[ShadowGorrath]

The Androgeos ( BP and PI, the one with 3 tentacles ) is a carrier. The strongest ship will be a juggernaut. And there will be only 1. And the Shivan strongest weapon will be the SSL beam cannon.

[Droid803]

I would add thruster glows to the Androgeos Akrotiri though (between the three tentacles, like in the Malia).
What are you using for the Juggernaut?

[ShadowGorrath]

The Ancient juggernaut from INFR1. Forgot the name. And the tentacles are the rear of the ship.

[blowfish]

The Adrogenos?  That ugly thing?   Even though it is supposed to be a carrier, the Akrotiri makes a fine juggernaut, IMO (it was used that way in PI).

[Droid803]

Wait, the Akrotiri is the thing in BP and PI...right? The one with the big eye on the bottom, three long tentacles at the back?

[blowfish]

Yes.

[ShadowGorrath]

Then it's the Androgeos. It will be seen only once. It's supposed to be like the Colossus- symbol of power, flagship, heroic. Plot device. Etc. The carriers will be more common though.

[Snail]

Mobius, your entire argument is absolutely nothing because it is directly contradicted by canon. You can post a thousand reasons why they have a giant army of superjuggernauts, but they are completely pointless since they are contradictory to canon. Good day.

[Droid803]

Mobius, your entire argument is absolutely nothing because it is directly contradicted by canon. You can post a thousand reasons why they have a giant army of superjuggernauts, but they are completely pointless since they are contradictory to canon. Good day.

Plus, it would be stupid story-wise...

[Snail]

I think they do have a large fleet (larger than the GTVA anyway), but they don't have any superjuggernauts. And their large ships would be relatively ineffective too.


BTW, Shadow, what are you calling the Ancients? They wouldn't call themselves Ancients IMO.

[Droid803]

Nor would they call the Shivans the Shivans.
Their religions are probably different

However, the screenshots show AD Crown shooting at SD Harbinger (not a missile)... so... 

[ShadowGorrath]

Why shouldn't they be called Ancients and Shivans? Unless you want the text to be in the Ancient language too? 

[Droid803]

  Assume translated???

[Jeff Vader]

Aye, but something other than Ancients and Shivans would be appropriate. And for starters, during the cutscenes, the Ancient narrator often referred to the Shivans as "Destroyers". Would that suffice?

Also, do the Ancients even need a name for their race? It should be relatively easy to circumvent it in the dialogue and such.

[Droid803]

I think it would even be easier to just say everything's translated except names.
You could just make up complete gibberish for ship names and species names. Complete creative freedom.

[ShadowGorrath]

And that way, Droid803, you just answered why the Ancients can be called Ancients, and the Shivans called as Shivans. Besides, I'm bad at making normal names... Plus, it is more FSish like this.

Destroyer Destroyer Demon ?
Destroyer Super Destroyer Lucifer ? Pfft...

[Droid803]

DSD Reficul
DD Nomed
 

Actually, those don't sound too bad. (aside from the fact that they're not creative at all)

[ShadowGorrath]

The backward Lucifer Reficul and the backward Demon don't sound too bad. Except that 'Nomeda' is a lithuanian female name... Still, I'd prefered if the naming of the factions and etc remain the same. It just doesn't seem right to have the Ancients or Shivans named differently. Of course, in missions, they can be called the Great Destroyers, or etc, as well as simply Shivans.

[terran_emperor]

Personally, i think an entirly different nomeclature should be used to make the campaign seem more alien

I dont know maybe the anicients used names from norse mythology
Asgard
Ragnarok - ancient homeworld
Midgard
Heimdal
Odin
Wotan
Loki - a cruiser
Great Serpent
Fenrir - that juggernaught/carrier

While the Shiivans use Japanese mythology names...
ie the Shivans are refered to as the Orochi
and use names like
Amaterasu - Sathanas
Izanagi - Lucifer
Isanami - Vina
Yokai - Demon
Kitsune - Lilith
Tengu - Moloch
Tanuki - Cain
Kappa - Rakshassa
Oni - Ravana

[Droid803]

While the Shiivans use Japanese mythology names...
ie the Shivans are refered to as the Orochi
and use names like
Amaterasu - Sathanas
Izanagi - Lucifer
Isanami - Vina
Yokai - Demon
Kitsune - Lilith
Tengu - Moloch
Tanuki - Cain
Kappa - Rakshassa
Oni - Ravana

May I ask, what's a Vina?