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Title: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: General Battuta on June 18, 2015, 04:12:54 pm
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September 2015

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“A beautiful, perfectly formed crystal of a novel…” — John Chu

“…an amazing epic fantasy…I consider it an instant classic.” — Tiemen Zwaan

Baru Cormorant wants to understand the world.

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“An extraordinary debut—powerful, complex, and passionate.” — Kij Johnson

“Storytelling that succeeds on both an epic and a powerfully intimate scale…” —Sunny Moraine

Her mother Pinion knows the hunt and the stars. Her father Solit knows the smithy and the telescope. Her father Salm knows how to kill, and why no one ever should. She loves them more than anything. She loves her home, island Taranoke, the warm place at the center of the world.

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“Smart. Brutal. Gut-wrenching. You’ll be captivated from the very first page. Dickinson is a sly, masterful writer who pulls no punches. Get ready to have your heart ripped out through your throat.” — Kameron Hurley

“…a poet’s Dune, a brutal tale of empire, rebellion, fealty, and high finance that moves like a rocket and burns twice as hot. The Traitor Baru Cormorant is a mic drop for epic fantasy.”   —Max Gladstone

Tomorrow, on the beach, Baru will look up from the sand and see red sails on the horizon.

The Masquerade is coming. Armed with coin and ink, doctrine and compass, soap and lies. Their secrets are the secrets of empire and Baru will claim them at any cost. She’ll join the Masquerade. She’ll prove herself a savant at the exercise of power. She’ll be exactly what they need.

Will it hurt? Certainly. Will it ask too much of her? Of course. But she’ll complete her work: finding a way to the top. She’ll do it for her home. Her family. Her freedom.

Baru knows she can save her world. All she needs is a little more power to do it.



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Chapter 1 (http://www.tor.com/2015/05/26/excerpt-the-traitor-baru-cormorant-seth-dickinson/) — Tor.com preview
Chapter 2 (http://www.tor.com/2015/05/27/excerpt-the-traitor-baru-cormorant-chapter-2-seth-dickinson/) — Tor.com preview
Chapter 3 (http://www.barnesandnoble.com/blog/sci-fi-fantasy/afternoon-reading-chapter-3-of-the-traitor-baru-cormorant-by-seth-dickinson/) — Barnes & Noble preview



Baru’s World
Quote from: Handbook of Manumission
People need things. Water and shelter. Cloth and sewer. A chance to heal, a story to tell, a dream to realize. A law that puts tomorrow’s weakest above the powers of today.

People build society to meet those needs. Civilizations brick themselves out of the floodplain and sweep down off the high west steppe. In turn they have needs of their own. Stability. Deterrence. Record-keeping, revolt-breaking, a plan for the next drought, an answer to the shapes in the dark and the mutineers in the slum.  They grapple with the world a while and then they fall apart.

A time of hope. A time of prosperity. A mistake! A setback! A chain of collapses. Again and again.

The cycle has to end. The civilization game can be solved. Together we propose a solution.

Civilization thrives on the Ashen Sea.

Sail south and harbor in Oriati Mbo: four great nations bound together by philosophy and history, singing the story of a millennium of joyful change. Sail west to nameless lands where the Tu Maia once ruled, the wave of their expansion broken now, their story still alive in the epics of their dandelion-scattered descendants. Sail north to Aurdwynn, land of olive and redwood, wolf and Duke, where the Tu Maia met the pale Stakhieczi masons in a crash of cavalry and phalanx. That story has a few shapes, depending who you ask.

Or you might stay home, on Taranoke, a little bit southwest of the middle of everything. There’s a warm wind on the beach, and kelp to gather. You can burn the kelp for ash. You can make the ash into glass. If you had a nice telescope, you could watch the stars. There must be stories up there.

Of course, you might sail east, over the burnt hulks and seared bones of Oriati fleets. Sail east to Falcrest, the Antler and the Qualm, Old King Poison. Have you heard the news? The old dynasty is ended. Something young and eager rises from the blood of kings. In Falcrest they say —

Civilization clings to the Ashen Sea. Civilization isn’t a story. It’s a fragile, desperate thing, a machine of erratic and tenuous make. And when it falls again, as fall it will, the cost will be appalling.

So we have come to repair it.



