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Title: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on May 01, 2021, 11:07:05 pm
Hello you wonderful people of HLP.

I'd like to thank each and every one of you from the bottom of my heart for having the passion for this wonderful piece of my childhood to keep this game alive for over 20 stonking years. I've been feeling old lately, and recently ordered a brand new flight stick so I could polish off my old FreeSpace 2 disc, reinstall some mods, and sit down for some nostalgia. I wouldn't be able to enjoy this product and its derivative works nearly as much were it not for the dedicated community you've all been.

I'd like to return the favor somehow and share my passion for FreeSpace however I can, so to christen the new flight stick, I'm dusting off the old YouTube channel me and my gaming chums used to maintain and streaming a full playthrough of FreeSpace, Silent Threat, Silent Threat: Reborn, and FreeSpace 2. I'm going to be starting tomorrow in 11 hours as of the posting of this thread, and I'd like to invite all you folks who made this experience and this renewed joy I feel possible with your mods and support of FreeSpace Open / Source Code Project. I hope I'm not breaking any norms here dropping a link, but I'd love to have any of you relive these games with me.

Hope to see you there, HLP community!

Ill Fated Gaming TV (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtFYPH0L6PcazuuF5Y88Vgw)



I'm going to try to organize what campaigns to tackle in what order after I finish FS2. I'm thinking we'll go back and deal with "unseen" perspectives of the canon before moving outside those realms in a somewhat chronological order. Suggestions on what campaigns to add to the list, and possibly what order in which to play them, are welcome here.


Mods that I'll tackle or consider after the main playthroughs. (more to come)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: starlord on May 02, 2021, 12:02:51 pm
Welcome, that looks great.

Be sure to also cover some community campaigns as well in your playthroughs. There’s lots of stuff that could use more exposure.

Best
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on May 02, 2021, 01:38:29 pm
Taking a lunch break for a few hours.

As for community campaigns, what I'd like to do is Ancient-Shivan War, Derelict, Blue Planet Complete, Vassago's Dirge, Trimurti, Transcend, and Shrouding the Light. I've yet to play any of them save for ASW, so it'll be blind plays.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: starlord on May 02, 2021, 02:04:09 pm
May I suggest others as well, like memories of the Great War, bta, scroll, uncharted territory, Pandora’s box. The list is extensive. Pick your pleasure.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on May 04, 2021, 04:44:20 pm
Due to the YouTube stream dropping my audio stream for some reason, I'll be restarting this series with other Ill Fated Gaming friends commenting as well this upcoming Sunday!

https://youtu.be/VKUf0ur6KMk
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on May 09, 2021, 11:00:59 pm
Thank you to everyone who tuned in yesterday or watched the archive. Hoping to get most of the way through the campaign this next Sunday, and I'm doing more reading up on user-created campaigns to add to the list.

Your interest and viewership is appreciated!  :)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on May 10, 2021, 04:17:28 pm
Glad to see this. :)  Highlighted.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on May 10, 2021, 07:17:03 pm
Hey Goober!  :)

I absolutely LOVE the FreeSpace Port and Silent Threat: Reborn. I cannot wait to show them off in full on the streams. You guys really keep my passion for this game alive with your work. I feel like an 11-year old playing this game with my old Microsoft Sidewinder again when I pull this game up.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on May 12, 2021, 04:33:08 pm
Thank you!  And we, in turn, are always delighted when streamers showcase our campaigns on their channels. :)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on May 15, 2021, 06:03:02 pm
I'll be streaming again tomorrow, and I've prepared a more formal shout-out to all the talents behind the mods I'm playing, as well as the community here as a whole. I figure getting more attention means it would be a good idea to point people towards where to buy the games, where to come if they're interested in the mods, and who to thank for these wonderful improvements and mods.

I'd like to be sure that I name the appropriate people without having it ramble on for too long, but for the FSPort I found that the main contributors listed on the page were Galactic Emperor, Goober5000, Yarn, and Admiral Nelson. I'd hate to feel like I didn't drop any appropriate names, and I'll do one of these again before each new mod, so if I've missed anyone for the FSPort or the MediaVPs, please let me know so I can revise my script before tomorrow's stream airs.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colonol Dekker on May 16, 2021, 02:25:48 pm
I've done nothing but my name is 👆🏻

😜

Hope you're enjoying it all mate.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on May 16, 2021, 03:31:11 pm
Thank you to everyone who showed up, especially the awesome HLP people who gave insight into the inner workings of the game and gave me some solid advice!

I hope you all had fun and hope you'll tune in next Sunday!

EDIT: Damn, I forgot to ask Mito what lighting settings he was recommending for my Knossos command line to make the ships look nicer. :(
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on May 17, 2021, 01:45:15 pm
Hi there, just let me quickly toss a couple graphic suggestions at you while I'm at it.

Firstly, the lighting setup - there's a Wiki page (https://wiki.hard-light.net/index.php/Sample_Lighting_Settings) and a visual comparison (https://imgur.com/gallery/MshrBKk) on it. There's also a summary (https://wiki.hard-light.net/index.php/Command-Line_Reference#Lighting) of the flags (although it's very technical). I personally use this:
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-ambient_factor 73 -spec_point 0.3 -spec_static 1.0 -spec_tube 0.4 -bloom_intensity 45It gives you the slightest hint of ambient light, but still deep and dark shadows on surfaces facing away from suns. The suns get a large contribution, while primary and beam fire... not so much. A bit of bloom makes most lights on ships "bleed out" a bit (and honestly this makes warp vortexes look fantastic). Also that makes every mission have its own flavour of a light environment. You can play around with most of these parameters in the F3 Lab.

Emissive lighting (IIRC, in recent builds it's opt-in in Knossos flags instead of opt-out) just gives you a basic, high level of ambient light. With it stuff looks kinda flat, in my opinion.

Maybe you would also be interested in disabling motion debris (the specks of space trash you can see flying by you) and screen shaking (the one you experience when you hit your afterburner or shoot Maxim). Both should be flags available in Knossos settings.


The stream was really fun and I just can't wait for the next one!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on May 17, 2021, 06:07:29 pm
Loved the stream as well. Caught up on the last hour via vod, and I'm also looking forward to this weekend's stream!  :yes:
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on May 17, 2021, 06:27:08 pm
Thank you guys for the support. I hope to attract a larger audience with each stream.

I tried out the settings Mito suggested and looked at ships in the F3 model viewer, and WOW! They look gorgeous! Thanks for the advice, that flat lighting was kind of bothering me, but then I remember retails FreeSpace 2 and even flat lighting with better models and textures are an improvement for me. I didn't realize just how much better it could look.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on May 22, 2021, 10:55:30 pm
I'll be streaming again in 11 hours. Hope to catch everyone there! :)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Jadehawk on May 24, 2021, 10:25:28 am
Good luck on this!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on May 25, 2021, 09:20:03 pm
I'm definitely a fan of the in-mission commentary.  It's pretty hilarious listening to your frustration with some of the original Silent Threat missions.

By the way, there are 17 wings of HOL ships in Secret Recovery.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on May 30, 2021, 12:11:48 am
I've been a busy bee this week, and have a bit of a rambly rant about Secret Recovery at the start of tomorrow's stream. Hopefully everyone enjoys my characteristic fuming.

Looking forward to seeing everyone at tomorrow's stream!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on May 30, 2021, 03:20:08 pm
Valid points in your Secret Recovery rant.  All I can say is that the mission is an exact port from FS1 to FS2.  The enemies, weapons, positions, events, etc. are all identical.  The differences are almost certainly due to code changes.  Unfortunately, since the AI code is notoriously difficult to work with, it's very difficult to pin down exactly what might have changed in the AI code between FS1 and the current version of FSO.  (If someone has some extra time and doesn't mind doing testing, it would be informative to see videos of a Secret Recovery playthrough using each major version of FSO.)

The last time I played Secret Recovery, I just focused on staying alive long enough for Epsilon 1 and 2 to both be lost, and then I destroyed the Giordano myself.  This is a valid victory condition, although not the ideal one.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on May 30, 2021, 08:23:44 pm
Another fun stream! Can't wait for next week's dive into Reborn. :)

On a side note, Fields of Destruction inspired me to make a funny...

(http://imgur.com/6Jehplz.png)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on May 30, 2021, 08:45:06 pm
:lol:

Meme thread!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 06, 2021, 12:52:21 am
Tomorrow is stream day, and I'm very excited. I worked out a proper strategy for how most effectively to clear mission 1 of ST: Reborn, but there's still an element of RNG as to whether my wingmen can be depended on to fulfill their tasks. It does rely on me issuing the right orders in the correct sequence and hoping that enemy fighters aren't too nasty, but my success rate with this strategy is roughly 70%.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on June 06, 2021, 10:05:21 pm
Hey! I got around to timestamping the streams. I'll list them below.
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FreeSpace [001]
3:37 - FreeSpace 1 Intro
7:23 - Training Missions
27:22 - Mission 1: Eve of Destruction
34:28 - Mission 2: The Field of Battle
42:04 - Mission 3: Small Deadly Space
49:22 - Mission 4: Avenging Angels
59:47 - Cutscene: Ancients 1
1:01:08 - Mission 5: Out of the Dark, Into the Night
1:27:15 - Mission 6: Paving the Way)
1:40:28 - Mission 7: Pandora's Box
1:47:24 - Cutscene: Lab Experiment
1:48:08 - Mission 8: The Hammer and the Anvil
2:17:36 - Mission 9: The Darkness and the Light
2:33:36 - Cutscene: Command Briefing
2:34:51 - Mission 10: First Strike
2:57:17 - Cutscene: Ancients 2
2:58:26 - Mission 11: The Aftermath
3:19:47 - Mission 12: The Big Bang
3:26:53 - Cutscene: Hall Fight
3:29:06 - Mission 13: La Routa della Fortuna

FreeSpace [002]
12:07 - Mission 14: Where Eagles Dare
23:30 - Mission 15: Tenderizer, 1st Run
48:12 - Mission 16: Shell Game, 1st Run
1:09:36 - Mission 15: Tenderizer, 2nd Run
1:25:17 - Mission 16: Shell Game, 2nd Run
1:41:57 - Mission 17: Enter the Dragon
1:57:31 - Mission 18: Playing Judas
2:25:53 - Cutscene: Ancients 3
2:26:38 - Mission 19: Evangelist
2:43:26 - Mission 20: Doomsday
2:54:49 - Cutscene: Ancients 4
2:55:48 - Mission 21: Exodus
3:26:22 - Mission 22: Last Hope
3:46:34 - Mission 23: A Failure to Communicate
4:10:51 - Mission 24: Reaching the Zenith
4:33:00 - Mission 25: Running the Gauntlet
4:47:24 - Cutscene: Ancients 5
4:48:13 - Mission 26: Black Omega

FreeSpace [003]
3:10 - Mission 27: Clash of the Titans
29:34 - Mission 28: The Great Hunt, 1st Run
47:48 - Mission 29: Good Luck, 1st Run
1:19:40 - Mission 28: The Great Hunt, 2nd Run
1:42:43 - Mission 29: Good Luck, 2nd Run
1:55:00 - FreeSpace 1 Outro + Credits
-----Silent Threat-----
2:07:50 - Mission 1: Silence All Voices
2:24:42 - Mission 2: The Pursuit
2:59:35 - Mission 3: Ghosts
3:09:04 - Mission 4: On the Run
3:30:59 - Mission 5: Hellfire
3:42:30 - Mission 6: Secret Recovery

Silent Threat [001]
10:30 - Mission 7: Cloak and Dagger
56:23 - Mission 8: Field of Destruction
1:33:18 - Mission 9: Exodus
2:01:08 - Mission 10: The Return to Ross 128
2:54:07 - Mission 11: The Wait
3:24:21 - Mission 12: Secrets Revealed
-----Silent Threat: Reborn-----
3:45:49 - Silent Threat: Reborn Intro
3:47:53 - Mission 1: Silence All Voices (Incomplete)

Silent Threat [002]
2:57 - Mission 1: Silence All Voices
12:10 - Mission 2: More Than Meets the Eye
24:19 - Mission 3: Ghosts
45:40 - Mission 4: Field of Destruction
57:42 - Mission 5: Cloak and Dagger
1:35:03 - Mission 6: He Who Rides the Tiger
2:05:25 - Mission 7: The Wait
2:41:54 - Mission 8: Hellfire
2:55:09 - Mission 9: The Return to Ross 128
3:04:22 - Mission 10: The Last Hurrah
3:32:22 - Mission 11: Betrayed (Incomplete)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 07, 2021, 12:47:07 am
I appreciate you taking the time on the timestamps, Colt. I've updated the VODs.  :)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 13, 2021, 01:27:49 am
Hope to see you all at tomorrow's stream! :yes:
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on June 13, 2021, 02:07:11 pm
Some timestamps for today's stream  :yes:

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0:00:00 - Pre-Stream Banter
0:08:12 - Mission #11: Betrayal
0:40:30 - Mission #12: Exodus
0:58:00 - Exodus: The Suffering
1:34:08 - Mission #13: Forced Hand
1:58:29 - BONK
2:00:30 - Departing now.
2:19:02   - Mission #14: Chasing Shadows (Incomplete)
2:59:08 - End Banter
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 16, 2021, 08:05:53 pm
So I'm trying to practice Chasing Shadows in Silent Threat: Reborn for this weekend's stream, and I have to say that it seems like a very unforgiving mission. So obviously, I'm trying to narrow down every little detail and find the best strategy to improve my chances of success, and I couldn't help but notice a detail at the very beginning of the mission which shapes the entire rest of the mission. Consider this my first real complaint about an otherwise outstanding campaign.

When you arrive, Vargi wing (the Zeus bombers) start at a RANDOM location from your ship. Their orientation relative to the PVD Hope, as well as their DISTANCE can be anywhere between 5 o'clock and 2 o'clock, putting them far outside the field of engagement but with an advantageous approach to the Hope, or directly behind the Vidar. Likewise, in the former, they are ~4500 meters out, while in the latter, they are ~2200 meters out. This introduces a ridiculous level of variance, and I only noticed this because upon IMMEDIATELY issuing an All Fighters, Engage Enemy command on one of my attempts, the entirety of Vargi wing was wiped out by Beta wing in literal seconds. I could not figure out why, until I noticed that during one of these "lucky" runs, Beta in Hercs would dump their entire missile payload upon Vargi and obliterate them before they could launch a single missile, giving the Hope a 5% HP advantage compared to other runs.

Personally, I like consistency in my missions, but I can accept some variance when you're not already juggling 50 balls in the air. Doing this on Medium (as with all of my playthroughs), and having to maintain the blockade, not get shredded by their fighter support, and wipe out incoming bombs and bomber wings to keep the Hope alive, WHILE also in a miserable pre-determined loadout on account of it being a Scramble mission... it's incredibly frustrating. I'm going to keep banging my head against this wall since I have a stream on Sunday and I'd like to give a decent performance. I've already sacrificed a few perfect missions in my plathroughs thus far trying not to keep the audience groaning through 20 attempts 2 hours later of a single mission, but this one is really chuffing me.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on June 16, 2021, 10:51:45 pm
Chasing Shadows is intentionally designed to make it very difficult to accomplish both objectives.  You only need to protect the Hope to progress in the campaign.

That being said, it's possible that FSO code changes in the past few years have negatively affected balance.  Chasing Shadows and Silent Threat's Secret Recovery are two of the most noticeable examples.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 17, 2021, 12:10:55 am
I definitely love me some challenge and difficulty, and I'm not against it being controller-throwingly difficult when I feel like I'm in control of my success or failure. I suppose the starting variance just highlights what's aggravating me. I don't feel like I'm ultimately in control of my performance, but rather at the mercy of RNG. As with most FreeSpace missions, you alone are not the one who will determine performance, as you're meant to rely on your wingmen. Given the AI is anything but refined, this introduces a large amount of variance already, and understanding the nuance behind the Comm menu seems key, yet is also difficult for me to decipher.

I would expect Protect Target on the Hope to make them prioritize Serkr missiles launched from the Medusas, but ultimately I end up having to target each one and tell my wings to destroy them, with not enough time for all 4 missiles before impact. Engage Enemy seems to get the most decent spread of fire to ensure that my wingmen are shooting down transports and freighters but not getting blasted by fighters, and as recommended by Mito during the stream about balancing between Engage Enemy and Protect Target, I would expect to just need to be good about micro-managing while also doing my best. Alas, at times I feel like I have to try to do everything on my own, I get overwhelmed, and I decide to take a break from practice for that day.

I don't know the exact details of what the difficulty level in FreeSpace adjusts, but I can't imagine that the jump from Easy to Medium should be so cruel. I'd like to show off a little bit, but also not subject my audience to burn-out from a single mission. :(

I don't know. Maybe I just need to git gud, but I definitely hate feeling like I don't have control in a game where the goals are expected to be achievable by the player.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 19, 2021, 09:21:17 pm
Tomorrow is stream day!

