirror-Lorca obviously picked up some positive qualities from his time in Prime, but the transition back to evil self happened a little too quickly to be believable without undermining some of his genuinely good moments earlier in the series.  I thought it could have been handled better.
-Sad to see Lorca go.
-WTF are they going to do with Emperor Georgiou.

I did enjoy the lines leading up to Mirror-Stamos' demise, though the fact that the same didn't happen immediately with the Emperor is a bit of a hole.  I'm also very curious to see where they go from here.

All in all, I'm enjoying a Star Trek show with a defined, continuous arc.  Other Sci-fi has done it really well in the past, and it adds to the ongoing sense of tension.  Bit of a refreshing change from the flavour of the week style of previous Treks, even if the execution has been a little spotty in places.
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-Lorca had a bit of a personality change in the last episode, and it was a bit jarring at first.  Mirror-Lorca obviously picked up some positive qualities from his time in Prime, but the transition back to evil self happened a little too quickly to be believable without undermining some of his genuinely good moments earlier in the series.  I thought it could have been handled better.
-Sad to see Lorca go.

It would have been infinitely more interesting if Lorca's plan had been to actually reform the Empire to a more Federation-like entity. Making him into a standard backstabby terran feels like a step back from the genuinely interesting character the show presented previously.

That said, I am pretty damn certain that that wasn't the last we saw of Jason Isaacs on this show.

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-WTF are they going to do with Emperor Georgiou.

Spoiler:
The 1x14 preview seems to hint that she's going to play some role in helping Starfleet defeat the klingons.

Not entirely sure why Starfleet thinks giving a genocidal fascist any sort of authority or listening to their advice is a good idea, but we'll see how it actually shakes out
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