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Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Phantom Hoover on June 18, 2015, 04:31:57 pm
i preordered baru cormorant and i now have a promising civil service post, would recommend
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: StarSlayer on June 18, 2015, 05:00:23 pm
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Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: AdmiralRalwood on June 18, 2015, 05:02:07 pm
give up political power for cosmopolitan trade and a great climate! nothing bad will happen
this sounds like a foolproof plan, sign me up
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Phantom Hoover on June 18, 2015, 05:40:48 pm
i'd like to buy some telescopes, i'll pay in notes
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Aesaar on June 18, 2015, 06:30:05 pm
The hygienic way to pay.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Mongoose on June 18, 2015, 06:48:14 pm
Allow me to couple my hype to the hypetrain!
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: MP-Ryan on June 18, 2015, 09:06:22 pm
Damnit Batts, I HATE preorders, but for you I'll do it.  Soonish.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Veers on June 22, 2015, 01:04:41 am
I'm just being picky about the Cover Art work... I'd have to buy both if I saw the option.

Pre-ordered, all aboard the hype train!
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: T-Man on June 22, 2015, 04:04:54 am
Already pre-ordered at town's Waterstones. Am quite looking forward gotta say; still remember that sample you gave us a few months back and I was hooked to it from that alone. :yes:
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Mikes on June 22, 2015, 07:28:28 am
Preordereded :-)
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: X3N0-Life-Form on June 22, 2015, 08:37:24 am
Not sure whether I want it as a hard cover or an e-book yet.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: The E on June 22, 2015, 08:46:14 am
Well, the hardcover selling out is a strong signal for Tor that they made the right decision to back Tutta.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Cyborg17 on June 22, 2015, 05:51:41 pm
Wow! :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:

I'll have to grab the ebook when I have money!
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: General Battuta on June 24, 2015, 09:09:35 am
"In this intense political thriller, Dickinson plays a game of deception that thwarts readers' expectations and, more importantly, goes for the gut." (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ilana-teitelbaum/debut-epic-fantasies-to-look-out-for-in-2015_b_7639624.html) The Huffington Post is hype. Are you hype?
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Vrets on June 24, 2015, 08:43:00 pm
If you keep promoting this then I will buy a copy for the sole purpose of writing a 100 page scathing review. The first 50 pages alone will be focused on pretentious semicolons.

The synopsis is interesting; mercifully, you seem to have gone with only "The Traitor" on the book jacket. That was a wise move.

I haven't read a book since 1995, though.

edit: my work has followed me home in the form of I CAN'T STOP EDITING MY POSTS
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: General Battuta on June 24, 2015, 08:53:31 pm
The semicolons are decently under control but — oh man, brah, you won't BELIEVE it — the emdashes are just out of control.

It's THE TRAITOR in the UK but THE TRAITOR BARU CORMORANT in the US (because that's more kickass).
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Phantom Hoover on June 24, 2015, 09:45:56 pm
i have repeatedly tried to find 'THE TRAITOR' on uk amazon and consistently drawn a blank

i should have a shot at this publishing thing, surely i can't be worse at it than the people who decided on that
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Vrets on June 24, 2015, 10:39:52 pm
I checked the (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Traitor-Baru-Cormorant-Seth-Dickinson/dp/0765380722/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1435203560&sr=1-1&keywords=the+traitor+baru+cormorant) listings (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Traitor-Seth-Dickinson-ebook/dp/B00UXKIZZO/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1435203560&sr=1-2&keywords=the+traitor+baru+cormorant); but yeah, I don't see pre-order option for hardcover.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Scourge of Ages on June 25, 2015, 12:45:26 am
"The Traitor" is bad SEO
"Baru Cormorant" is best SEO

Yes, I'll buy the book.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Beskargam on June 25, 2015, 09:06:54 pm
Heh, I passed along your short stories to most of my friends in college. They loved em. We're all keenly interested in getting your book when it comes out.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: SypheDMar on June 29, 2015, 12:04:04 am
If I don't get a chance to pre-order it, I'll buy it. Is there a preferred site that you recommend? I know I'm definitely going for hardcover.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: General Battuta on July 01, 2015, 09:23:47 am
Powell's! They're a really cool independent bookstore in Portland, OR.

Preorders are really important for a book's success, sadly enough. And since books sell so many fewer copies than games, your preorders make a bigger difference!