And despite my practice this week I have 0 confidence that my performance in Chasing Shadows will be glowing!  ;)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on June 19, 2021, 11:12:38 pm
I'm going to be missing out on the stream (Father's Day luncheon), but I'll catch up on the vod afterwards!

Good luck, pilot!  :)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 22, 2021, 09:33:33 am
EDIT: I've decided to move this list to the first post so that people don't have to keep searching for this post in the discussion!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: mjn.mixael on June 22, 2021, 10:23:48 am
That is an excellent list. Trimurti is wonderfully unique and creative. Vassago's Dirge is unleashed Axem, one of HLP's best modders.(On that note, JAD needs to be on your list eventually... all of them.) Blue Planet is also really good and has inspired a whole generation of new HLP content creators. The others on the list are classics of varying quality but all worth playing.

Aftermath Reboot and II are marathons of Freespace gameplay and the creator put an incredible amount of work into them. I may be biased on Between the Ashes, but I like to think it's pretty good. Players often remark on it's level of polish and how much they love to hate the villain. Blue Planet 2 is part of Blue Planet Complete. Solaris is a breath of fresh air in the FSO engine and well worth your time. Inferno ranges from old classics to new entries, some better than others... It's got a long history at HLP and the updates they've been doing are pretty great.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 22, 2021, 11:30:28 am
mjn! An absolute legend! I love your redone visual assets, including the awesome redone cinematics. I saw that you had a Capella Supernova remastered. Any chance you're planning to redo the intro cinematic for FreeSpace 2?

I've added to the list. Who knows, maybe someday I'll have showcased all of the currently available campaigns.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on June 22, 2021, 12:14:01 pm
Caught up with the vod! Timestamps below.

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0:00:00 - Pre-Stream Banter
0:05:09 - Mission #14: Chasing Shadows
0:55:42 - Mission #15: Secrets Reborn
1:42:50 - Mission #16: Blood of the Innocents
2:01:30 - Mission #17: Abandon Hope
2:16:37 - Mission #18: Last Stand
2:45:30 - Ending cutscene

-----Operation Templar-----
2:54:20 - Preparing for Operation Templar
2:55:57 - Mission #1: Bringing The Hammer Down
3:19:14 - Mission #2: Chasing the Threat
3:47:44 - Mission #3: Tightning the Noose
4:34:30 - Mission #4: Final Outpost
5:11:37 - Post-Stream Banter

For campaigns, a few not mentioned that I'd recommend are Shivans, which are 2 VAd campaigns (Phantoms is set at the very start of the Great War, Echo Gate is post-Lucifer), Eyebleach (literally pre-FS2), Walls Closing (FS2-era) and Procyon Insurgency (post-FS2). Exile's a great campaign set right after FS2, but I think it needs an older version of FSO to run properly.

Regarding input, Memories of the Great War is a very polished experience. Scrolls' has a very interesting setting and the writing is great, with even some humorous parts that aren't out of place for a Vasudan campaign. Uncharted is another polished campaign. Pandora's Box has received good reception from other members, but I haven't had a chance to give it a full playthrough.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on June 22, 2021, 12:27:21 pm
For gap-bridging or close-to-canon campaigns, here are my recommendations:


I would also suggest Awakenings and Destiny of Peace for FS1-era campaigns.  Awakenings has very high production values for a fan-made campaign of that era.

All the recommendations in this thread are good, although I should warn you that someone reported it takes 13 hours of gameplay just to cheat through Aftermath by insta-killing every ship.  So if you play those campaigns you may find yourself committed to them for a while.  For Inferno, I recommend both Classic and Nostos.  They're each good in their own way.

Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: General Battuta on June 22, 2021, 12:29:44 pm
Wait is Eyebleach a real campaign? I always assumed from the name it was some kind of parody meme thing.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 22, 2021, 12:48:35 pm
I realize it's not thanks to Mito's explanation during the stream, but it should probably get a proper name and icon at some point so as not to give people that impression.

I'm going to work on sorting out and ordering these, and installing all of these. If anyone wants to help me determine where in the numbered list I should drop some in the unnumbered list, I'd welcome your input.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: mjn.mixael on June 22, 2021, 12:58:50 pm
mjn! An absolute legend! I love your redone visual assets, including the awesome redone cinematics. I saw that you had a Capella Supernova remastered. Any chance you're planning to redo the intro cinematic for FreeSpace 2?

I've added to the list. Who knows, maybe someday I'll have showcased all of the currently available campaigns.

Thanks! I'm glad you liked them. The Supernova scene is one of my favorites that I've done. I learned so much over the last decade working on that project. I always wanted to go back and fix-up/re-render/enhance some of my earlier works with what I've learned, but I've moved on to other rendering projects and won't be working on those or the FS2 intro for the foreseeable future.

Based on your edited post above, I'll add that Between the Ashes takes place after Silent Threat and before FS2. The mod currently contains two short mini-campaigns and one main campaign. We're actively FREDing part 2. BtA also includes a version of Operation Templar rebalanced to work in BtA single player with a little extra polish here and there. OT versions are kind of a dime a dozen around HLP though, lol.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mongoose on June 22, 2021, 01:09:40 pm
Wait is Eyebleach a real campaign? I always assumed from the name it was some kind of parody meme thing.

It is! I believe the name came about after a certain...shall we say, infamous mod release occurred.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 22, 2021, 01:14:06 pm
And Knossos is (once again) throwing a tantrum because I dared to queue more than one mod up for install, so now it's doing that thing where it displays nothing under Home, and only a fraction of the mods under Explore. So I can't look at the descriptions to try to get more details on where to place these campaigns. I'm going to step away to handle some IRL errands, and hope that it eventually fixes itself, since the last time I tried to Force Quit Knossos, it caused me nothing but headaches.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on June 22, 2021, 01:33:00 pm
Destiny of Peace is seven months after FS1.
Awakenings is 3 years after FS1, not FS2.
Scroll is 11 years after FS2.
Inferno (both Classic and Nostos) is 33 years after FS2.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on June 22, 2021, 01:36:53 pm
To add to Eyebleach, its 4 missions long and pretty solid, leaning on the intense side.  It's also got a cool final battle between the GTD Aeneas and the NTD Jacobus.

(Like Exile, it suffers from a criminally short Knossos description page. They're both great campaigns!)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 22, 2021, 01:39:18 pm
Do we know roughly the amount of time between the end of FreeSpace and Silent Threat? It's roughly overlapping the end and slightly after the Great War, right? Thanks to everyone for the input. The list is coming along nicely in the first post!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: mjn.mixael on June 22, 2021, 01:42:04 pm
Do we know roughly the amount of time between the end of FreeSpace and Silent Threat? It's roughly overlapping the end and slightly after the Great War, right? Thanks to everyone for the input. The list is coming along nicely in the first post!

Silent Threat happens pretty much right away. Here's the timeline on the wiki. (https://wiki.hard-light.net/index.php/Timeline)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 22, 2021, 01:47:01 pm
Got Knossos working again. Will pore over these and work out the last tweaks to the list later. Anyone know if Unification War is worth looking at? Also, if I have Blue Planet Complete, no need for Blue Planet 2, I take it?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: mjn.mixael on June 22, 2021, 02:01:25 pm
Got Knossos working again. Will pore over these and work out the last tweaks to the list later. Anyone know if Unification War is worth looking at? Also, if I have Blue Planet Complete, no need for Blue Planet 2, I take it?

By Blue Planet 2 do you mean The Battle Captains? (I thought you meant War in Heaven as BP2.) I forgot they called that BP2. IIRC that's a fan mod of a fan mod. I've actually never played that one.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on June 22, 2021, 02:07:27 pm
(was editing my previous post, but I'll just make a new one  :p)

Timewise of the campaigns I mentioned:

Shivans: Phantoms takes place right after McCarthy is arrested, Echo Gate takes place at the same time as ST:R's Cloak and Dagger, and both campaigns actually give a nod to eachothers' fleet actions
Eyebleach: 72 hours before FS2
Walls Closing: During and after the 1st Sathanas fight, between Bearbating and Return to Babel
Procyon Insurgency: 18 months after FS2

Memories: Light of Antares and Hellgate Ikeya both take place immediately after the Taranis' capture and before the arrival of the Lucifer
Scrolls: Goober already listed this
Uncharted Territories: latter portion of the Nebular campaign in FS2, ends before Apocalypse.
Pandora's Box: shortly after the start of the NTF rebellion, or between 12-18 months before FS2
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 22, 2021, 04:17:51 pm
And my list is done. If anyone can think of anything else that's a must-play, polished, immersive, etc, let me know. I'm still curious if anyone knows anything about the Unification War mod.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: mjn.mixael on June 22, 2021, 04:53:14 pm
Eh, I don't really want to dig at the people who made a go at that mod. It began with great intentions, but it's one of the legacy HLP mods whose scope far exceeded the time and motivation of the creators. The project got sidetracked by other ideas along the way. To their credit, it did ultimately release something that's a notable part of HLP history, but the campaign itself isn't the best. There have been a number of attempts at fixing it up over the years and I think it's in a somewhat playable state now. It's not a mod I generally recommend people play unless they are like Spart_n and insist on playing HLP's entire library of content.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: spart_n on June 23, 2021, 12:54:31 am
no offense to the team behind UW but it was not even an okay experience, and i played the FSCRP version of it. would not recommend for streaming and entertainment purposes
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: starlord on June 23, 2021, 05:21:32 am
You can also try series resurrecta, a bunch of not so mini campaigns set just after the Great War.

And shrouding the light is a definite experience for those wishing to experience operations against the hammer of light.

While UW was polarising, I personally think it was a good effort. Also one of a rare kind to focus on that part of the FS mythos. I think the 158th squadron also released a small campaign that did this. I wonder if it was brought up to speck by the CRP? Also, BW’s frontlines mini campaigns occur just before Fs1
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 23, 2021, 09:45:13 am
It looks like someone made a general thread over on the old chans, where some of our videos, channels, mod names, and resources were posted. I figure we might as well support interest where it exists, so I'll drop a post there every now and then to keep interest and conversation going.

https://boards.4channel.org/vg/thread/340689954
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on June 23, 2021, 09:47:09 am
You can also try series resurrecta, a bunch of not so mini campaigns set just after the Great War.
Ah! How'd I forget to mention this?!

SR is a pair of high quality campaigns. Gehenna's Gate is my absolute favourite of the two, and is set in the days leading up to the Shivan defeat after the Lucifer's destruction. Spirit of Ptah is around a year later I think. I haven't played Frontlines in a long while, but I remember them being fun.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 23, 2021, 09:49:27 am
It looks like that thread took notes from this thread, possibly. So maybe it's one of us. :ninja:

It looks like my playthrough, and Colt's and mjn's channels got linked as well.

Should I add Series Resurecta and Frontlines 2334 to my list? Or any of the additions on that thread's list like Bem Cavalgar and Reunion?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on June 23, 2021, 02:15:03 pm
What's your scope?  Do you want to play all the mods, or even most of the mods?  Do you want a curated list of top recommendations?  Do you want to play a selection of campaigns from each era?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 23, 2021, 02:17:39 pm
I'm definitely looking for a curated list of the top mods. The high quality stuff to show off what the community's capable of producing. Currently I'm mostly doing stuff that follows the timeline and universe of FreeSpace, but I know there's projects that are set in different universes altogether.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 25, 2021, 09:29:43 am
I just noticed that Silent Threat: Reborn got an update, but I cannot for the life of me find a changelog anywhere. It would be really nice if Knossos supported some sort of changelog. :/
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on June 25, 2021, 09:53:52 am
It's a very small update.  I fixed a few briefing icon bugs, including the one in the last mission that showed an Orion instead of a planet.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 25, 2021, 10:12:40 am
Ooh, and here I thought that was intentional nod to the GTD Legion. To make me question (as I did) what it was doing there. :P
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on June 25, 2021, 10:39:44 am
Nah, the GTD Legion off in the distance was our intentional nod to the GTD Legion. :p
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: starlord on June 25, 2021, 03:39:16 pm
Just remembered that someone made lot a long time ago a very small minicampaign centered on the battle of Deneb and the loss of the legion. Trying to remember the name…

EDIT: got it: legion’s demise.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: DefCynodont119 on June 25, 2021, 07:37:57 pm
[insert "WHO SUMMONED ME!?" meme here]

https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=94256.msg1859882;topicseen#msg1859882

It's a bit outdated, made before Knossos became mainstream, so it would need some tinkering to work, and the writing's not that good. But it's still available.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 26, 2021, 07:37:40 am
All this expanded continuity talk and chatter about old passion projects is making me super energized for the next several streams. I cannot tell you guys just how hyped I am to be doing FreeSpace 2 tomorrow, and I'm getting really excited about playing some of your campaigns when I finish. I've only scratched the surface of some of them. To date, I've only played the first mission of Ancient-Shivan War, I've played Goober's Ross 128, and I've played through a bit of Vassago's Dirge. Cannot wait to take the full dive into all of them on stream.

Also, if you haven't already, I hope you guys will tell all your chums to tune into the stream. Hoping to share my passion for FS2 with way more and hopefully have a lot more chatter to engage with. In case it hasn't already become apparent, I can ramble for hours on end about things I'm passionate about. :D
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 27, 2021, 07:20:48 am
Woke up early. Couldn't sleep in. Too hyped. I'm going to try to organize the tumble-dryer full of tennis balls that is my mind right now so that all my excitable 11-year-old me nostalgia nuggets can be channeled into some sort of cohesive monologue.

Hope to see everyone at the stream.

EDIT: Minor urgent issue. I cannot get the FreeSpace 2 intro cutscene to play, through vanilla (without Knossos) or Retail in Knossos or upgrade. I'm reinstalling from CD, but does anyone know what might cause this issue? Launching the game jumps straight to pilot select, and trying to play from the Tech Room causes a brief cut to black before returning immediately to the Tech Room. It's almost as if it can't find the file.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on June 27, 2021, 08:06:53 am
Hey there, I just happened to come around before the stream and had a moment to post.

Firstly I just need to say that it's been a lot of fun to be around and laugh at your reactions, random stuff happening ingame and cringe a bit at the gameplay :P (nah that's fine, I'm just a person terminally glued to Insane difficulty)


As for the campaigns, I guess I can share a bit of experiences.

Generally speaking, mods rarely have functional voice acting in place. As for the gameplay, there is a quite noticeable trend in the old mods (that weren't upgraded much by now) that their gameplay is often seen as quite a bit tedious - not to offend the modders of old, but back then the idea of more content did consist in a significant part from more shooting, which was done by sending more enemy waves. I think it's a thing worth considering later on.

As for the list, a couple corrections. One, Solaris is a fully independent universe from Freespace. Basically the only thing it shares with Freespace is the engine. Which in no way detracts from the experience, of course.
Aftermath Reboot takes place 7 years after FS2... it even has a massive banner with that written lol
Aftermath Reboot 2 is known to have been... problematic with its balance. I think someone who has played both parts recently should stand up and comment on how both are feasible to play right now.

Also, your list mixes in a lot of different types of works. There are massive mods (Blue Planet, Aftermath Reboot, Ancient-Shivan War) that consist of similar amounts or more content than FS1 or FS2, and there's a bunch of minicampaigns (for example Walls Closing, or Eyebleach) that are only 4 missions long. And of course a bunch of things in between. But I guess the decisions will come up when you're progressively pushing through the content.

Another important part regarding mods is about copyright issues regarding their music. I'm not sure how that applies to streams, but I vaguely recall that for example, Vassago's Dirge music was at some point copyrighted which resulted in people needing to take down their gameplay videos, or something along the lines. Someone more competent in this regard would need to speak up but I'd like to mention this right now, to keep in mind for later.

As for different mods, remember that there are total conversions - which take place in a different universe than Freespace. Beyond the Red Line, Diaspora and Adversary are from Battlestar Galactica, there's Wing Commander Saga, The Babylon Project and something more that escapes me at the moment. There's also a custom universe of The Antagonist and Burning Heaven which both are quite interesting and even voice acted.

Also there are a couple mods that make significant changes to how you play the game as a whole. There's of course Trimurti because Shivans and gameplay more on instinct than anything else There's Bem Cavalgar, which I hear has a massive factor of resource management between missions and making tradeoffs. A couple other things you could try later on are SHUMPspace (a 2D scroll shooter) and Windmills (a strategy game inside Freespace). There are some mods that in some place give you control over a capital ship, too. Of course there's a bunch of other things you can try which I forgot or never known about. :P


Beyond that, HLP has a Discord server (https://discord.gg/QFdueKEYrN) which I would encourage you to take a peek at. There's a lot of activity in there, an actual announcement system for new mod updates, and I think you could count on some mod dev joining up to provide some developer commentary while at that.


