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Offline Kosh

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Valve ditching PS3
on: August 14, 2009, 07:11:52 pm
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    Keighley: Are you guys working on PlayStation 3 here now, trying to understand it, trying to get better at it?

    Gabe: Uh, no. Not in any real way.



Given what I've heard about how hard it is to code for the PS3, I'm not surprised.
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Re: Valve ditching PS3
Reply #1 on: August 14, 2009, 08:48:40 pm
That was on Spike last night, good on them.
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Re: Valve ditching PS3
Reply #2 on: August 14, 2009, 09:06:16 pm
thats why the sega saturn failed, nobody knew how to code for multiprocessing systems, which is what all modern consoles seem to be.
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Re: Valve ditching PS3
Reply #3 on: August 15, 2009, 12:32:09 am
And yet the XBox 360 still lives... :wtf:
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Re: Valve ditching PS3
Reply #4 on: August 15, 2009, 01:05:55 am
The Xbox 360 has DirectX. Furthermore, you can use XNA on it. the PS3 on the other hand has a weird ass cell processor that took a physics grad student to effectively utilize.
 

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Re: Valve ditching PS3
Reply #5 on: August 15, 2009, 01:56:37 am
Quote from: Androgeos Exeunt on August 15, 2009, 12:32:09 am
And yet the XBox 360 still lives... :wtf:
Xbox 360 is the easiest console to develop a game on. It has well known and standardized DirectX API. Not to mention it makes PC ports much easier to do if they want to.
 

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Re: Valve ditching PS3
Reply #6 on: August 15, 2009, 02:31:03 am
Quote from: blackhole on August 15, 2009, 01:05:55 am
The Xbox 360 has DirectX. Furthermore, you can use XNA on it. the PS3 on the other hand has a weird ass cell processor that took a physics grad student to effectively utilize.


The XBox 360 uses another wierd cpu called "Xenon" (another IBM chip), which according to wikipedia has at least some elements the Cell does, but it doesn't seem like a standard wintel platform. I guess it all comes down to the API, since DirectX is used in this and the PC.
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Re: Valve ditching PS3
Reply #7 on: August 15, 2009, 03:31:14 am
Xenon is not that weird, it is a PowerPC triple-core in-order CPU. The Cell on the other hand contains a PowerPC but adds additional features on the chip, such as eight SPU's. The Cell is more versatile as a CPU but also more difficult to code on.

It's too bad x86 instruction set has such a stranglehold in the computing industry, otherwise PC's could use more ideal RISC architechtures (like PowerPC) instead of the monolithic CISC, aka x86.
 

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Re: Valve ditching PS3
Reply #8 on: August 15, 2009, 04:35:22 am
Correct me if I'm wrong, but considering how bloated the x86 instruction sets have gotten wouldn't it become necessary sooner or later to either drop ancient instructions that aren't used or scrap x86 all together?


Either way we can thank wintel for said stranglehold, but to be fair the Itanium IMO their intended method of dumping it, too bad it didn't catch on.
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Re: Valve ditching PS3
Reply #9 on: August 16, 2009, 12:37:01 am
no, the reason that x86 is so bloated is because they need to maintain backward compatibility, if they lose that than they lose the one thing that guarantees them market dominance.
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Re: Valve ditching PS3
Reply #10 on: August 16, 2009, 01:14:40 am
Quote from: Nuke on August 14, 2009, 09:06:16 pm
thats why the sega saturn failed, nobody knew how to code for multiprocessing systems, which is what all modern consoles seem to be.

there marketting didn't help
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Re: Valve ditching PS3
Reply #11 on: August 16, 2009, 03:01:46 am
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the PS3 on the other hand has a weird ass cell processor that took a physics grad student to effectively utilize.

At least the newer games in development are now actually utilizing this cell

Example would be Uncharted 2
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Offline Kosh

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Re: Valve ditching PS3
Reply #12 on: August 17, 2009, 10:41:16 pm
Quote from: Bobboau on August 16, 2009, 12:37:01 am
no, the reason that x86 is so bloated is because they need to maintain backward compatibility, if they lose that than they lose the one thing that guarantees them market dominance.

Yes, but the problem is there's only so much space on a processor die, especially with lower power embedded chips like the Atom it really does become a problem.
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Re: Valve ditching PS3
Reply #13 on: August 18, 2009, 02:52:04 pm
The processors for the ps3 and Xbox 360 were developed by the same team at the same time.  IIRC the processors aren't that different,

Edit: Its hard to tell which one is better, if either.
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Re: Valve ditching PS3
Reply #14 on: August 18, 2009, 03:01:29 pm
Mm, dunno about that.

Ironically the PS3 graphics card is less powerful than that of the 360, so saying one is better than the other is an iffy proposition.
 

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Re: Valve ditching PS3
Reply #15 on: August 19, 2009, 11:48:40 am
Quote from: BS403 on August 18, 2009, 02:52:04 pm
The processors for the ps3 and Xbox 360 were developed by the same team at the same time.  IIRC the processors aren't that different,  The ps3 one is just more powerful and harder to fully utilize.

I don't know how much of this is still true (it's ~3 years old now) then the Cell would be more powerfull, if it wasn't broken.
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Re: Valve ditching PS3
Reply #16 on: August 19, 2009, 02:09:26 pm
Something interesting I just read.  The Xbox 360 has about a 50% failure rate and about a 40% rate for  a second failure.  The ps3 has a 10% and the Wii has a 6% failure rate.  I never would have thought it would be that high for the 360. 
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Re: Valve ditching PS3
Reply #17 on: August 19, 2009, 02:17:02 pm
You just saw that on Kotaku, right? Well if not, we were discussing an article from there last night on IRC saying the same thing (50% failure of 360s), and their source is a poll by GameInformer, which probably isn't the most accurate population sample...
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Re: Valve ditching PS3
Reply #18 on: August 19, 2009, 02:21:22 pm
The Xbox probably pushes its hardware harder too.
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Re: Valve ditching PS3
Reply #19 on: August 19, 2009, 04:45:05 pm
Last I checked, it wasn't the system itself that pushes it's hardware, but the games produced for it
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