Here's Book Riot on this HEARTBREAKING and AMAZING novel

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The Traitor Baru Cormorant by Seth Dickinson

This book was on my radar for sometime, but it wasn’t until I finally got my hands on a copy and dove headfirst into the rich, bittersweet world, that I realized what a gift it is. The novel starts on the island of Taranoke, where young Baru Cormorant stands on the beach with her mother and two fathers as ships with red sails begin to pull into the harbor. The Empire of Masks has arrived and with them, they bring new math, star charts, tools, food, weapons, and support for the people of Taranoke. They also bring plague, rigid education, new metrics for “hygienic living,” and cultural/hereditary taxonomy and control. Their velvet-gloved hand begins to slowly choke Taranoke, and it’s only when Baru is already enrolled in one of the schools, kept from home, and one of her fathers goes missing that she sees the Empire for what they are: conquerors.

But Baru knows that the best weapons are knowledge, information, and strategy. She vows to save her home, by rising high in the ranks of the Empire of Masks, enough take it down from the inside. And so, at eighteen, she is sent as Imperial Accountant to the unforgiving cold of Audrwynn, a country to the north under control of the Empire; it is fractured and proud, and in need of an imperial hand to stave off rebellion. But smart as she is, Baru is young, and finds that she may have wandered right into a pack of wolves. But if she is save her country, her family, she’ll need to outpace the wolves around her, and prove her worth to the Empire.

This book is a brutal treasure in every way. Baru is one of the most complicated, best-written characters I’ve read in some time, who must balance agenda against agenda against personal feelings against everything at stake; she wears dozens of masks, switching so effortlessly at times, my head was spinning trying to keep track of them all (but in a good way). She is a fully realized, queer woman of color with agency and power, and is an amazing breath of fresh air in a genre that is getting better with representation, but still has a long way to go. The world she lives in is beautiful and heart-breaking, a mixture of Guns, Germs, and Steel and epic fantasy; there are hints of the supernatural in this secondary world, but for the most part, Dickinson focuses on the political maneuvering, character development, economics, warfare, and emotional arcs. His sentence-level prose is delicious, tightly focused, and he never treats the reader as anything less than capable and intelligent. Every page draws you in closer, until the end, when he delivers one of the most shattering and fling-across-the-room-y twists in a book I’ve ever read. I could go on, but I’ll just say: please, please, please read this heartbreaking, amazing novel. — Martin Cahill
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: jg18 on July 17, 2015, 02:46:16 am
Just preordered my copy in Kindle format. There are accessible versions of the Kindle app for Windows and iOS devices so I should be able to listen to it through text-to-speech.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Luis Dias on July 17, 2015, 04:47:56 am
Hey, if you actually give me the correct "sides" of the book, I'll correct my new book cluster parametric object in Archicad :D

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Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Aesaar on July 18, 2015, 02:41:35 pm
Battuta I'm overloading on hype.  You might say I'm being drowned by hype.  Maybe even tidally so.

(In that the hype recedes and then returns whenever the word Baru appears)
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Mongoose on July 18, 2015, 03:08:05 pm
I was gonna have my brother get me a copy for my birthday, but then I remembered that it won't be released for a couple months.  Not sure if hype can be contained for that long.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: General Battuta on July 18, 2015, 09:35:23 pm
Preorder! It'll help me make my week 1 sales look good. (**** preorders but it's all in the game)
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Phantom Hoover on July 19, 2015, 04:08:18 pm
to be fair i have absolute confidence that my preordered copy of baru cormorant will function properly when it arrives
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: General Battuta on August 27, 2015, 11:24:42 am
Your heroes are all morons. Luke? Totally naive. Ellen Ripley? You should be fighting the real enemy. Frodo? USE THE ****ING RING

Sounds like they need some advice from Baru Cormorant, via Tor.com!

How Baru Cormorant Would Overthrow Emperor Palpatine, Kill Voldemort, and Stop Sauron (http://www.tor.com/2015/08/27/how-baru-cormorant-would-overthrow-emperor-palpatine-kill-voldemort-and-stop-sauron/)
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: The E on August 27, 2015, 11:38:49 am
I have taken the liberty to un**** your link there.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: StarSlayer on August 27, 2015, 12:47:59 pm
Just checked my preorder release date and looks like it will be arriving just in time for my birthday.

Thanks for the present Batts :D
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Luis Dias on August 27, 2015, 01:29:54 pm
Humm, so according to you, Frodo actually followed Baru's advice to the letter!
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Axem on August 27, 2015, 01:31:03 pm
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Dear Baru,

I am an Admiral who is constantly freaked out by these unknowable space demons who took away my home. I want to make sure my people are safe for the future, but all I have are some ancient tablets and a horde of racist sheep that are ready to sell out our only ally.