Re: issue - try navigating to MediaVPs mod tile, extending the dropdown menu, hitting "Modify", marking all packages and letting Knossos download them. There's a couple of packages with cutscenes and I guess this could possibly help.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 27, 2021, 08:08:40 am
Reinstalling fixed the cutscene issue running from disc. I wonder if the "no CD patch" I used caused the problem, so I'm hesitant to use it again. That said, I don't want to pop in the disc every time I want to run it even through Knossos, which I think is what caused me to go the "no CD patch" route initially. Now I just have to get it to work through Knossos, Retail or MediaVPs... Do I need to have it reacquire the base VPs from my new install?

Anyone have a recommended no CD patch rather than one from some skeevy random site?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on June 27, 2021, 08:15:30 am
I don't think you need anything CD related after you install Freespace Open. FSO becomes its own separate thing when it's set up and it should function regardless of the state of retail FS2 or any disks.

Also upon inspection I found out I had the same issue and here's my fix: navigate to your retail FS2 installation/data2, copy Intro.mve from there, navigate to <your Knossos mod library>/FS2/MVPS-4.4.2/data/movies and paste it in there. The rest of the cutscenes were to my knowledge already remade by MjnMixael and are provided with the MediaVPs.

Edit: fixed MVPS version mentioned. But generally just copy that into the latest MVPS you have.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 27, 2021, 08:24:37 am
Thank you for your information, Mito! I'll try to bring some of it up during the stream. For reasons I'd rather not get into, I don't use Discord, but I appreciate the invitation. The additional voices you'll hear in streams sometime are on my TeamSpeak server.

I'll also try to figure out how I'm going to work around the copyright issues if they come up during the stream scheduling.

I cannot seem to find a data2 folder or Intro.mve anywhere. Am I going to need to rip that from one of my discs? Yep, found it on disc 2. I also got it working for "Retail FS2" through Knossos by copying it into Knossos/library/data/movies. Should that directory be empty? Do I have to rip all the movies from the disc and put them there if I wanted to play Retail FS2 with no mods?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on June 27, 2021, 08:32:19 am
If you want to have this cutscene in "Retail FS2" provided by Knossos, just copy the file into <mod library>/FS2/data/movies - create the movies directory if there isn't one.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: starlord on June 27, 2021, 09:33:58 am
Also, a campaign named Mantle is a must. Iirc the only campaign so far where you play from the perspective of a HOL pilot.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on June 27, 2021, 03:04:31 pm
'stahmps

Hidden Text: Show
0:00:00 - Pre-Stream Banter
0:06:57 - Original FreeSpace 2 CD set reveal
0:08:18 - Pre-Stream Banter (Cont.)
0:13:05 - Cutscene: FreeSpace 2 Intro
0:20:44 - 53rd Hammerheads introduction
0:26:18 - Mission #1: Surrender, Belisarius!
0:40:38 - Mission #2: The Place of Chariots
0:51:09 - Mission #3: The Romans Blunder
1:08:56 - 107th Ravens introduction
1:15:45 - Mission #4: A Lion at the Door
1:45:05 - Mission #5: Mystery of the Trinity
2:18:24 - Cutscene: Bosch Monologue 1
2:20:14 - Mission #6: The Great Hunt
2:32:10 - Mission #7: Slaying Ravana
2:41:57 - 242nd Suicide Kings introduction
2:47:26 - Mission #8: The Sixth Wonder
3:02:20 - Cutscene: GTVA Colossus
3:04:45 - Mission #9: Into the Maelstrom
3:23:03 - Mission #10: Feint! Parry! Riposti!
4:01:24 - Post-Stream Banter
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 27, 2021, 04:50:15 pm
I took the time to grab some screens of the great text bits from the Colossus movie for everyone's perusal.

https://imgur.com/a/wm7czJe
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Strygon on June 27, 2021, 05:00:30 pm
I remember the fun I had writing the blueprint text while progressively going crazier over several bottles of beer and the fact that Volition insisted on highlighting the Colossus' antenna in every blueprint.

Read them in order and you can see me slowly losing my mind trying to describe it.

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/519220662640836631/858829309305290752/unknown.png)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on June 27, 2021, 09:30:29 pm
Redmagejoe, have you played the FreeSpace 2 Demo?  It has two missions that were made by Volition but aren't part of the main campaign.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 28, 2021, 08:39:00 am
I have not, but if/when I decide to tackle the single missions of FreeSpace 1 / Silent Threat / FreeSpace 2 GOTY, I may do that. If I end up having the FreeSpace 2 series last stream run really short, I could maybe do some of that. I'm trying to find a good place to nestle those missions I really want to do in.

I may actually dedicate an entire session to these missions as well, as I've been contacted by the creator of Memories of the Great War about my timeline on it. I believe that he's refurbishing it and it would be ideal that it's ready by the time I do my playthrough. I'd like to work with him on that, so July 18th's session is tentative as to what it will be about.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on June 28, 2021, 01:46:53 pm
I think it is worth to mention that at this point in time Exile, as great of a play as it is, is being rewritten by Su-Tehp. I think it'd be nice to know of the timeline on this too, because if the end of the works is close by, maybe it'd be worth to wait a bit on that.

Also, to add to your list: Sol: A History is a great campaign that works as a prequel for Inferno. Takes place over the course of events starting from the last mission of FS1 and ending a bit after FS2, I think.


Edit: also, a couple resources I'd like to link to you. One, the Colossus cutscene text crowdsourcing (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=96788.0), two, the Colossus cutscene logos crowdsourcing (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=96792.0), three, HLP Wiki screenshot repository (https://wiki.hard-light.net/index.php/Screenshots). There's (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=97106.0) also (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=96958.0) a bunch of (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=96884.0) screenshot (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=96700.0) contest (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=96605.0) topics (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=96420.0).
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 28, 2021, 02:22:54 pm
I'll hold off on sticking Exile in the list then until I can potentially get a rough timeline from Su-Tehp. :)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on June 28, 2021, 07:53:05 pm
Hey there, I just happened to come around before the stream and had a moment to post.

Firstly I just need to say that it's been a lot of fun to be around and laugh at your reactions, random stuff happening ingame and cringe a bit at the gameplay :P (nah that's fine, I'm just a person terminally glued to Insane difficulty)


As for the campaigns, I guess I can share a bit of experiences.

Generally speaking, mods rarely have functional voice acting in place. As for the gameplay, there is a quite noticeable trend in the old mods (that weren't upgraded much by now) that their gameplay is often seen as quite a bit tedious - not to offend the modders of old, but back then the idea of more content did consist in a significant part from more shooting, which was done by sending more enemy waves. I think it's a thing worth considering later on.

As for the list, a couple corrections. One, Solaris is a fully independent universe from Freespace. Basically the only thing it shares with Freespace is the engine. Which in no way detracts from the experience, of course.
Aftermath Reboot takes place 7 years after FS2... it even has a massive banner with that written lol
Aftermath Reboot 2 is known to have been... problematic with its balance. I think someone who has played both parts recently should stand up and comment on how both are feasible to play right now.

Also, your list mixes in a lot of different types of works. There are massive mods (Blue Planet, Aftermath Reboot, Ancient-Shivan War) that consist of similar amounts or more content than FS1 or FS2, and there's a bunch of minicampaigns (for example Walls Closing, or Eyebleach) that are only 4 missions long. And of course a bunch of things in between. But I guess the decisions will come up when you're progressively pushing through the content.

Another important part regarding mods is about copyright issues regarding their music. I'm not sure how that applies to streams, but I vaguely recall that for example, Vassago's Dirge music was at some point copyrighted which resulted in people needing to take down their gameplay videos, or something along the lines. Someone more competent in this regard would need to speak up but I'd like to mention this right now, to keep in mind for later.

As for different mods, remember that there are total conversions - which take place in a different universe than Freespace. Beyond the Red Line, Diaspora and Adversary are from Battlestar Galactica, there's Wing Commander Saga, The Babylon Project and something more that escapes me at the moment. There's also a custom universe of The Antagonist and Burning Heaven which both are quite interesting and even voice acted.

Also there are a couple mods that make significant changes to how you play the game as a whole. There's of course Trimurti because Shivans and gameplay more on instinct than anything else There's Bem Cavalgar, which I hear has a massive factor of resource management between missions and making tradeoffs. A couple other things you could try later on are SHUMPspace (a 2D scroll shooter) and Windmills (a strategy game inside Freespace). There are some mods that in some place give you control over a capital ship, too. Of course there's a bunch of other things you can try which I forgot or never known about. :P


Beyond that, HLP has a Discord server (https://discord.gg/QFdueKEYrN) which I would encourage you to take a peek at. There's a lot of activity in there, an actual announcement system for new mod updates, and I think you could count on some mod dev joining up to provide some developer commentary while at that.


Re: issue - try navigating to MediaVPs mod tile, extending the dropdown menu, hitting "Modify", marking all packages and letting Knossos download them. There's a couple of packages with cutscenes and I guess this could possibly help.

Initially, The Blue Guardian (aka Aftermath 2) was a lot more difficult.  However, the most recent update Herkie made to it reduced the difficulty noticeably.  It's still a bit harder than Aftermath:  Reboot, but more manageable now.  I've played both and would say they're playable now.


As for a couple minor details (to you and redmagejoe):

Aftermath:  Reboot begins in 2370, three years after Capella/FS2.  I haven't seen any banners that say seven years whereas most of the ones I've seen say three.  That's how Herkie intended it anyways.

Aftermath 2:  The Blue Guardian starts about six months after the end of Aftermath:  Reboot.  In terms of the overall timeline (in reference to FS2), it takes place in 2372 which would be about five years after FS2.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 29, 2021, 08:00:14 am
I've made more additions and, based on CT's input, decided to rearrange and sneak Aftermath earlier into the list.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on June 29, 2021, 11:51:20 am
@CT27: Oh, I might have misremembered the timeline then.

Also for a general warning, I'd like to suggest that Aftermath Reboot should be taken... with a bunch of salt. At least the early parts. Also the later parts have some really satisfying missions, even if not very fancy, mechanically or storytelling wise.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on June 30, 2021, 03:33:00 pm
I'm excited to announce that the first video in the playlist has crossed YouTube's 301 view threshold for being eligible for the algorithm! :D

Thank you all for your continued viewership and support. Please tell any friends who might enjoy the game or streamers in general to give the series a look so that our passion for this game can reach an even broader audience.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on July 02, 2021, 01:50:02 pm
This is really nice. Keep going! :D

As for other things that Might be interesting for you, you could also consider using the Jaded's FS2 mod thingy. I don't think it needs restarting the campaign, too, but I'm not sure. What it introduces is most importantly the HUD icon script (thread with a couple screens and a video (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=97207.0)) and the screencam script (lets you pause the game and roam your camera around freely for the best screenshot experience). There's also a set of radar icons for your standard radar, but I don't really know much about how it is executed differently from my own attempt some time back.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 04, 2021, 01:24:53 am
Joshua Richards on YouTube was kind enough to comment letting me know that he'd spoken directly to Goober5000 about Secret Recovery in Silent Threat, and perhaps there is some investigation or playtesting to see what the hubbub is. Hoping it's something relatively simple. I decided to give the mission a try again today on Medium, and sure enough, it's brutal. For science, I'm now going to give it a try on Easy before getting some sleep prior to tomorrow's stream.

On that note, I hope you're all looking forward to the SOC Loop. :P

EDIT: Nope, just as stupid on Easy, except I can actually make it through about 3 waves before I get overwhelmed and Epsilon 1 gets wiped out despite seemingly having all fire focused on me. It's weird, too, because I thought it was going pretty well up to that point. Maybe 2.5 minutes before things went to ****.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on July 04, 2021, 06:20:47 am
In the meanwhile, I have quickly put together a couple table hacks for you. You should put these files into <mod library>/FS2/data/tables (create directory if needed). This should apply the changes to every mod you play regardless of the version of MVPS you use.

The Ai_profiles.tbl file has a flag that fixes the issue with shields randomly being penetrated, and the Game_settings.tbl file has an extra from me, in this file I scaled down the pain flashes a little bit (found them to be a little obstructive) and enabled the shield pain flashes at a similar intensity. That means that when you are hit against your shields, your screen will flash blue in Terran and yellow in Vasudan fighters.

With the couple improvements here and the bunch of things I tossed at you earlier in this topic, I hope I gave you a bunch of resources to improve the quality of your streams.

Just in case, test these out before the stream and remember that the forum attachments disappear after a couple days.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 04, 2021, 07:55:36 pm
I cannot for the life of me find any way to force Knossos to download new builds of FSO. Even if I go and get the nightly build myself and manually create the directory structure (which is probably named wrong anyway), it will not recognize that the build exists. FSOInstaller is out of date as well.

Is there no streamlined way to update FSO builds?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: TopAce on July 04, 2021, 08:22:22 pm
Normally, you wouldn't want to have the latest Nightly through Knossos. Every mod has its own tried-and-true version it was tested on. It comes down the mod's download.

If you want the latest Nightly anyway, just run it through wxLauncher. This method works really well, trust me, that's how I FRED for Fate of the Galaxy.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 04, 2021, 08:33:29 pm
Ah, I was mostly trying to take advantage of control5 (or whatever it was called Mito was talking about on-stream), but I'd rather not tamper with my setup if 21.3 will eventually hit stable anyway. I'm just really eager for the global configurations, but I'll try to sit on my hands for now.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colonol Dekker on July 05, 2021, 01:08:49 am
Can you download the latest nightly, rename it to match the file in knossos, then copy /paste thr nightly over it?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 05, 2021, 01:11:26 am
I did that at first, but it felt very "hacky", so I've decided to just sit on my hands for now and exercise patience. A daunting task for me, to be sure. :)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on July 05, 2021, 10:19:01 am
Stumps. Also I watched that part with the Tiamat in slow-mo. Your support ship drifted right into your line of fire and sat there getting pummeled by Tempests lol

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0:00:00 - Pre-Stream Banter
0:04:19 - SOC Mission #1: Rebels & Renegades
0:23:06 - SOC Mission #2: Love the Treason...
0:43:33 - SOC Mission #3: ...But Hate the Traitor
0:52:27 - Mission #1: Battle of the Wilderness
1:19:10 - Mission #2: A Game of TAG
1:34:56 - Mission #3: Proving Grounds
1:56:35 - ALL UNITS, TERMINATE THE TRAITOR!
2:14:00 - Cutscene: Bosch Monologue 2
2:15:40 - Mission #4: The King's Gambit
2:34:32 - Mission #5: The Sicilian Defense
2:44:29 - Mission #6: Endgame
2:53:20 - Avoid the beam and you won't get hit, pilot!
2:59:41 - Mission #7: The Fog of War
3:16:14 - Cutscene: Bosch Monologue 3
3:17:47 - Mission #8: A Monster in the Mist
3:33:54 - Mission #9: Speaking in Tongues
3:53:03 - Mission #10: A Flaming Sword
4:06:46 - Post-Stream Banter

Regarding nightlies. Make sure you have "Show Engines Builds in Mod List" ticked on in Settings>Knossos, and make sure you're checking for the new builds in the FSO mod via the Explore tab.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on July 05, 2021, 01:57:53 pm
Joshua Richards on YouTube was kind enough to comment letting me know that he'd spoken directly to Goober5000 about Secret Recovery in Silent Threat, and perhaps there is some investigation or playtesting to see what the hubbub is. Hoping it's something relatively simple. I decided to give the mission a try again today on Medium, and sure enough, it's brutal. For science, I'm now going to give it a try on Easy before getting some sleep prior to tomorrow's stream.

Colt and I did a bunch of testing on Secret Recovery, and I even fired up FS1+ST to try the original version.  We didn't find a smoking gun (although Colt did find an unrelated mission bug that only affected FS2 retail).  But one significant finding was that the original FS1+ST mission was almost as bad.  It was really difficult to complete the mission, and I kept either getting killed or losing Epsilon 1.

I did notice that the enemy target selection was fairer in FS1+ST, because the Thoths weren't always ganging up on me.  But I don't know what parts of the AI code could have affected that.

(It's also worth noting that, because of the improvements to missile tracking in the FS2 engine, the mission would be harder even if the AI were identical.)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on July 05, 2021, 02:05:28 pm
I should've explained this earlier but to be frank, I didn't expect you to rush into this immediately. So, that's how you do it:

Enter Knossos settings (gear icon in the topright corner), and in 'Knossos' section, change "Preferred engine stability" to Nightlies and mark the "Show engine builds in mod list" checkbox, hit Save, and go to Explore tab. Locate the FSO mod, and hit Update. (If you for some reason want to grab a specific, not the latest build, you only need to enter the "Details" page, change the version in the top left corner, and then hit Install. You could technically install every single previous build that way. But for you, just the latest should suffice, I think.) Once the downloading proccess is done, if you navigate to any mod's FSO Settings, you should have a new build to choose. You might need to carry over the settings, though (although there's a handy "Global flags" section in Knossos settings, with just as handy of a "Apply to all" button.

Although for the insight on how to use the improvements, I'd rather have someone from the FSO dev tam hop in with a quick explanation.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 05, 2021, 04:25:39 pm
Thanks guys! I didn't even know what that checkbox was about when I first set up Knossos. Running on the latest nightly now (and not necessarily going to update every night because I know how YMMV that can be in development when you need a stable platform). I too will wait with bated breath before touching things to see if someone more knowledgeable about the global control configs drops by.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mongoose on July 05, 2021, 07:01:39 pm
Colt and I did a bunch of testing on Secret Recovery, and I even fired up FS1+ST to try the original version.  We didn't find a smoking gun (although Colt did find an unrelated mission bug that only affected FS2 retail).  But one significant finding was that the original FS1+ST mission was almost as bad.  It was really difficult to complete the mission, and I kept either getting killed or losing Epsilon 1.

I did notice that the enemy target selection was fairer in FS1+ST, because the Thoths weren't always ganging up on me.  But I don't know what parts of the AI code could have affected that.

(It's also worth noting that, because of the improvements to missile tracking in the FS2 engine, the mission would be harder even if the AI were identical.)
When I last played through the Port a couple of years ago, I made myself suffer through the original ST, and I found a few of the missions to be substantially easier compared to retail FS1, with Secret Recovery being one of them. I wound up swapping to a Zeus, and I was surprised at how easy it was to deal with the Thoths on Medium. It could have just been the missile tracking helping my wingmen be more effective.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on July 05, 2021, 07:33:17 pm
Would you consider two more campaign suggestions to do at some point?

Fall Of Epsilon Pegasi (during FS2)
Warzone (four years after FS2)

Both of those are generally well liked around here I believe.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 05, 2021, 10:03:53 pm
I've added Warzone and Fall of Epsilon Pegasi to the maybe list. More info on them from other members would be helpful. Also, if someone wants to look over the current list and see if I've missed any high quality must plays, let me know.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on July 05, 2021, 11:07:18 pm
I've added Warzone and Fall of Epsilon Pegasi to the maybe list. More info on them from other members would be helpful. Also, if someone wants to look over the current list and see if I've missed any high quality must plays, let me know.
Both of these are good campaigns.

JtEP is set during FS2, right before the Colossus is deployed at Enif Station. It features a mix of VA and TTS, but more of the former iirc. It's around 10 missions long.

Warzone is a fully VA'd campaign that takes place 4 years after FS2 and is set in the same continuity as Derelict (though oddly the events of Warzone aren't mentioned in Derelict). I haven't checked, but I've heard Warzone is bugged and awaiting a checkup. It's got a length of 19 missions.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 06, 2021, 12:49:59 am
I may have slipped up on my timelining based on events "during" FreeSpace or FreeSpace 2, so if anyone sees anything out of place or overlapping in a weird way, let me know. I'd like to have things during the game timelines sort of flow logically. Of course I guess we could also just do it Monogatari style and throw chronology out the window. :p
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 09, 2021, 11:05:08 am
Also curious: Is there any reason to keep older versions of mods lying around in my install library of Knossos? Do mods rely on specific versions as dependencies or simply check for the latest version? I'd like to clean up some of the excess if possible.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: TopAce on July 09, 2021, 07:43:20 pm
Dependencies are set by the mod's uploader. I can be either a specific version (which must be on Knossos as well in order to set the option properly) or simply require the latest. From my experience, it's mostly the former. They're usually main release builds (21.2.0 official for example). Ideally, the uploader/"caretaker" of the old mod is aware there can be errors simply by selecting the best and brightest build for and old campaign, and made sure the mod and its dependencies are compatible. If not, then you're likely to run into problems. Some may be odd behavior, but showstoppers as well.

As far as MediaVPs go, they're the same thing. Except in this case, having many different MediaVPs versions around for the lots and lots of mods you have will eat up more of your HD space than you may prefer.   
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on July 10, 2021, 03:54:16 pm
Advisory, advisory: there is a bug in recent nightlies that makes locking onto Sathanas' upper main beam cannons with missiles impossible. From what I've gathered, this should get fixed in today's nightly so I think you should update once again before the stream, or just do Bearbaiting and the following mission with the use of 21.2 stable.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 10, 2021, 04:54:52 pm
I'll keep an eye on this. Could you keep me posted after the nightly drops if the issue has been resolved? If I don't hear feedback before tomorrow, I'll probably just run off of 21.2.0
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on July 11, 2021, 08:41:58 am
Looks like the nightly build with the fix has just been committed, it should be available in Knossos in a moment. Not sure if I'll have the time for a quick test before the stream.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on July 11, 2021, 09:39:20 am
The nightly is available now and a quick test suggests all is fine now.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on July 12, 2021, 02:58:47 pm
Timestamps! Also a bit of a warning, but I just noticed that I goofed with last weeks' timestamps. I listed missions 11-20 as 1-10.  :nervous:

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0:02:00 - Pre-Stream Banter
0:07:24 - Mission #21: Bearbaiting
0:08:57 - BEAM
0:48:06 - Mission #22: High Noon
0:57:45 - Cutscene: Bosch Monologue 4
0:59:30 - Mission #23: Return to Babel
1:20:40 - Mission #24: Straight, No Chaser
1:28:19 - OH LAWD SHE COMIN'
1:30:45 - Mission #25: Argonautica
1:50:46 - SOC Mission #4: As Lightning Fall
2:18:56 - SOC Mission #5: Into the Lion's Den
2:24:05 - Snipes says the line!
2:48:51 - Mission #26: Exodus
3:33:01 - Mission #27: Dunkerque
3:52:09 - Mission #28: Their Finest Hour
4:11:48 - Mission #29: Clash of the Titans II
4:28:14 - Cutscene: Bastion Dies
4:29:17 - Mission #30: Apocalypse
4:43:52 - Cutscene: Endgame
4:46:17 - Cutscene: FreeSpace 2 Ending (Alpha 1 stays behind)
4:47:35 - Post-Stream Banter
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 12, 2021, 07:21:32 pm
Thanks again, Colt! I went ahead and changed those. Don't feel bad about it, I waited way too long to put the timestamps on the previous stream and didn't notice until I was touching up the one we just did, and then i went and confused myself on the YouTube Studio interface and put them on the wrong video like, 3 times.

Also, while playing through FreeSpace 2 to brush up on my play before next week, I decided to push myself to the limit and try to earn some medals, but also to do some investigation into behind the scenes behavior. So without further ado...

FUN FACTS:


Also, I recorded a thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHRvPraRTYQ
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: spart_n on July 13, 2021, 02:59:22 pm
Another addition to the recommended mods (Mind you, didnt finish myself): Frontlines! Takes place before the events of Freespace 1, so during the Terran-Vasudan War. My experience was a difficulty hellscape but that's due to the limitations of the era it's based on.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 13, 2021, 04:07:05 pm
Added. I think I've got my timeline more or less right. Does anyone have anything to say about The Great War: Vasudan Imperium? Also, I could use some "yays" or "nays" on Bem Cavalgar, SHMUPspace, and Windmills in terms of quality/enjoyability. I understand they're fundamentally different experiences, and I'd like to show off people's passion projects, but I'd also like to be sure it's something not only I would enjoy, but that people would enjoy watching.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Strygon on July 13, 2021, 04:10:18 pm
SHMUPspace is quite tricky but if you have any degree of experience with sidescrolling shooters you should be fine. Windmills seems more like both a tech demo and psychological not-quite-horror-but-it-gets-you-thinking kind of thing, which makes it a bit of a wildcard on whether it'll actually be good streaming material or not.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: spart_n on July 13, 2021, 04:37:11 pm
SHMUPspace would be pretty neat to show off, if just to say 'i cant believe ths is FSO!' - Yay
windmills is far too short and far too disconnected for good stream material - Nay
i havent played bem cavalgar but ive heard decent takes on it
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 13, 2021, 04:41:45 pm
Updated first post. Mito suggested those three, so I'm curious how he feels about the streamability. I'm sure Windmills is something I should play just for the experience off-stream, so maybe I'll do that at some point if it doesn't turn out to be stream-worthy.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on July 13, 2021, 05:21:36 pm
Out of these three, Windmills is actually the only one I've played in any capacity, but that was a really long time ago, so very blurry memories. Generally, it's what happens when someone wishes to make a real time strategy game in Freespace engine and universe, mostly using the communications menu to interact. Might be pretty boring for a stream, but I think you could at some point make one stream about how people bent FSO as far as crossing the genre borders, starring Windmills, too. But I think you should give it a play before that happens, maybe you'll find something fun in it that I didn't, or that I just forgot about over that time.

While I didn't play SHUMPspace, from what I've seen about it, it might be decent stream material, given its shoot-em-up nature. I think it's also pretty short, so it might be a part of some combo stream?

As for Bem Cavalgar, from what I know about it, it's one of these deadly serious campaigns that actually give you a capacity to make imporant choices, with a bunch of moral grayscale. For example, you can either go and secure resources to replenish your dwindling weapons accessibility, or save a civilian convoy fleeing from a fleet of murderous Shivans. Which one do you choose?

If it reads like I've got nothing specific on these, that's because I don't. My interactions were either non-existant or too far back to recall. So I'm looking forward to seeing these in your streams at some point too.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 13, 2021, 07:18:11 pm
I read some 2017 complaints about Bem Cavalgar, and see the last update on it was 2018. I'll try playing it a bit off-stream to see if this issues still exist, as I wouldn't want to feature a tedious campaign with high TTK on stream and put people to sleep. I will also test Windmills off-stream, and I've added SHMUPSpace to the list.

EDIT: Off to a good start. Last update on Windmills was almost 3 years ago, so...

(https://i.imgur.com/U52alt1.png)

Aaaaaaaaand crash. Couldn't load GTF Myrmidon. I guess we're NOT playing Windmills. That should probably be removed from Knossos pending a fix/cleanup. Does anyone have any info on what about Warzone is bugged, or would it be fine to add to the list?

Unrelated question: By choosing to pick up the remixed music for the FSPort, does it replace all the classic enhanced music in missions, or does one have to choose a setting somewhere... Or are they intermingled and used at different times within the same campaign? I usually untick remix in mod installs, but I chose to modify the FSPort MediaVP to download the remixes, then noticed that Fortress played in Eve of Destruction when the Vasudans jumped in, rather than the remix I've listened to on YouTube. Not complaining, just curious specifically how the remixed music is used, if it's on a mod-by-mod basis or somesuch.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Admiral Nelson on July 14, 2021, 07:48:59 am
Hi there, I authored both the Windmills and Warzone fixes.  I can see that the errors with Windmills seem to be coming not from Windmills itself but from sound tables in the old version of the MediaVPs the Knossos version is associated with.  At some point SCP became stricter in compliing tables, so Windmills will probably work with an older SCP build.  Although I made the last release of Windmills, I didn't upload it to Knossos, so I don't have access to it there to review in detail.

I do have a fixed version of Warzone that has a few bits of feedback I haven't had time to finish.  If you would like to play that one I can give you access to that dev version.  The feedback I have left on it is really small and shouldn't impact the gameplay much.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 14, 2021, 10:15:07 am
Hey there, Admiral Nelson! Love your work on Silent Threat: Reborn. :)

I'd love to add Warzone to my list, so whatever build is available for play. Though given when Warzone happens on the timeline, I probably won't get to it specifically for a few months at least, so whatever finishing touches are needed for a stable release will probably be done by the time I pick it up.

Also, Su-Tehp responded to my reaching out and says he was just thinking of picking up development on Exile again after finishing with another project that had his time and attention. Based on the given timeline and his ETA, I can probably be playing the rewritten version of Exile by the time it comes around in the stream schedule sometime early next year.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Admiral Nelson on July 14, 2021, 10:28:30 am
OK, I'll take the time to fix the few issues left with Warzone properly.

Meanwhile, ngld kindly gave me access to the Knossos version of Windmills.  I have fixed the issue you noticed, so feel free to give it a try.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 14, 2021, 07:17:58 pm
So I spent about an hour on Windmills, and... yeah... It's certainly interesting. Avant garde in a way. But I don't think it would make very good stream material. Incredibly quiet, hauntingly so, and it could become tedious.

I definitely admire the experimental approach, I just think it's something a player would enjoy, but not an audience. I'll play through it at least.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on July 14, 2021, 11:47:07 pm
Does anyone have anything to say about The Great War: Vasudan Imperium?

It's FS1 from the Vasudan perspective.  It's pretty good, but only the first third of the campaign is complete.


Unrelated question: By choosing to pick up the remixed music for the FSPort, does it replace all the classic enhanced music in missions, or does one have to choose a setting somewhere... Or are they intermingled and used at different times within the same campaign? I usually untick remix in mod installs, but I chose to modify the FSPort MediaVP to download the remixes, then noticed that Fortress played in Eve of Destruction when the Vasudans jumped in, rather than the remix I've listened to on YouTube. Not complaining, just curious specifically how the remixed music is used, if it's on a mod-by-mod basis or somesuch.

If you download the remix pack AND the enhanced music pack, they will conflict with one another and you might get inconsistent results.  Pick one or the other.  (The new version of Knossos under development will have a "pick only one option" feature.)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 15, 2021, 04:01:38 am
Bummer. I kind of wanted to have the enhanced music for FreeSpace Port and maybe give Silent Threat: Reborn and other fan campaigns that use FreeSpace music the remix treatment. Ah well, I'll just uninstall the remixes then.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on July 20, 2021, 12:24:36 pm
Incoming jump signature! Designation timestamps!
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**********FreeSpace 2 Demo**********
0:00:00 - Pre-Stream Banter
0:03:26 - Mission #1: Crimson Sky
0:15:32 - Mission #2: Crisis in Capella
**********FreeSpace 2 Single Missions**********
0:54:36 - Mission #1: Calm before the Storm
1:27:55 - Mission #2: Excellence Under Fire
1:46:06 - Mission #3: Greyface
1:56:28 - Mission #4: Nekhbet (Neyck-bet)
2:17:28 - Mission #5: One Step Too Far
2:32:36 - IT MOVES
2:57:43 - Mission #6: Rites of Passage
3:08:44 - Plot Device
3:22:30 - Mission #7: The Queen (Incomplete)
3:33:04 - Command Cracks
3:39:33 - Post-Stream Banter
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on July 21, 2021, 01:17:12 am
By the way, the briefing icon showing a Fenris instead of a planet is a bug in FSO.  This is also what caused the briefing in the last mission of ST:R to display an extra Orion instead of a planet.  A fix is in the works.

That's one unexpected side effect of these streams -- discovering new bugs in FSO that need fixing. :P
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 21, 2021, 03:59:54 am
Glad I could help then. :P

I decided to practice that mission I left off on today, and upon pulling up Knossos, I noticed that Inferno Nostos and The Scroll of Atankharzim both got updates. :o
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 22, 2021, 03:52:11 pm
In practice news, "The Queen" is a ***** of a mission, even if you're an RTS god. I worked out the perfect dozens of commands in the first few minutes to have cruisers picked off while I take out that under-engine beam turret on the destroyer that rips the corvette apart, and can take out the beam turrets on the Sobek and take it down before the Knight even reaches 90%. Yet no matter what I try, by the time the Sobek goes down and the destroyer is just limping along, the crossfire and enemy fighters are suddenly dialed up to eleven so that within 20 seconds all my wingmen are obliterated, leaving me as the only slow, defenseless target to get pummeled from 95% down to 0. So essentially, I can destroy all of the capital ships, but surviving is another issue.

I cheated and got through to the end to read debriefing, and it mentions that the Sobek was not a priority in recommendations, even though they still gave me a pat on the back. So my next strategy is to try taking out the destroyer before the Sobek, since it drops pretty quickly once all focus is on it, and that's where all the enemy fighters come from. I've been neutering the destroyer by taking out its Weapons subsystem after the beam turret, so it becomes a sitting duck. It may be that the issue is that so long as it exists, the fighter wings pose the biggest threat. I will give that a try and see if the Knight can just tank the Sobek's yellow beams for another minute.

UPDATE: Okay, a bit more micro-managing of wingmen made this more feasible, as well as putting Beta in some Herc IIs. Calling in reinforcements as soon as you get them is still a must, as I believe what's happening is the Sobek's flak begins to tear up fighters since by that time in the mission, it's right on top of the Knight and we're forced to fight in the middle of a flak field regardless which of the two remaining ships we choose to go for. I got all objectives completed though, and then at the end the Knight took "severe damage" from a stray bomber. What a headache of a mission this is. Hopefully we can get it in one go on stream this Sunday.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colonol Dekker on July 23, 2021, 01:03:05 pm
If maxims are available...