What should I do?

-AHB
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Mongoose on August 27, 2015, 05:21:03 pm
You name-dropped Sabriel and that makes me exceedingly happy.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: General Battuta on August 27, 2015, 06:26:17 pm
You name-dropped Sabriel and that makes me exceedingly happy.

It's one of my favorite books (sequels inclusive, prequel not).

If y'all looking for good books, I recommend The Library on Mount Char and (for Starslayer and E in particular, but anyone who's interested in the collision of Lovecraftian occult and real-world espionage) the fantastic Declare by Tim Powers, which posits a secret Cold War race to survive and secure the entity on Mount Ararat.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: AdmiralRalwood on August 27, 2015, 06:37:40 pm
You name-dropped Sabriel and that makes me exceedingly happy.

It's one of my favorite books (sequels inclusive, prequel not).
Very :yes: to both of these posts.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Phantom Hoover on August 27, 2015, 06:52:05 pm
Frodo? USE THE ****ING RING

man i don't want to get all nerdy here but what good is turning locally invisible and completely blowing your cover with the enemy going to do
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: General Battuta on August 27, 2015, 07:06:29 pm
Power according to your stature, it's not all Frodo
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Phantom Hoover on August 27, 2015, 07:08:38 pm
and risk compromising your core leadership?? blackbird village would be appalled
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: GhylTarvoke on August 27, 2015, 07:41:53 pm
If y'all looking for good books, I recommend The Library on Mount Char and (for Starslayer and E in particular, but anyone who's interested in the collision of Lovecraftian occult and real-world espionage) the fantastic Declare by Tim Powers, which posits a secret Cold War race to survive and secure the entity on Mount Ararat.

Ooh, haven't read Declare - making a note of that. I recommend The Anubis Gates, also by Powers. It's my favorite time-travel story ever.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: StarSlayer on August 27, 2015, 09:34:58 pm
You name-dropped Sabriel and that makes me exceedingly happy.

It's one of my favorite books (sequels inclusive, prequel not).

If y'all looking for good books, I recommend The Library on Mount Char and (for Starslayer and E in particular, but anyone who's interested in the collision of Lovecraftian occult and real-world espionage) the fantastic Declare by Tim Powers, which posits a secret Cold War race to survive and secure the entity on Mount Ararat.

Thanks for the heads up.  I'll put them in the queue, they sound a little like A Colder War?
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: General Battuta on August 27, 2015, 10:47:48 pm
Declare is, yes.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: The E on August 28, 2015, 12:27:22 pm
You name-dropped Sabriel and that makes me exceedingly happy.

It's one of my favorite books (sequels inclusive, prequel not).

If y'all looking for good books, I recommend The Library on Mount Char and (for Starslayer and E in particular, but anyone who's interested in the collision of Lovecraftian occult and real-world espionage) the fantastic Declare by Tim Powers, which posits a secret Cold War race to survive and secure the entity on Mount Ararat.

Started with Library at Mount Char. It's real good (and quite ****ed up). Declare has been on my to-read list ever since Stross started the Laundry series, just have to get around to it.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: General Battuta on September 10, 2015, 12:19:25 pm
I'm doing a Reddit AMA today (https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/3kfc9d/hey_im_seth_dickinson_author_of_the_traitor_baru/). Come say hi!

And just for you here's a random chunk of the book

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Two days from the mouth of the Inirein, two days before the arranged time, she woke in the night to bells. Fought her way up onto deck through swarming marines and shouting crew to see:

Distant fireworks. The arc of rocket flares falling into the sea. Sharp sunrise flash as Scylpetaire, in the middle distance, fired two more. Light on the water like a drowned moon.

And a pair of ships pinned in the glare, their lateen sails taut, straining. Oriati-pattern dromon galleys. Bannerless.

Two raiders closing from astern, riding the weather gage.

Maybe they’d thought to slip into the formation and take one of the transports in silence. More likely they’d sighted one of the transports and one of the escorts, and — thinking that the tax ships would sail one by one, as insurance against a devastating early storm — they’d assumed the escort was out of position, and made an attempt.
Scylpetaire had caught them.