Maxims eat subsystems at long range.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 23, 2021, 01:05:17 pm
Maxims are precisely what I'm using for the bombers, myself included. Taking out cruisers and subsystems at a range isn't an issue, it's the limited window in which to take out a dozen subsystems across a destroyer and a corvette while also not getting eaten by 5 wings of fighters.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on July 24, 2021, 05:08:58 am
So, a suggestion. How about you tried these (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=97207.0) out? See the video further down the topic for reference (although: spoilers).
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 24, 2021, 01:56:54 pm
I have looked at those in the past, and while there's a very strong desire to use them for the sake of improving situational awareness, there's a conflict within me between immersion (having limited visibility in the nebula, that feeling of not knowing what you're dealing with until you're staring right at it, etc) and making it easier for my ADHD-addled mind to have as many aids as possible in the heat of battle. It's both a blessing in game environments like this and a curse at all times, having my mind jump between several tasks in the heat of battle, but never holding onto the thought long enough to not be surprised by it 15 seconds later when it becomes a problem. :|

I'll give it further consideration, because honestly those would be really helpful, no argument there.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on July 24, 2021, 04:42:54 pm
It's configurable. You can change the icon sizes and how they are fading away - by default, they fade away when near the center of the screen and when the objects responsible for them are close enough to the player. You can tweak both values, as explained in Lafiel's post.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on July 25, 2021, 02:58:28 pm
I'll need to leave the attempt of yoinking the message box script from somewhere to sometime later because everything is ****ed and also something is on fire I'm experiencing technical difficulties. Or maybe you, Colt, could pack your own version and toss it here, if I could ask for that from you. Sorry!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 25, 2021, 03:12:31 pm
All good. I updated my information for people who want to get ahold of me.

I tried out the radar icons, and ran into a number of issues with them on 21.2.0 ... The game hung as it tried to load from briefing into mission, and then I had several stutters during gameplay as if it was trying to load the icons. Furthermore, new ships that came in, bombers, were not displaying icons at all. This was tested on the final mission of FreeSpace 2 with latest MediaVPs.

Also, even doing Apocalypse and getting the "Alpha 1 survived" ending, it doesn't "end" the FS2 campaign and lets you play the mission again. It also doesn't add any score whatsoever for that mission to my pilot profile, making any kills in that mission worthless. Is that retail behavior? I could have sworn that it had the same "this campaign is over" behavior as any other campaign. Is a flag not being set that the mission is cleared, or something?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on July 26, 2021, 01:06:39 am
In retail FS2, you could replay the final mission as many times as you wanted without ending the campaign.  The only way to actually get the "this campaign is over" dialog is to save Capella (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=450.0).
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 26, 2021, 04:35:39 pm
I was disappointed I couldn't just farm the SC Thanatos for rank. Ended my current run of FreeSpace 2 at 95,040 score. :(
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on July 27, 2021, 12:06:42 pm
If my help is still needed, I'll see what I can do. :yes:

also STAMPS
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********** FreeSpace 2 Single Missions **********
0:00:00 - Pre-Stream Banter
0:02:58 - Mission #7: The Queen
0:42:01 - Mission #8: The Trap
1:07:23 - Mission #9: Third Coming
1:38:45 - Mission #10: Third Watch
2:06:08 - Mission #11: To Destroy or Not To Destroy

********** FreeSpace Port Single Missions **********
2:46:40 - Mission #1: Eve of Destruction Redux
2:52:42 - Mission #2: The Great Escape
3:11:32 - Mission #3: Black Knight
3:30:16 - Mission #4: Crippler
3:39:58 - Mission #5: Deception
3:55:18 - Mission #6: Dead in the Water
4:06:10 - Post-Stream Banter (Incomplete)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 28, 2021, 10:11:23 am
I don't know what changed, but the radar icons stopped being moody. And I'd still appreciate help with getting the message box script.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on July 31, 2021, 07:15:07 pm
I upgraded my OBS setup to Streamlabs OBS and played around with settings to improve my engagement with the viewers. Sadly, there doesn't seem to be a feasible way for me to have the chat overlay without it being terribly obtrusive by virtue of how ugly the YouTube live chat interface is. The overlay doesn't take messages and run them through its own transparent medium, but rather essentially "mirrors" the YouTube live chat. Fortunately, I was able to get YouTube live chat to show up as part of Streamlabs OBS, and even moved it to the left side of the screen. Now my chat is directly next to the edge of the monitor I'm playing the game on, so it's at least more within peripheral vision.

I even tried messing with custom CSS, but alas, that's only useful for things that will be visible on the stream/VOD, but not to me while playing. If anyone has an idea of how one could go about directly modifying the way the overlay is handled by Streamlabs OBS, I'd be all ears. My plan had been to nestle chat in the little space between my ship's shield quadrants display and the energy balance gauges on the right.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on August 01, 2021, 11:01:40 am
Caught something on the stream  :p

(http://imgur.com/4vNzzXH.png)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 01, 2021, 08:23:03 pm
I'm beginning to suspect the game is slowly escalating the upsetting things it throws at me in a gradual push to destroy the last of my sanity.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 01, 2021, 09:09:19 pm
So while doing Silent Threat Single Missions in the FSPort + MediaVPs today on stream, I noticed that the shield penetration bug was happening. I had the fix applied to library/FS2/data, but it seems this only applies to FreeSpace 2 itself. Upon further testing, I found that this fix worked if I pasted things directly into the FreeSpace MediaVPs directories, since everything seems to use that as a base, but it begs the question if that's the only "universal" way to apply modifications/scripts.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on August 06, 2021, 10:39:39 am
Got some (very late) timestamps!

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********** Silent Threat Single Missions **********
0:00:00 - Pre-Stream Banter
0:05:00 - Mission #6: Dead in the Water
0:27:58 - Mission #14: Order of the Eye
0:41:50 - Inconvenient Shivans 1
1:03:19 - Mission #15: Fortress
1:13:12 - Mission #16: Test of Honor
1:19:08 - Inconvenient Shivans 2
1:28:38 - Mission #17: Hunted
1:31:25 - Joe hates rocks
1:40:24 - Inconvenient Shivans 3
1:49:36 - Mission #18: The Master of Illusion
2:06:51 - Mission #19: Into the Fire
2:20:26 - Mission #20: Loner
2:33:00 - Mission #21: The Manhattan Project
2:44:35 - Joe breaks the mission
2:50:13 - Mission #22: Red Herring
3:18:59 - Mission #23: Roadkill
3:27:17 - Inconvenient Shivans 4
3:34:15 - Mission #24: The Sands of Normandy
3:56:00 - Bonk
3:57:20 - Post-Stream Banter
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 06, 2021, 03:52:11 pm
Much appreciated my dude. I think last week's episode was probably the most mind-rending of my series thus far. I only give thanks that after this next session I'll (hopefully) never have to deal with such imbalanced, amateur garbage ever again.

... Right? :(
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on August 07, 2021, 11:05:47 pm
I'm surprised how poorly those missions aged.  (Or maybe it's FS1 vs FSO balance affecting gameplay again.)  I'll have to replay them on my copy of FS1; it's been a few years.

Order of the Eye, in particular, was made by Peter Drake, an important contributor in the very early days of FS modding.  He created several missions and wrote the documentation for FRED and FRED2.  And Order of the Eye was itself the source for a FRED tutorial (https://web.archive.org/web/20040824223949/http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/fs1/fred/using/mission.shtml).

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This mission will involve an attack on a Shivan cargo depot. The GTA hopes to destroy most of the cargo, but steal one container full of warp coils. Furthermore, some Vasudan holy warriors, the Order of the Eye, are debating whether to join the Terran/Vasudan alliance or the Hammer of Light.

Unbeknownst to the GTA, the cargo depot is bait for a trap. When the Terran freighter tries to make off with the warp coils, a Shivan cruiser will jump in to intercept it. The Terrans will jump in a cruiser of their own, and then the Shivans will bring in two more.

The climactic issue of the mission is whether the Terrans can destroy one of the Shivan cruisers before their own is taken out. If so, the Order of the Eye will join them. Otherwise, the Order will join up with the Hammer of Light.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 07, 2021, 11:15:15 pm
I'm certainly not undermining the importance of the original missions to the legacy of FreeSpace and the like. I just know that what I played, engine and all, went the way it went on camera. :P

At the very least, I'm hoping it was entertaining to the audience! For now, I'm heading to sleep to be rested for tomorrow's stream. Hope to see you all there!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on August 08, 2021, 05:09:31 am
Meanwhile, I have at last managed to clobber together a functional setup for the message box. Catch a zip file (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/223511363807346691/873870180369965066/Msgbox.zip).

There are two versions of the configs I made: one locates the box above the reticle, and the other under it. There are also separate versions of each for FSPort, because if you place the config not specifically made for Freespace Port in its data folder, the HUD will break quite a bit.

How to install: grab the preferred version of the config without _fsport in its name, and just dump its "data" contents into your MVPS "data" folder. Then do the same for _fsport version, but toss it into mediavps-fsport instead.

Later on, this addition might come into conflict with mods that heavily reorganise the HUD, but if that happens, you can either remove the entire script and its config, remove just the mv_root-hdg.tbm file and end up with the head animation weirdly out of place, or alternatively, preparing a separate HUD config for such a mod should be a breeze for me now.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 08, 2021, 05:25:49 am
Six hours of sleep is good, right? Nah, I'll probably go back to sleep, but I saw I had mail.

I gave your thing a try on FreeSpace 2, Mito, and I got error messages out the asshole, back to back to back. Here's just one of the many errors it dumped to my clipboard, all of which involve axmsg-sct.tbm. I had to remove the files because it made missions unplayable, sadly.

Maybe you and Colt put your heads together on this since he's also been working on this via emails to me. In a perfect world, the head anims would stay in the top left. :P

Code: [Select]
LUA ERROR: [string "axmsg-sct.tbm - On Game Init"]:354: attempt to index field 'Position' (a nil value)

------------------------------------------------------------------

stack traceback:
[C]: ?
[string "axmsg-sct.tbm - On Game Init"]:354: in function 'DrawMessageBox'
[string "axmsg-sct.tbm - On Game Init"]:310: in function 'Draw'
[string "axmsg-sct.tbm - On HUD Draw"]:467: in main chunk
------------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------------------------------------------
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on August 08, 2021, 06:27:02 am
Uh, you mean retail FS2, or the latest MediaVPs? God damn it I have no idea what's going wrong in here because I actually have this working in my MediaVPs, and this is just a copy of the files I have...

Also, whaaaaat? Moving the head anis is literally the thing I've been trying to do since last week.


EDIT: okay I seem to have forgotten to toss a couple files, dumb me. Please try it again with this zip (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/223511363807346691/873890747722641458/Msgbox.zip).
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 08, 2021, 06:30:00 am
Looks like I'm wide awake now, because I had the audacity to upgrade Mjn's Main Halls and suddenly my mods say I'm "missing" them. So I'm in the process of reinstalling Main Halls from scratch in the hopes I can ****ing stream in 3.5 hours.

Anyway, I'm running on FSO 21.2 stable, and I tried running MVPS 4.4.2. I loaded up the NECK-BET mission, and immediately got over a dozen error messages. Head ani showed up down below the reticle, and every frame (after hitting Continue) I'd get another error message like it was happening while trying to draw a message box. I can go back and get you each and every error if that would help?

EDIT: Reinstalling didn't work. **** me, what do I do to fix this? I need a solution in 3 hours or less.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on August 08, 2021, 06:33:42 am
See previous post for msgbox fix.

As for the mainhalls, gah. Looks like a package name changed for a reason and now everything relying on them will crash and burn. Stand by as I search for a quick and painless solution, even if temporary.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on August 08, 2021, 06:38:07 am
Apologies for double posting.

In the mod.json file of any mod you want to play (that likely will be MVPS, FSPort and FSPort-mediavps for today), replace
Code: [Select]
                {
                    "id": "MjnMHs",
                    "version": null,
                    "packages": [
                        "aquitaine_com",
                        "aquitaine"
                    ]
                }
with
Code: [Select]
                {
                    "id": "MjnMHs",
                    "version": "1.4.3",
                    "packages": [
                        "aquitaine_com",
                        "aquitaine"
                    ]
                }
That will make sure to force the mods to work with the previous, verified version of Mainhalls I believe. Please check if this will work on MVPS while I look around if the rest of the FSPort bunch has similar issues.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 08, 2021, 06:45:50 am
Okay, so... let's just in theory say I no longer have 1.4.3. I'm also aware that it's like, 4gb so it's not exactly easy to share... What do?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on August 08, 2021, 06:48:39 am
In Explore, you can navigate to Mjn's Mainhalls mod, enter Details, in the topleft corner choose 1.4.3, and then hit Install. Should work.

Meanwhile, mod.json files for fsport-mediavps (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/683081283303112739/873894243859578901/mod.json) and ST:R (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/683081283303112739/873894553776709662/mod.json). Seems like Knossos will reject any attempt to Modify and likely Update these, but they should launch just fine.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 08, 2021, 07:08:05 am
Nope, dropdown only shows me 1.4.4.

Don't suppose you know of a place where you could upload a ~4gb rar or 7z, do you? :D
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on August 08, 2021, 07:10:32 am
It needs to be accessed from the Explore tab. From Home tab, you only get the installed versions, and Explore should show all versions available from Nebula.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 08, 2021, 07:12:50 am
Aha, so it does. Alright then, I'll get this set up, and... try to get 2 more hours of sleep. At least I'll have a fun little rant to add to my planned pre-stream banter.

Thanks for all of your help, Mito. You're a life-saver.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on August 08, 2021, 07:29:48 am
Don't write the bugs off yet! Stuff still might happen.

Also please give the fixed version of message box a quick run if you can, I was really dumb when packing the previous one! :D
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 08, 2021, 08:01:59 am
Both games launch, testing stuff now. Would be really nice if someone could optimize the Radar Icons at some point so they don't make my game **** itself every time I load into a mission for the first time, every time I hit F4 or F2 in mission, and return from those menus. Loading every single icon seems too much, but I don't know that there's any way to check what icons are needed by the mission to load only those.

Message boxes work fantastically in FS2 MediaVPs. Don't know how I feel about the chat "history" being tiny. I worry about the narrative text being cut off by the generic wingman responses and then me having to squint to read it in the top left corner. I guess there's no perfect world, though. It would be nice if there was a way to separate scripted messages from generic responses and display them in separate places.

Well that's not good. FreeSpace Port MediaVPs crashed with the following:

Code: [Select]
Error: FreeSpace2.fc2(line 7)
Error: Unable to find ship class GTF Myrmidon in stuff_int_list!
File: parselo.cpp
Line: 312

Wasn't getting that before. Happens when I try to load NORMAL FreeSpace Port as well. What the hell is going on?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on August 08, 2021, 08:19:17 am
While I can't do much in regards to radar icons seemingly caching a bunch of stuff, the font change in message boxes should be trivial. Navigate to data/config/axmessage.cfg, locate "Backlog": entry and change "Font": value to 3. 1 is the small font, 2 is the huge font, 3 is the medium sized font.

As for the crash, please grab a debug log. Something is obviously wrong here and I'm not sure why.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: EatThePath on August 08, 2021, 09:58:51 am
Both games launch, testing stuff now. Would be really nice if someone could optimize the Radar Icons at some point so they don't make my game **** itself every time I load into a mission for the first time, every time I hit F4 or F2 in mission, and return from those menus. Loading every single icon seems too much, but I don't know that there's any way to check what icons are needed by the mission to load only those.
As far as I'm aware the thing that radar icons does that freezes the game up should ONLY happen the first time you launch ANY mission after starting the game, it shouldn't happen each mission and it defintely shouldn't happen for F4 or F2. But that doesn't mean it doesn't. Worth looking into, I've defintely noticed my F2 is taking a lot longer than it should and I hadn't made the connection to radar icons yet
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: jadeddragoon on August 08, 2021, 07:12:55 pm
Mito, Mito, he's our man! If he can't fix it, no one can! Gooooo MITO!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on August 09, 2021, 01:40:05 pm
Please don't make me blush.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on August 09, 2021, 06:25:56 pm
Can I make another suggestion to add on to the to-do list?

I would suggest the campaigns "Incursion" and "Return To Sol".   "Incursion" is the first part and "Return To Sol" is the sequel.  I believe if you download the file on Knossos it should have the option in the campaign room to play the two as one big campaign "Incursion + Return To Sol". 

I'm not 100% sure of the timeline year of the two, however I know they take place after FS2.  One commenter somewhere said Incursion starts in 2376 and Return To Sol shortly after that...so in absence of more concrete info I'll go with that.

Do you think this would be possible?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 09, 2021, 07:25:40 pm
I went back to the last stream to check the suggestions made at the end of the stream for what else to play, and they were Reunion and New Path. Coupled with Incursion & Return to Sol, can anyone vouch for the quality or give me info on how they fit into the timeline? Are these all things that should be squeezed into my list in the "FreeSpace Continuity" or do any of them fit better in the second list?

I'm still not sure if I determined if Bem Cavalgar should be a part of list 1 or list 2. I may have determined the gameplay was significantly different enough to justify list 2, but I can't recall.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 10, 2021, 06:25:20 pm
Also, is anyone else getting a weapons.tbl error from Frontlines 2334? Suffice to say, I won't be able to play it when we get to that point in the playlist unless I figure out some sort of workaround.

EDIT: Oof, upon further investigation, it looks like a few of my mods are throwing errors. I'm going to go ahead and upload some debug logs, and maybe people can help me figure out what's going on. For now, I guess I'll test the mods in order I'll be playing them and make sure I've at least got my priority mods working. Memories of the Great War launches and plays with no problems. Same with Deneb III. Ran into a similar issue switching to Echo Gate on Shivans, though. Phantoms loads fine.

Shivans, Echo Gate: https://fsnebula.org/log/61131066b15aef1dcc95ce56
Shrouding the Light: https://fsnebula.org/log/6113119da0b4895db795ce56
Destiny of Peace: https://fsnebula.org/log/611319689831a2e18495ce5a
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: EatThePath on August 10, 2021, 07:36:38 pm
The stuff_int_list errors in Shivans and Peace were I believe a once non-fatal error that became briefly fatal but was returned to the old behavior later. If I'm interperting the changelogs right nightlies after june 20th might be able to deal with that.

The other is similar, there's a real error in the table that used to be ignored and is now picked up, I don't know if that was relaxed again at some point or not.

The 21.4-RC1 might be worth trying, rather than trying to hunt out a good nightly, but for stream stability I could understand if both are unappealing.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 10, 2021, 07:40:03 pm
Yeah, stream stability is definitely important. If there's a patchwork fix I could apply that would be ideal, but I'm sure it's not that simple. Also I haven't tested the full list, but I took a breather there because I have work tasks on my plate and everything else was far enough down the timeline I could tackle it later.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: EatThePath on August 10, 2021, 08:12:51 pm
Well, I can confirm that 21.4 RC1 does launch Shivans without complaint, Destiny should be good too. I'll try to grab Shrouding too and see if it works.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: EatThePath on August 10, 2021, 08:50:28 pm
Shrouding the light is still broken on RC1, was afraid of that. Someone will have to go in and fix the broken number. It gives file and line number helpfully enough though.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 10, 2021, 09:09:37 pm
Oh ****, does Between the Ashes also give Operation Templar a touch-up?

EDIT: Everything else fixed, ignore previous claims of bugginess.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on August 11, 2021, 12:50:58 am
Stampin' time.

Hidden Text: Show
0:00:00 - Pre-Stream Banter
0:15:53 - Mission #25: The GTI Shadow
0:28:37 - Mission #26: Shadows (Why do we still here? Just to suffer?)
0:42:43 - Alpha? ALPHA?
1:09:46 - "I'm outta here."
1:13:12 - Mission #27: Cutting the Supply Line
1:53:37 - Mission #28: Surprise (Highlight Reel: The Mission)
2:09:57 - Mission #29: Survivors
2:33:13 - Mission #30: Virginia's Run
2:41:34 - Mission #31: Supplies, Supplies!
3:11:20 - Post-Stream Banter

Man, I was crying of laughter again when I got to the Typhon part while time stamping the video. Literally "Dick Kickem (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asNcneOxjYg)" levels of gut laugh.  :wakka:
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: 0rph3u5 on August 11, 2021, 02:12:26 am
Shivans, Echo Gate: https://fsnebula.org/log/61131066b15aef1dcc95ce56
[...]
Destiny of Peace: https://fsnebula.org/log/611319689831a2e18495ce5a

That appears to be an error in the campaign files; both appear to be an oversight.

Shrouding the Light: https://fsnebula.org/log/6113119da0b4895db795ce56

That's an old error that propably comes from a outdated version of the FSPort weapons.tbl being used.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on August 11, 2021, 06:03:00 pm
Echo Gate and Destiny of Peace are now fixed.

Admiral Nelson is working on Shrouding the Light so that should be fixed shortly as well.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 11, 2021, 08:18:56 pm
Thank you guys so much for looking into this!

Consequently, does anyone know what changed on FreeSpace Port, FS2 MediaVPs, and Between the Ashes? Are these related changes?

EDIT: Strange, MediaVPs and Between the Ashes instantly completed and gave a Knossos popup (which doesn't normally happen when updating) saying "Done." with no version change. Some weird quirk of Knossos, maybe...
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on August 11, 2021, 08:25:26 pm
Here's the FSPort changelog:
Quote
Updates in 3.6.9:
--Improve version compatibility via version-specific commenting
--Match retail docked speed in Secret Recovery
--Make the jump node flicker and disappear in The End
--Fix some briefing icons

The first two are things discovered through Colt's testing, and the second two are because of your stream. :yes:  Just like the planet icon sometimes got changed to another ship, the SD Demon sometimes got changed to a support ship.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 11, 2021, 09:26:40 pm
Huzzah! Destiny of Peace and Echo Gate both load and I can get into a mission seamlessly! Now it's just a matter of Shrouding the Light and Frontlines 2334. I'm going to continue going through my list and see if I hit any other snags. Thank you guys for the fixes. Already liking the little previews I'm seeing from loading up these campaigns and their first missions!

The Procyon Insurgency: https://fsnebula.org/log/6114955ecb8e3a769a95ce62
The Aftermath Reboot: https://fsnebula.org/log/61149e10b15aef1dcc95ce5b
The Aftermath Reboot II: https://fsnebula.org/log/61149e5f9831a2e18495ce5d

Transcend is playable, but... This may have to do with my Radar Icons mod, so maybe someone could let me know how I can make these two play nice.
https://i.imgur.com/a88YNnO.jpeg
https://fsnebula.org/log/61149669cb8e3a769a95ce63

Also it seems that Inferno: Nostos is attempting to draw a new interface, but my old interface is still drawn, so...
https://i.imgur.com/SvpY0Zd.png
https://fsnebula.org/log/611589f29831a2e18495ce5e
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Admiral Nelson on August 12, 2021, 06:23:30 am
Shrouding the Light is now also corrected. (version 2.5.0).

Let me look at Frontlines.

[EDIT] Frontlines should also now be all set (Version 1.5.0)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 12, 2021, 03:55:06 pm
Awesome, both work great! :)

I'm tinkering with my settings to see if I can't figure out what Transcend and Inferno Nostos are doing with the HUD. I'm sure it has something to do with my radar icon or message box mods.

EDIT: Yep, figured. I removed all mods from MediaVPs 3.7.2 (which both mods use) and everything worked fine. Except ew, why do they both put the message box in the top left when they have no voice acting? :(

I wonder if I can pester Mito about a Transcend and Inferno: Nostos specific message box mod...
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on August 13, 2021, 10:14:09 am
You likely can, I will rather have a chance to set something up by the time you play either on stream. Pester me a bit more, and I might do it quicker :P
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on August 13, 2021, 05:33:41 pm
I went back to the last stream to check the suggestions made at the end of the stream for what else to play, and they were Reunion and New Path. Coupled with Incursion & Return to Sol, can anyone vouch for the quality or give me info on how they fit into the timeline? Are these all things that should be squeezed into my list in the "FreeSpace Continuity" or do any of them fit better in the second list?

I'm still not sure if I determined if Bem Cavalgar should be a part of list 1 or list 2. I may have determined the gameplay was significantly different enough to justify list 2, but I can't recall.

For Incursion +Return To Sol:

They're campaigns that take place post-Capella.  Incursion takes place in 2376 and its sequel Return To Sol takes place in 2380 (it's not officially stated in the campaign but that's what one of the comments I've found said in terms of when it takes place.)  I'm sorry I can't be more clear on a specific date, but I am sure they take place post-Capella...it's just that the campaigns don't say a specific year. 

In terms of quality, I had fun with them.  They're both fairly straightforward in terms of gameplay (kind of like Warzone and the main FS2 campaign for example) but enjoyable. 

They could go in your first list I'd say.

Does this help?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 13, 2021, 05:37:29 pm
Very much! Thank you! :)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 15, 2021, 01:11:11 am
I really wish there was some consolidated place to find changelogs for the mods. I click on the Forum button in Knossos, but those often lead to long-dead threads and fsnebula doesn't seem to have anything like this. Is there some sort of place one could go to see something like an HLP-maintained patch history of the different mods?

Also, about to go to sleep. See you guys in the morning for Memories of the Great War stream! :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIovmB_tRgA
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: 0rph3u5 on August 15, 2021, 03:12:01 pm
Thank you for featuring my campaigns.

And, if I am allowed to, let me just thank you for your frustration with the third mission of Hellgate: Ikeya. The misery of players during that mission keeps me young. /joke

I am glad that these campaigns are still at least somewhat enjoyable after all these years. The "ambush design" is a youthful sin of mine and I hope I have unleared it somewhat for future content.

As for the proofread, I will pull the text in the next weeks and hand it off to be checked once more - that has indeed been long overdue.

As for the briefings, I wish there was an option to disable the grid entirely for the briefing TBH. But once the briefing texts are revised I promise to take another look at the boards as well.

I will look into further tweaks to HGI mission 3 - probably a further decrease of bomb damage to the wreckage, and/or extending the download radius.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 15, 2021, 04:12:04 pm
Thank you for making such intense missions! Honestly, I can forgive the tiny flaws here and there because it's still a very polished product and I genuinely felt challenged. Most of my frustration with missions comes from personal trial and error, needing to determine what the best course of action is to do well, not because the mission design itself is lacking. Never take my first or second attempt reactions to a mission at face value. :P

In that third mission, at least, I think it may simply be that the bomb damage is a bit too high, if only just barely. Knowing that I almost completed the mission at 87 and 95% both times, I'm less inclined to complain. Just knowing that it's a % would be helpful. I'm actually enjoying it enough to go back and at least try to get all the bonus objectives, so definitely don't think that it isn't an awesome campaign! I love some of the design choices you made and the expectations you have for the player against overwhelming odds, still making victory attainable. A good challenge gets me stoked.

As stated, if you need someone to nitpick grammar, briefing oversights, or things like that, I'm more than happy to help. Being who I am and having just finished 4 weeks of Silent Threat Single Missions *shudder* I'm more than qualified to spot those things and offer feedback and corrections. I'm definitely looking forward to playing through again, and would love to get my hands on Episodes 1 and 4 when they come out. I only hope that I did your campaign justice by showcasing it on the channel. :D
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: 0rph3u5 on August 15, 2021, 04:52:57 pm
After watching the whole stream I need you to see this:

(https://i.imgur.com/MODbRbB.jpg)

And the link to the source for the "public comments" in the HGI epilogue:
https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=95026.msg1872258#msg1872258
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on August 15, 2021, 05:14:02 pm
I really wish there was some consolidated place to find changelogs for the mods. I click on the Forum button in Knossos, but those often lead to long-dead threads and fsnebula doesn't seem to have anything like this. Is there some sort of place one could go to see something like an HLP-maintained patch history of the different mods?

The short answer is no.  The long answer is that almost nobody maintains changelogs of that sort.  FSPort has a changelog in its readme, FSO posts a forum thread with changes for every release, and Scroll (sometimes) posts changes when it releases an update, but those are the only examples I know of.

I missed this week and last week but I'll definitely be there next week.  Looking forward to it. :yes:

Incidentally, you should be able to fit both Deneb III and Shivans into a single stream.  Deneb III is three missions (although the last one is a humdinger), Phantoms is five, and Echo Gate is four.  Trimurti is a fairly long campaign, and quite different from the usual fare, so it would be good to start that campaign at the beginning of a stream.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 16, 2021, 03:44:29 am
Damn, it looks like Deneb III has the same issues with my radar icons and/or message box mods as Transcend; namely, the bottom radar's ellipse doesn't draw, and Auto Target / Auto Speed don't draw properly. I'll relist the issues and screens in this post to avoid having to dig back.

The Procyon Insurgency: https://fsnebula.org/log/6114955ecb8e3a769a95ce62
The Aftermath Reboot: https://fsnebula.org/log/61149e10b15aef1dcc95ce5b
The Aftermath Reboot II: https://fsnebula.org/log/61149e5f9831a2e18495ce5d

Transcend is playable, but... This may have to do with my Radar Icons mod, so maybe someone could let me know how I can make these two play nice.
https://i.imgur.com/a88YNnO.jpeg
https://fsnebula.org/log/61149669cb8e3a769a95ce63

Also it seems that Inferno: Nostos is attempting to draw a new interface, but my old interface is still drawn, so...
https://i.imgur.com/SvpY0Zd.png
https://fsnebula.org/log/611589f29831a2e18495ce5e
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on August 16, 2021, 09:04:18 am
To verify: do all of the affected mods run on the same MediaVPs version?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on August 16, 2021, 09:54:21 am
Both Transcend and Deneb III use the 3.7.2 version of the MVPs, so there could be a mod conflict specific to that version.

Updating Deneb III to MVPs 4.4.x is on my to-do list, but I'm waiting for a certain asset to be completed first.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 16, 2021, 01:00:49 pm
Yeah, same with Inferno: Nostos. I don't know enough about the backend to even begin guessing at what the issue is, but it definitely seems related to 3.7.2 MVPs.

Upon further investigation, it looks like Aftermath Reboot I & II are also on 3.7.2, so that may be at least somewhat related to my inability to launch them. Don't know if my mods would cause the game to refuse to launch outright, but spit-balling here.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on August 16, 2021, 01:42:29 pm
Hm, so as I suspected, I'll just have to just create one table based on MVPs 3.7.2 instead of 4.4.2.

Geez, that's a "lot of versions"-old. Did anyone try running Deneb III, or other mods from the list, with manually forced recent MVPS?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on August 17, 2021, 03:36:53 pm
Link (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/772518429798039572/877288585525608508/msgbox_372.zip) to a zip with a 3.7.2 MVPS compatible setup of the msgbox script. The HUD looks a tad ugly and is scaled differently than in recent MVPS, but that's what I could cobble up.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 17, 2021, 04:09:38 pm
With Mito's assistance, we managed to resolve any issues with the HUD and my mods by simply forcing Transcend to 4.4.2 from 3.7.2, so it's workable now. Having said that, he pointed out Deneb III would be more complicated than simply changing a json, so I guess I should ask Goober5000 what he thinks a timeline on moving Deneb III to 4.4.2 might look like. If that asset completion makes it not feasible before Sunday, I'll try giving this quick and dirty 3.7.2 fix Mito worked on a shot.

EDIT: And unfortunately despite Mito's best efforts, the 3.7.2 compatible messagebox mod has the same HUD issues on Deneb III. Oof. Might just have to stream with things looking a little unpolished on Sunday, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on August 17, 2021, 04:48:42 pm
Caught up on the stream.  :yes:

Hidden Text: Show
0:12:43 - Pre-Stream Banter
=====Hellgate: Ikeya=====
0:16:31 - Mission #1: To Dance Among Shadows
0:41:09 - Mission #2: Tortured Souls
0:58:50 - Mission #3: Whisperings of the Damned
1:28:50 - Mission #4: The Hellgate
2:02:36 - Epilogue
=====Light of Antares=====
2:12:55 - Mission #1: A Line in the Sand
2:40:22 - Mission #2: Trickery at Luxor Station
2:56:19 - Mission #3: Pas d'armes
3:39:06 - Mission #4: En Garde!
3:56:45 - Mission #5: Bildersturm
4:18:16 - Epilogue
4:22:03 - Post-Stream Banter
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on August 17, 2021, 09:24:15 pm
With Mito's assistance, we managed to resolve any issues with the HUD and my mods by simply forcing Transcend to 4.4.2 from 3.7.2, so it's workable now. Having said that, he pointed out Deneb III would be more complicated than simply changing a json, so I guess I should ask Goober5000 what he thinks a timeline on moving Deneb III to 4.4.2 might look like. If that asset completion makes it not feasible before Sunday, I'll try giving this quick and dirty 3.7.2 fix Mito worked on a shot.

EDIT: And unfortunately despite Mito's best efforts, the 3.7.2 compatible messagebox mod has the same HUD issues on Deneb III. Oof. Might just have to stream with things looking a little unpolished on Sunday, unfortunately.