Fireworks popped above Scylpetaire, then Sulane, red, blue, white white white: signals passed to the flagship, orders relayed on to the rest. Baru watched in anxious fascination while Mannerslate’s captain brayed for calm and a steady course.

The Navy frigates made dark avian forms in the night. Scylpetaire shadowing the raiders as they turned off, cutting sails to go against the wind. Day-bright for an instant as she launched volleys of flares to keep the raiders in sight.

And then Welterjoy’s sails caught the aurora light, running full on the wind, crashing through the wavefronts as she raced to intercept. She sailed dark, trusting Scylpetaire’s flares and Sulane’s signals to guide her in. Baru, engrossed and exhilarated, lost in the mechanics of wind and chase, pointed and called to the crew. They shouted to each other in the rigging, excited. Only the marines kept their silence.

Light kindled at Welterjoy’s prow. Two white rockets leapt forward like exocet fish. The wind grasped them and smashed them into the water astern of the fleeing raiders.

“They’ll have the deflection now, your Excellence,” Purity Cartone murmured. Baru leapt in surprise.

Welterjoy fired again: eight rockets at a more confident angle. One of the fat steel tubes tangled in the lead raider’s rigging and, after an instant of furious incandescent sputtering, popped into a shower of grease fire.

The raider’s rigging and deck began to burn. Whatever the crew tried as an answer only spread the inferno. The mainsails and the masts burst into sheets of fire. Baru watched, not horrified, thrilled on some fundamental level to witness at last the Navy Burn, the Masquerade’s chemical edge. The wind carried the smell: acrid, ferociously artificial, a cremation of linen and hemp and flesh.

When Welterjoy had finished with the other raider (the fire burned even when wet, spread across the water, a less gentle aurora) a string of fireworks went up from Sulane. “No aid to survivors,” Purity Cartone read, eyes gleaming with reflected starburst. “Resume formation. Convoy proceeds.”
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Phantom Hoover on September 10, 2015, 02:47:45 pm
the fires are the best
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Dragon on September 10, 2015, 03:10:15 pm
Are your books being translated (to Polish, in particular)? I'd love to buy them, but buying a paper book in the US, with dollars and having it shipped over the ocean ends up being a bit pricey (not to mention takes too bloody long). I'd like to know, is any of them available for local purchase with my worthless Polish money? :) This here is certainly a good read, but it might be a while till I get an e-book reader for myself.

Also, just an aside, are you familiar with Marek S. Huberath? A great, if obscure Polish SF writer. This fragment made me think of one of his stories.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: StarSlayer on September 14, 2015, 07:16:15 am
Woke up this morning...

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Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Phantom Hoover on September 14, 2015, 08:47:51 am
TEN ****ING DAYS
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: General Battuta on September 14, 2015, 09:43:25 am
Are your books being translated (to Polish, in particular)? I'd love to buy them, but buying a paper book in the US, with dollars and having it shipped over the ocean ends up being a bit pricey (not to mention takes too bloody long). I'd like to know, is any of them available for local purchase with my worthless Polish money? :) This here is certainly a good read, but it might be a while till I get an e-book reader for myself.

I haven't sold any translation rights yet, sorry :(

TEN ****ING DAYS

Just one day if you're in the US! woop woop
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Axem on September 14, 2015, 10:42:23 am
Canadian mail system is ahead of the curve.  :cool:

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Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: AdmiralRalwood on September 14, 2015, 04:45:48 pm
Canadian mail system is ahead of the curve.  :cool:
Even though I live in the US and Amazon said it would be delivered tomorrow, it came today! Perhaps your Canadian mail system has rubbed off on my state.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Hellstryker on September 15, 2015, 12:13:03 am
Hasn't shipped at all yet for me, amazon says 6-7 more days D:
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Phantom Hoover on September 15, 2015, 07:37:44 am
Welcome to my world!
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: StarSlayer on September 15, 2015, 05:17:02 pm
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Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Phantom Hoover on September 15, 2015, 08:47:32 pm
i hate you
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: General Battuta on September 16, 2015, 09:55:38 pm
I've got a story up on Tor.com today, (http://www.tor.com/2015/09/16/please-undo-this-hurt-seth-dickinson/) Please Undo This Hurt.

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“Just imagine a hypothetical. Imagine you’re right about everything—the universe is a hard place. To live you have to risk a lot of hurt.” You’re going to wonder how I came up with the rest of this, and all I can offer is fatigue, terror, maggots in my air vents, the memory of broken skulls on sidewalks: a kind of stress psychosis. Or the other explanation, of course. “Imagine that our last chance to be really good is revoked at the instant of our conception.”