As I said, I'm waiting for an asset to be completed; but even if it were available today, I'd be reluctant to give the mod a major overhaul just a few days before a stream.  Remember your experience with last-minute reconfiguration? :p

Additionally I personally really dislike the moved message location and I prefer it where it usually is.  So I'd be in favor of you just playing the campaign the way it was designed to look.  That being said, the campaign is voice-acted, so pausing to read messages is not as critical.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 17, 2021, 11:14:56 pm
The voice acting being a thing sells me on just working without the message box, at the very least.

Despite seemingly only removing message box files, I cannot get the game not to crash upon Commit when I have only radar icons left. I looked through the files for any instance of the error being thrown but cannot decipher what the problem is. I don't want to also have to remove the radar icons mod, but if I can't figure this out, I may have to just play with the slightly buggy HUD. I'll try running in Fast Debug and post a log, and maybe someone can point out what I removed that I shouldn't have.

EDIT: Well okay, nothing crashes, but it does throw a critical error before having the EXACT SAME HUD ISSUES as if I had the message box mod installed. Maybe this is also related to radar icons and not just the message box? I don't know any more, honestly.

https://fsnebula.org/log/611c9ab79831a2e18495ce60

EDIT2: I may have discovered the issue. Deneb III uses BOTH MVPs 3.7.2 AND FSPort MVPs 3.7.2, and the message box mods for those two don't play nicely together. Both were loading, so removing the data folder from FSPort MVPs 3.7.2 seemed to fix everything and, assuming that the UI for Deneb III is supposed to be smaller, it seems to work fine. I'll post a screen, and then also figure out if there's any other mods that uses 3.7.2 of either or both versions to see if I can just skip having the data folder in one or the other. Or, better yet, if I could get a Deneb III specific data folder that, if my understanding of file priority is correct, will prevent the message box mod and display the UI using Goober's intended settings.

https://i.imgur.com/1ufUGLS.jpeg

It seems Bem Cavalgar also uses both FSPort MVPs and Upgrade MVPs 3.7.2. If I had to remove one or the other, it would probably be the mods for the FSPort 3.7.2 package, since I haven't found any of my installed mods that use only that one so far, and removing only that one allows those which use both to load without weird UI problems.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on August 18, 2021, 11:46:31 am
I'm surprised the message box mods don't play well together, because every FSPort MVPs inherits from the regular MVPs.  This is the standard way to do things because FSPort MVPs is an augmentation of the MVPs, not a replacement.  FSPort uses the FS1-style HUD, so it does need its own hud configuration file, but any modder who adds one should make sure it plays well with the MVP one.

That crash in the log file you posted is because the radar icons mod depends on at least one file - parsecfg-sct.tbm - that apparently isn't included in the radar icons mod but is included in the message box mod.  Whoever maintains the radar icons mod should add it, plus other missing files if needed.

Though if I had my preference, the radar icons mod would be disabled too.  You have the actual ship model to look at; why would you want the 2D icon on top of it?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 18, 2021, 02:07:38 pm
Aesthetically, I agree with your sentiments. As someone who has terrible situational awareness, however, the small HUD elements I already found left me frantically looking for the information I needed since my eye wasn't immediately drawn to it in lieu of all the wide open space, and at least where fighters are concerned and cruisers in the far distance, it is really easy for things to go off of my mental radar in the heat of the moment.

I'm certainly not suggesting this should be the standard, it's just that I, as a player, have found that I'm not nearly as sharp and omni-vigilant as I was when I played these games as a kid. The message box and radar icon mods are essentially crutches that I unfortunately find myself relying on. It's sad to admit that I'm getting old. :(

EDIT: I've just been informed the tiny HUD is a 3.7.2 thing, not a Goober thing. Mito and I worked out a solution to the "bug" (which was just trying to display tiny HUD elements on the normal sized HUD) by ripping the HUD anis from the latest FSPort MVP and putting them in 3.7.2's data folder so everything draws normal size. Everything is working now, including the mods.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on August 18, 2021, 02:17:45 pm
1. It seems like both scripts require the aforementioned parsecfg-sct.tbm and dkjson.lua files. That I forgot to ship with the previous iterations of the msgbox because I thought they're required only for the radar icon script.

2. The message box script doesn't move the head ani by itself. In order to do that, I used a mv_root-hdg.tbm ripped straight out of the most recent MediaVPs, only with the position of the head ani changed. There are two issues: one, using the same config for fsport-mediavps breaks the center reticle, hence separate configs, two:  3.7.2 MediaVPs seem to be using a much simpler HUD config than more recent ones, and it looks like they can't recognise some of the settings or HUD gauges used in these. Hence... yet another config, I guess.

3. I had no idea Deneb III has voice acting! That's great!

4. Radar icons script has a bunch of features just to adress such criticisms, Goober. The icons fade when targets get close enough, and when the targets are close enough to the center of the reticle. Both values are configurable.


I might have forgotten something, whatever.

I would have given it a bunch more time if I could but if I do have the time to watch the stream this Sunday, it's going to be literally most of my free time available across this whole week.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: EatThePath on August 19, 2021, 11:02:14 pm
4. Radar icons script has a bunch of features just to adress such criticisms, Goober. The icons fade when targets get close enough, and when the targets are close enough to the center of the reticle. Both values are configurable.

And it's getting a decent set of new ones at my request to better address similar ones  ;)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 21, 2021, 10:43:53 pm
I'm looking forward to playing Goober5000 and Blaise Russel's campaigns on stream tomorrow! :D
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on August 22, 2021, 02:37:16 pm
Stumps.
Hidden Text: Show
0:00:00 - Waiting Room
0:09:08 - Pre-Stream Banter

********** Deneb III **********
0:16:06 - Mission #1: Exodus
0:42:59 - Mission #2: Bear Necessities
1:33:12 - Dramatic Action Movie Scene
1:46:00 - Mission #3: Agnus Dei, Miserere Nobis
2:12:01 - The Big Moment

********** Shivans: Phantoms **********
2:32:22 - Mission #1: Silent Night
2:43:02 - Mission #2: Opening Shots
3:05:43 - Mission #3: Shadows on the Wall
3:16:11 - Mission #4: Strange Bedfellows
3:59:14 - Mission #5: A Declaration of War
4:11:31 - Post-Stream Banter
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on August 23, 2021, 07:34:47 pm
When suggesting campaigns in the future, would you also like to be notified about their general difficulty (as in whether they're fairly easy or challenging)?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 23, 2021, 07:37:23 pm
That wouldn't be a bad idea, so I can sort of build my stream schedule around it.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 29, 2021, 01:39:23 pm
I've finally taken Mito's advice and started replacing the YouTube thumbnails, and I got up to the HLP campaigns. I'm no artist, and I'm just doing the best I can to find relevant resources, but if any artists or the modmakers want to give me modified versions of their Knossos images to use as thumbnails, that would be cool. I particularly like the vertical arrangement with the horizontal 4-way-split of Orpheus' Memories of the Great War. Would be awesome if someone were capable of getting those source images and making it a horizontal arrangement with vertical splits for a widescreen format. :P

Also. it seems I can't launch Trimurti without a crash... Error is...

Error: Unexpected end of quoted string embedded in sexp!
File: sexp.cpp
Line: 3531
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Asteroth on August 29, 2021, 02:18:32 pm
Do you have a debug log?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 29, 2021, 02:41:37 pm
Hidee ho, neighbor!

https://fsnebula.org/log/612be29c9831a2e18495ce62
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: woutersmits on August 29, 2021, 02:56:28 pm
an you warn that streamer that eaggl;e takes flight its inposseble to beat first mission
you dont have anti shielt
ai goes nothing on first mission
he flying
to nthing
i had to disable myzelf
and after that one shivan comming up
you only have mx50
it destory quick its inposseble to beat
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Asteroth on August 29, 2021, 03:08:45 pm
That's a strange bug, and I'm not able to replicate it myself and it doesn't appear to be coming from the base mod. Do you have any extra "addons" you might try turning on or off? I notice you have the radar icons script, could you try temporarily disabling it (like renaming the extension) and see if that fixes it?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: woutersmits on August 29, 2021, 03:19:17 pm
it has nothing with redayr mx 50 dont have shield breaker
only secondary have subsystem
breaker
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 29, 2021, 05:34:57 pm
That's a strange bug, and I'm not able to replicate it myself and it doesn't appear to be coming from the base mod. Do you have any extra "addons" you might try turning on or off? I notice you have the radar icons script, could you try temporarily disabling it (like renaming the extension) and see if that fixes it?

I was afraid it might be one of the mods. Hopefully it's not radar icons, but I'll give it a try. If it is, I need to figure out a way to make Trimurti "ignore" the mods, since they're applied within the MVPs and moving those files in and out specifically to play Trimurti would be inconvenient. :x

EDIT: Alas, it was the mods. Full disclosure, I actually had a buddy running through the campaign on the exact same install setup as me to ensure everything worked without a hitch so I could avoid spoiling what would otherwise be a blind playthrough next week. So there's been some delay in troubleshooting as I act as the middleman. He said that the issue only occurs specifically when he tries to Commit to the 9th mission. Is there something specific in that mission (no spoilers please!) which either the message box mod or radar icons mod would cause? We don't know which one it was, since he just removed the entire data folder from both FSPort MVPs 4.3.5 and MVPs 4.3.3 which Trimurti uses.

EDIT2: My pal also wanted me to tell you that your campaign is, and I quote "really feckin' awesome". :P

EDIT3: I'll see if we can't narrow down which mod it is, and I'll get back to you. Yup, it's the radar icons mod.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Asteroth on August 29, 2021, 06:07:28 pm
Ah ok, mission 9 does indeed help narrow it down a lot. Good to hear you aren't spoiling yourself during troubleshooting as well :lol:

Edit: May I see the radaricon.cfg you're using as well? Should be in data/config
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 29, 2021, 06:39:52 pm
So it seems your mod has its own message box in the VPs, as my pal stated the message box appeared above the reticle. Fortunately, I proposed putting a copy of the fsport compatible message box mod in a data folder in shv-1.2.2 and that moved it to the appropriate place.

The reason I bring that up is if we figure what the issue is with radar icons, perhaps a variation of the mod could be made that could be stuck into that same data folder, since the last in the line of load order is the data folder inside a mod? Or, barring that, some sort of substitute that prevents it from loading at all and I can play that mod without radar icons without having to remove those mods from my FSPort MVPs and MVPs. :x
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 29, 2021, 06:59:50 pm
Also, do you happen to still have the assets you used to make that banner for Knossos? I'd like to make a full YouTube thumbnail (16:9), and I ripped Fractal13 from your VP and the banner itself, as I was originally going to try to put the banner overtop a resized and 30 degree CCW rotated png. Unfortunately, the resolution of the game asset is much lower than what you used for your banner, so it's noticeably fuzzier when blown up. I would love to get the original uncompressed Fractal13 you used for the banner in its uncropped glory. :P
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Asteroth on August 29, 2021, 08:49:47 pm
I unfortunately do not have the source any more for fractal13 (although if I spent some time I could probably make something from scratch that looks pretty close). However, I did make a higher res cropped version of it for my desktop background, is this sufficient?

Still working on a workaround for the radar icons script.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on August 29, 2021, 08:50:39 pm
Perfect! Behold!

https://i.imgur.com/lQv2GU4.png

I really wanted to use the following beauty for FreeSpace 2 since it was a recreation of the box art, but alas, it's 4:3 instead of 16:9 :(

https://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2024/235/1600/Htlboxart.png

If anyone is willing to contribute gorgeous images that seem appropriate for the respective campaigns for thumbnails, I'd love to see them.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on August 30, 2021, 04:49:04 am
Edit: also, a couple resources I'd like to link to you. One, the Colossus cutscene text crowdsourcing (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=96788.0), two, the Colossus cutscene logos crowdsourcing (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=96792.0), three, HLP Wiki screenshot repository (https://wiki.hard-light.net/index.php/Screenshots). There's (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=97106.0) also (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=96958.0) a bunch of (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=96884.0) screenshot (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=96700.0) contest (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=96605.0) topics (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=96420.0).
There's nothing very specifically picked though, just a bunch of really good screenies from around the community.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on August 30, 2021, 07:47:02 pm
That wouldn't be a bad idea, so I can sort of build my stream schedule around it.

Here's my opinion on which campaigns in your to-do list are at least IMO above average in terms of difficulty (at least in terms of ones I've played).  This isn't to say they're bad, but just probably harder than the average campaign overall.  These aren't in order of difficulty but just the order they were put on your lists.  Again, these are just my opinion...some might find them easy.

Harder than average campaigns:
Series Resurrecta (both campaigns)
Between The Ashes
Cardinal Spear (the first campaign at least.  The second campaign/sequel Cardinal Spear:  Vega is noticeably easier IMO)
Frontlines 2334
The Procyon Insurgency
Aftermath II:  The Blue Guardian
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on September 01, 2021, 09:48:35 am
Okay, there was miscommunication with the buddy. The issue is on Mission #10, not #9.

He thought it was mission 9 because that's what his last mission said in the tech room. I told him that tech room doesn't unlock missions until you beat them in campaign, so he said that the issue is Mission #10 then.

@Asteroth: Sorry, I didn't see your edit asking for radaricon.cfg, so here it is.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Lafiel on September 01, 2021, 10:17:34 am
Found the issue with the script: The mission had a ship with an exclamation point in its name.
The SEXPs used by the scripts do not like that at all.
Now that I know that this can be a thing, the new version should have fixed that now.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on September 01, 2021, 09:59:27 pm
Stamps.
Hidden Text: Show
0:00:00 - Waiting Room
0:09:57 - Pre-Stream Banter

********** Shivans: Echo Gate **********
0:19:03 - Mission #1: Holy Grounds
0:35:21 - Demon Surprise™
0:47:57 - Mission #2: The Hive
1:01:18 - Mission #3: Lance of the Vigil
1:38:10 - Mission #3: Lance of the Vigil (2nd run)
1:49:12 - Mission #4: Return to Fountain

********** Tango **********
2:09:26 - Mission #1: Tango Sector Patrol
2:45:50 - Bumps and Rocks
2:48:08 - Mission #2: Return to Tango
2:55:51 - Mission #3: Battle at Tango
3:09:06 - Post-Stream Banter
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on September 03, 2021, 01:05:20 am
Just in case I didn't update everyone, my buddy managed to get radar icons and Trimurti to run seamlessly with the update from Lafiel, and I made sure I've got the exact same setup on my system. There should be no problems on stream this Sunday, but fingers crossed since I didn't test it personally. For how much everyone's hyping this campaign, I think this Sunday will be a good session.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on September 03, 2021, 01:20:55 am
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Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on September 03, 2021, 01:22:02 am
Shouldn't it be in ternary?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on September 03, 2021, 01:32:22 am
212/022/120/120/121/201/  :nervous:
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on September 03, 2021, 02:26:37 am
I discovered some errant behavior related to what moving part in the entire FreeSpace machine, that there is fortunately a relatively easy workaround for. If you select the FreeSpace 2 campaign in FreeSpace 2, close the game, and attempt to open a mod that uses FS1 era ships or simply does not use FS2 ships, you'll get a crash error, the usual "Cannot load GTF Myrmidon" like it's attempting to load FS2 ships. I suppose this is partly due to the fact that there's likely no way to force a mod load to change what the player's currently selected campaign is, and trying to open FSPort MVPs has a similar issue.

Fortunately, I found I could launch the base FSPort (no MVPs), load into it, go to the Campaign Room, and choose FreeSpace: The Great War, and then close the game. After that, I seem to be able to load into other mods without trouble.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: EatThePath on September 03, 2021, 06:29:32 am
A debug log of one such crash would be appreciated, because that's definitely not supposed to happen and not something I have experienced when switching between mods with very different ship sets
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on September 03, 2021, 10:04:52 am
Steps to reproduce, in my case:

https://fsnebula.org/log/613239899831a2e18495ce64
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: EatThePath on September 03, 2021, 04:05:48 pm
ah, there's that pesky stuff_int_list again. I suspect this issue is resolved in current versions, hopefully 21.4 will be in a state you're comfortable jumping to soon.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on September 03, 2021, 04:35:22 pm
I'm really curious what change was major enough to justify jumping a subversion from 21.3 to 21.4, but stable is still 21.2

What's changed under the hood? :o
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: EatThePath on September 03, 2021, 09:02:52 pm
I believe it's just convention, a few hiccups aside odd numbers are for development versions and even for releases.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on September 04, 2021, 12:17:37 pm
Release versions are even numbers, testing (nightly) versions are odd numbers.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on September 04, 2021, 08:17:47 pm
Get hype for tomorrow!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Darius on September 04, 2021, 11:03:40 pm
Looking forward to seeing Trimurti. I may actually be able to stick around for the whole thing  :yes:
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: EatThePath on September 05, 2021, 06:45:51 pm
The Trimurti stream was very excellent, props to both RMJ and Asteroth for the great show.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on September 12, 2021, 12:32:13 am
Now I sleep. Tomorrow, I shroud light.

Apologies in advance for hoarseness. Been busy on the microphone this week.  ;)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colonol Dekker on September 12, 2021, 01:03:56 pm
Lemon juice and whisky is good for a sore throat if you're a us drill instructor.   Port (fortified red wine) is exemplary for healing hoarseness as proven by centuries of British army drill instructors.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on September 12, 2021, 02:17:04 pm
I had failed to mention this on stream, but I have 0 vocal training or voice acting experience, formal or otherwise, so doing that for too long hurts my throat. I'll take your advice and get myself some port. Not really a whisky guy.

Holy crap, we had 16 concurrent viewers this stream! Thanks for your support guys. Please keep coming out and tell your friends so we can grow. :P
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on September 15, 2021, 12:51:47 am
Trimurti stamps. Will work on the 1st STL ones hopefully before this weekend
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0:00:00 - Waiting Room
0:09:54 - Pre-Stream Banter
0:16:03 - Mission #1: God Does Not Play Dice
0:33:53 - Mission #2: No Rest for the Wicked
1:01:22 - Mission #3: Demons in the Darkness
1:16:57 - Joe's assimilation to the chain begins to take hold
1:18:06 - Mission #4: Eve of the Storm
1:52:34 - Mission #5: Evangelist
2:02:35 - Mission #6: Doomsday
2:14:21 - Mission #7: Eschaton (AKA Joe hates freighters)
3:06:08 - Mission #8: False Hope
3:34:50 - Mission #9: Last Hope
3:42:31 - Mission #10: The Great Escape
4:02:35 - Mission #11: Good Luck
4:08:02 - Mission #12: The End
4:13:00 - Man...
4:17:27 - Ending cutscene
4:20:34 - Post-Stream Banter
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: starlord on September 16, 2021, 02:35:50 pm
Hi redmagejoe, thanks for the streams.

Just remember that one campaign that maybe hasn’t been mentioned before: mantle.

I believe it’s the only one so far where you fly as a HOL pilot.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on September 17, 2021, 01:36:59 am
I'll definitely take a look into it when my schedule isn't beating my ass.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: spart_n on September 17, 2021, 08:41:03 am
the problem with mantle is that despite being one of the more kino and atmospheric heavy campaigns, especially in its representation of the HoL, there is a crippling amount of technical issues to even get it running. i think it'll make for a good stream ala trimurti that you shouldn't immediately write it off, but you're gonna have to do some work when that time comes
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on September 17, 2021, 11:28:34 am
We'll cross that bridge when the time comes. Also...

https://www.moddb.com/mods/memories-of-the-great-war-omnibus/news/memories-of-the-great-war-featured-on-illfatedgamingtv
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on September 17, 2021, 08:02:27 pm
Earlier I gave my opinions as to which campaigns I've played that were above average in terms of difficulty.  Here are the ones I think are easier than average (that's not to say there isn't sometimes the occasional hard mission...just that the campaign overall feels easier than average) in no particular order:

Eagle Takes Flight
The Destiny Of Peace
Warzone
Derelict


The other campaigns I generally consider to be in the middle somewhere to varying degrees.


Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: spart_n on September 18, 2021, 09:57:59 am
check the first page, CT.

>Series Resurrecta after Shrouding the Light
oh man
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: 0rph3u5 on September 19, 2021, 02:55:08 am
Finally managed to catch up with the parts I missed last Sunday.

A few things:
- The problem that main form of character interaction is "bickering" is hurting the campaign a lot; moreso that it is actually constructed backwards as a prequel story - meaning that there is a lot of conflict created the resolution of which is an already known quantity. Depicting the growing pains from "14 years of space trench warfare" to "space NATO" is a commendable idea, and I think it is has been taken up better elsewhere - e.g. BtA - but these campaigns are still a bit far and few in between.

- I don't remember a mention that this is one of the first (chronologically) campaign - to my knowledge - that didn't have a terran player-avatar; that is still something quite rare in community. I know it is quite a challenging task, simply because added pressure of making Vasudans feel alien enough.

- There is something with Shrouding the Light that I see as a "designer", and that is the absense of all the noise. What I have come to hate about the FS2 era is just how much stuff is going on - which is fine if you are deliberately going for situation where the player is supposed to be overwhelmed at first and then dig themselves out. While StL has a lot of these situations where your availible for force seems to be insufficent (possibly an overcorrection for the guardianed wingmen), but the ammount of stuff going is actually quite manageable.

On that last point remind me to send you a copy of Walking on Ashes at some point - if you really want to see overwhelming looks like; it is all the worst inclinations you have seen in the Memories of the Great War dialed up to eleven.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on September 20, 2021, 12:15:00 am
Stamps for both parts of STL so far!

When catching up with today's stream, the video abruptly ended a couple mins after starting the 4th mission of Origins. Will next week start with that mission again? Whoops. Just saw your comment on the video. :P

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0:00:00 - Waiting Room
0:09:07 - Pre-Stream Banter
0:16:44 - Cutscene 1
0:19:49 - Mission #1: The Parry
0:33:00 - Mission #2: Striking Back
0:52:28 - Mission #3: A Stalking Horse
0:53:01 - Roc in the Rocks
1:08:15 - Cutscene 2
1:10:32 - Mission #4: Intruder
1:35:26 - Mission #5: Distraction
2:03:24 - Mission #6: Provocation
2:19:13 - Mission #7: The Great Hunt
2:32:23 - The Great Bonk
2:45:27 - Mission #8: Investment
3:15:00 - Mission #9: In Name Only
3:49:51 - Cutscene 3
3:52:13 - Mission #10: The Light Revealed
4:17:13 - Post-Stream Banter



0:00:00 - Waiting Room
0:08:58 - Pre-Stream Banter
0:13:35 - Mission #11: Salvage
0:31:51 - Mission #12: Siege
1:19:33 - Cutscene 4
1:21:19 - Mission #13: Dividends
1:56:59 - Mission #14: Heart of the Beast
2:28:48 - Mission #15: The Hammer Falls
3:05:32 - Cutscene 5

Shrouding the Light: Origins

3:09:22 - Cutscene 1
3:10:48 - Mission #1: Footprints
3:28:33 - Mission #2: We Are Not Alone
3:36:23 - Mission #3: Execution
3:49:56 - Cutscene 2
3:51:07 - Mission #4: Preparations (Incomplete)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: CT27 on September 20, 2021, 07:55:05 pm
check the first page, CT.

>Series Resurrecta after Shrouding the Light
oh man

I checked the first page, what should I be looking for?  Or was the SR-STL line meant for me too? 

If you're saying what I think you're saying...I agree.  The SR campaigns are a tangible jump in difficulty from the STL campaigns (while I didn't put the STL campaigns in my "easy" campaigns list...I would say they're on the 'easier' side of the middle ground spectrum...IMO.)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: starlord on September 26, 2021, 02:52:23 pm
Seen the stream. Quite nice, so thanks for that.

If you are looking for FS1 timeline mini campaigns in the future to complete a stream, I would recommend eagle takes flight and crucible.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on September 27, 2021, 02:28:18 am
Alas, I can't find any good 16:9 banner for Series Resurrecta for the YouTube thumbnail. Don't suppose anyone can fashion one?

Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on October 03, 2021, 02:03:06 pm
Since the Demon one is already used for the Single Missions stream, here's the Typhon shot.  :)

Spart_n also took some nice shots. I'll post those below the Typhon image.

(Some rescaling might be necessary: Spart_n's are 1366x768 while the Typhon is 2560x1080)
I rescaled them to 1920x1080. The first one is a non-rescaled one where I just cut out a bit of the right side.

(http://imgur.com/k4qRa0A.png)
(http://imgur.com/AXiGjPq.png)
(http://imgur.com/gB4geFf.png)
(http://imgur.com/n3qlpjX.png)
(http://imgur.com/2gWBlto.png)
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on October 03, 2021, 02:27:01 pm
We hit 100 subscribers! You guys are awesome! :P I'll have to give you a proper reward via me screaming like a little ***** playing Amnesia this week.

Thanks for the awesome screens. I'm going to use that last one Colt posted for Series Resurrecta. EDIT: Oops, YouTube won't let me use those because they're larger than 2 meg...

I see that FSO has an update, FreeSpace Port MVPs, FreeSpace MVPs, and Between the Ashes all have updates. I'm hesitant to potentially break my stuff, so I might have to bother Mito to see if the mods are compatible with these before I proceed with updates.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on October 04, 2021, 04:34:22 am
Is there a reason the new FSPort MVPs aren't using Mixael's MainHalls? I noticed when I booted up the latest FSPort MVP, I had the default MainHalls. Upon investigating the Modify settings in Knossos, I saw that MainHalls was not included as a dependency.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: EatThePath on October 04, 2021, 06:32:16 am
I see that FSO has an update, FreeSpace Port MVPs, FreeSpace MVPs, and Between the Ashes all have updates. I'm hesitant to potentially break my stuff, so I might have to bother Mito to see if the mods are compatible with these before I proceed with updates.

Generally speaking mods *should* only load these newer assets and versions once they've been tested to be compatible, so if you download all the upgraded versions and play an older mod that's not compatible Knossos should load the older versions and all should be well.

But I admit, 'should' doesn't always mean 'will'...

As for the port MVPs, there's some shifts in how the MVPs and mainhalls interconnect after the lsat method caused some problems, and I think the main and port mvps are still figuring out exactly how to adapt to that best
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Goober5000 on October 04, 2021, 08:04:26 am
Is there a reason the new FSPort MVPs aren't using Mixael's MainHalls? I noticed when I booted up the latest FSPort MVP, I had the default MainHalls. Upon investigating the Modify settings in Knossos, I saw that MainHalls was not included as a dependency.

This is due to the way the main halls are now configured in the MVPs.  It is now necessary to manually select a mainhalls package for every mod that previously used the main halls automatically, even for mods that themselves weren't changed but still want to use MVPs 4.5.

This was done to avoid making the main halls a required download for everybody, but it now has the side effect of adding an extra step for every mod.  I made the same mistake on FSPort MVPs 4.3, but I figured out a configuration trick that made things more user-friendly on FSPort MVPs 4.4.

I am in the process of updating FSPort MVPs (and the mods that I uploaded which use FSPort MVPs) to account for this.  There is an open request for the MediaVPs to use the configuration trick on the 4.6 MVP release.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on October 09, 2021, 06:50:47 pm
Work has absolutely been kicking my ass, but I managed to get some personal projects done and I'll try to find time to go back and time stamp my stuff. I know I'm getting a little behind and I can keep taking Colt for granted. :P

I hope you guys are looking forward to tomorrow's stream.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on October 10, 2021, 05:38:32 pm
Series Resurrecta seems to have serious memory hog problems. Even with 16gb of RAM this thing's crashing when trying to load missions telling me it ran out of memory.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on October 12, 2021, 12:55:48 am
Also if you guys could be so awesome as to post in this thread any pertinent updates on mods (on or off my playthrough timeline), FreeSpace Open, MVPs, or anything else so I can give a proper shout-out and plug things HLP is currently working on during the pre-stream banter, that would be awesome. I'd like to try to use what little exposure my tiny-ass channel can give to better showcase what this great community is working on.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Darius on October 12, 2021, 04:31:39 am
Well it was touched upon in the last stream but if you haven't yet cast your eye on Solaris, let me direct you to the release thread (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=97833.0).

Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on October 12, 2021, 12:03:01 pm
Bit late is an understatement.  :nervous:

Below are the stamps for the last part of StL: Origins and the first part of SR. Gonna post the 2nd SR stream stamps in an hour or so.

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********** Shrouding the Light: Origins **********
0:00:00 - Waiting Room
0:08:53 - Pre-Stream Banter
0:12:35 - Mission #4: Preparations
0:27:50 - Mission #5: Circles Within Circles
0:46:26 - Mission #6: At the Gates (of Joe's patience)
1:29:12 - Blamed for a crime he didn't commit
1:39:31 - Cutscene 3
1:41:18 - Mission #7: End of the Beginning
2:03:01 - Mission #8: An Exercise in Futility
2:22:00 - Mission #9: Deliverance (Stay with convoy)
2:37:17 - Mission #9: Deliverance (Stay with Khem)
********** Burning Heaven **********
3:02:18 - Nope
********** Series Resurrecta: Gehenna's Gate (Sneak peak) **********
3:06:59 - Fiction 1
3:09:24 - Mission #1: Chasing Megalodon
3:38:13 - Post-Stream Banter


********** Series Resurrecta: Gehenna's Gate **********
0:00:00 - Waiting Room
0:09:40 - Pre-Stream Banter
0:15:49 - Fiction 1
0:18:26 - Mission #1: Chasing Megalodon
0:46:39 - Fiction 2
0:48:49 - Mission #2: A Renewed Threat
1:16:28 - Peeking the Tech Room
1:19:15 - Fiction 3
1:21:20 - Mission #3: Eye of the Cyclone
1:42:08 - Fiction 4
1:45:24 - Mission #4: Venturing inside the Tomb
2:15:03 - Fiction 5
2:18:46 - Mission #5: Doomtrains of Salem (EMP HELL)
2:59:01 - Fiction 6
3:01:36 - Mission #6: Raise Thy Sword (Incomplete)
3:58:23 - Post-Stream Banter
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on October 12, 2021, 12:28:32 pm
Look forward to a very special stream on October 31st. :P

Save the date!
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Iain Baker on October 12, 2021, 01:25:03 pm
If you want to try a VERY difficult campaign I highly recommend bem cavalgar. It’s short and uses an interesting choose your mission mechanic where your performance in one mission will impact the next due to resource scarcity. It is set around the fall of Vasuda prime and it basically turns FS into something akin to a semi-open world survival horror simulator. The combat is also brutal because the shivans behave… differently from what you might expect. Enjoy 😉
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on October 12, 2021, 01:25:31 pm
Must be something spooky :warp:

Sunday's stamps
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********** Series Resurrecta: Gehenna's Gate **********
0:00:00 - Waiting Room
0:08:40 - Pre-Stream Banter
0:13:33 - Fiction 6
0:14:07 - Mission #6: Raise Thy Sword
1:06:22 - Rip streamlabs
1:08:40 - Fiction 7
1:11:04 - Mission #7: Lasciate ogne speranza
2:05:46 - GET OUT THE WAY
2:06:20 - Fiction 8
2:09:01 - Mission #8: ...Voi ch'intrate
********** Series Resurrecta: Spirit of Ptah **********
2:38:36 - Fiction 1
2:40:18 - Mission #1: Attack from Nowhere
3:22:45 - Fiction 2
3:25:07 - Mission #2: A Weakened Giant (Incomplete)
4:12:35 - Post-Stream Banter
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mito [PL] on October 14, 2021, 04:10:28 pm
Are we playing Universal Truth 2 on that stream?
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Mongoose on October 14, 2021, 07:35:22 pm
I can't think of much scarier than Second Great War Part II.  :nervous:
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on October 16, 2021, 06:54:45 pm
Look forward to tomorrow's stream! And no, sadly, it's not something spooky I'll be doing on the 31st. I will be talking about it tomorrow during pre-stream banter, and I'm very excited to share.
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Colt on October 19, 2021, 08:35:59 pm
Stamps  :p

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0:00:00 - Waiting Room
0:13:20 - Pre-Stream Banter
0:18:21 - Special announcement for Oct.31st stream
0:24:08 - Mission #2: A Weakened Giant
1:09:18 - Fiction 3
1:11:34 - Mission #3: Possente Ftha, Immenso Ftha
2:06:58 - Fiction 4
2:09:45 - Mission #4: Mask of a Fanatic
3:17:30 - Fiction 5
3:21:50 - Mission #5: More than a Prophecy
4:20:40 - Fiction 6
4:20:43 - Mission #6: The Glory of Memphis
5:03:28 - Post-Stream Banter
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Nyctaeus on October 19, 2021, 10:36:21 pm
Gosh, I missed another one due to various irl activities. Ehh...

Time to release third SR campaign for the streams I won't miss :]
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: redmagejoe on October 21, 2021, 03:31:57 pm
I've got a bounty out on the timestamp from the last stream for the Sneeze of Justice.

Also Nyc, hope you can make it to the next stream. And despite my *****ing, I hope you know that I loved the story you guys were trying to tell. I just strongly disliked the last few missions of Ptah from a gameplay perspective.  :blah:
Title: Re: Props to Passionate Community + Shameless Stream Plugging
Post by: Iain Baker on October 21, 2021, 03:42:45 pm
You are not wrong, they could do with rebalancing. They are also in dire need of checkpoints. These are high priorities for the next big update. I can’t say when that will be released as it’s still a work-in-progress and it’s on ‘it will be done when it’s done’ time, but rest assured stuff is happening behind the scenes, so watch this space 👍