He follows along with good humor and a kind of adorable narcissism that I’m so engaged with his cosmic bull**** and (under it all) an awakening sense that something’s off, askew. “Okay . . .”

The twin red suns multiply our shadows around us. I drift a little ways above myself on the wine, and it makes it easier to go on, to imagine or transmit this: “What if something out there knew a secret—”

A secret! Such a secret, a secret you might hear in the wind that passes between the libraries of jade teeth that wait in an empty city burnt stark by a high blue star that never leaves the zenith, a secret that tumbles down on you like a fall of maggots from a white place behind everything, where a pale immensity circles on the silent wind.

”What if there were a way out? Like a phone number you could call, a person you could talk to, kind of a hotline, and you’d say, oh, I’m a smart, depressed, compassionate person, I’m tired of the great lie that it’s possible to do more good than harm, I’m tired of my Twitter feed telling me the world’s basically a car full of kindergartners crumpling up in a trash compactor. I don’t want to be complicit any more. I want out. Not suicide, no, that’d just hurt people. I want something better. And they’d say, sure, man, we have your mercy here, we can do that. We can make it so you never were.”
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: The E on September 17, 2015, 02:39:34 am
That story was deeply unsettling to me. It cuts a little too close to what my thoughts look like during depressive phases to be comfortable reading; it is definitely a story I will recommend, but probably never ever reread.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Phantom Hoover on September 17, 2015, 05:21:45 am
filed under 'not touching with a bargepole'
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: General Battuta on September 17, 2015, 10:24:43 am
Yeah it's cosmic depression horror so if you want to dodge that maybe give it a pass.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Mongoose on September 17, 2015, 06:13:38 pm
I haven't made time for that yet (and maybe I'm better off sitting it out too), but I did get related-linked to your discussion with Max Gladstone, whom I wasn't familiar with before but seems like an awesome guy.  The article about the blurbs he sent in for you was really fun.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Hellstryker on September 18, 2015, 12:04:31 pm
I received my copy this morning. Fifty pages in and it was hell to tear myself away. I am the polar opposite of disappoint and will write a more in depth review once I have the time. A++ job, Seth.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Goober5000 on September 18, 2015, 05:23:09 pm
I've got a story up on Tor.com today, (http://www.tor.com/2015/09/16/please-undo-this-hurt-seth-dickinson/) Please Undo This Hurt.

I wasn't really pulled in by the first 95% of that story, but the last part of it was a fascinating concept.  Sort of like "The Monkey's Paw" or "Button, Button" but going in a different direction.  I think you could get more mileage out of that.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: LordMelvin on September 19, 2015, 01:35:05 am
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8FBnqmS98oY/TvG_Wtf4tDI/AAAAAAAAZOQ/LNDME5xAnVE/s1600/patton-mag-bastd.jpg)

                                                   ^
                                          The first half of



and God DAMN, but this is everything I haven't even known I wanted in my low fantasy, for years and years.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: SypheDMar on September 19, 2015, 10:13:37 am
Just got my copy!
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Beskargam on September 23, 2015, 06:15:47 pm
That story was deeply unsettling to me. It cuts a little too close to what my thoughts look like during depressive phases to be comfortable reading; it is definitely a story I will recommend, but probably never ever reread.

So I am/was very interested to read this. But I'm currently battling with my own demons, and not necessarily winning. Is this something I should save for when I'm in a better place?
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: AdmiralRalwood on September 23, 2015, 06:21:46 pm
That story was deeply unsettling to me. It cuts a little too close to what my thoughts look like during depressive phases to be comfortable reading; it is definitely a story I will recommend, but probably never ever reread.

So I am/was very interested to read this. But I'm currently battling with my own demons, and not necessarily winning. Is this something I should save for when I'm in a better place?
Just to be clear, that was about the short story "Please Undo This Hurt" linked near the end of page 3, and not about the novel The Traitor Baru Cormorant (although the latter is also very emotional).
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Beskargam on September 23, 2015, 06:49:06 pm
Oops missed that. Question still stands for the book itself then.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Veers on September 23, 2015, 10:23:45 pm
Just got mine today! Fortunately today is my day off so plenty of reading time.

Now I just have to join to line to get it signed. :D
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: The E on September 24, 2015, 02:11:04 am
Oops missed that. Question still stands for the book itself then.

The first lines of the book you read will be "This is the truth. You will know because it hurts." Baru Cormorant is also a very emotionally engaging story and there is a lot of pain and suffering for the heroine to endure, but it's not going to be the gut punch that Please Undo This Hurt is.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Mikes on September 26, 2015, 02:49:35 pm
Just got my hardcover delivered, but saving it for when work is a bit less stressful and I can properly sit down and get lost in it. :-)
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: General Battuta on September 27, 2015, 10:42:07 am
Lotta cool people on IRC wanting to talk about this book but afraid of spoiling others. This thread has spoiler tags!

Feed my writer momentum, :justpost:
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Phantom Hoover on September 27, 2015, 11:50:29 am
how the hell do you pronounce 'lyxaxu'
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: General Battuta on September 27, 2015, 12:26:28 pm
X is Sh in Urun
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Phantom Hoover on September 27, 2015, 01:06:09 pm
When Baru describes the ykari as gods and Unuxekome corrects her, what's her actual referent for the concept of 'gods'? Which cultures in the Baruniverse have conventionally religious beliefs?
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: SypheDMar on September 27, 2015, 01:17:27 pm
Hey, Baru Cormorant is on NPR!


http://www.npr.org/2015/09/27/437287631/baru-cormorant-will-catch-you-unawares
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: watsisname on September 27, 2015, 01:44:32 pm
Late to the party, but just ordered your book. :)  Gonna keep away from this thread for a while now lest I get SPOILERZ
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Mars on September 27, 2015, 02:04:06 pm
Just ordered your book. Looks fantastic.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Phantom Hoover on September 27, 2015, 02:07:58 pm
i'm on page 355 which by my count gives you 32 pages to ruin everything, i look forward to seeing you rise to the challenge
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: IronBeer on September 29, 2015, 10:34:52 pm
i'm on page 355 which by my count gives you 32 pages to ruin everything, i look forward to seeing you rise to the challenge
Yes, he (battuta) does. You will not be disappointed and may want to throw the book/ereader across the room.
Spoiler:
Ha. Ha. I'm still being vague.

Ok, I'll be the first to admit that I may not have finished the book in the best of mindsets. Wee hours of the morning, forced awake by whiny (and thankfully false) smoke alarm noises, and generally too-wound-up and too-tired.

All the same, I was MAJORLY caught off-guard by the ending. There was normally some subtle signposting to big twists at earlier points, and I may simply have missed them, but goddamn. That was a brutal triple-cross.

Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: General Battuta on October 02, 2015, 11:21:46 am
When Baru describes the ykari as gods and Unuxekome corrects her, what's her actual referent for the concept of 'gods'? Which cultures in the Baruniverse have conventionally religious beliefs?

Taranoke does have caldera gods, who are sort of sleeping water-fire animist figures who once were active in the world but have delegated moral responsibility to people.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Phantom Hoover on October 02, 2015, 04:00:05 pm
Ah, that makes a lot of sense. I honestly can't remember if it was mentioned in the Taranoke chapters, though.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: General Battuta on October 03, 2015, 11:17:23 am
I don't think so. Comes up later, iirc.

BARU KREW if you have finished the book and want to dig into its mysteries I am running a very in-depth author's commentary. (http://www.sethdickinson.com/2015/10/03/the-traitor-baru-cormorant-read-along-chapter-3/) I worry it'll be too definitive, and kill discussion, but **** it. Check it out!
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: LordMelvin on October 06, 2015, 12:59:51 am
... so from a link via a link at a link from that link to your website, I see you're going to be at my favorite bookstore here in VT on the 17 18th. So, uh, I'll try to make it to that.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: StarSlayer on October 12, 2015, 02:44:09 pm
So last week was my Octobercation and I took the opportunity to dive into this work.
(http://www.starthrower.org/images/stock_video/marine%20birds/cormorant%20U-W%2003s.jpg) 

Spoiler:
I found it a very enjoyable read, Batt's has crafted an interesting world and characters that I hope are relished with future attention.

His use of language is superlative, smooth and delicious like the Kingkiller Chronicles, and one of the few literary works in recent memory that managed to utilize words not in my vocabulary.  On a side note, as a student of the sword proper terminology for the guards always deserves kudos.  I do wonder how punchy the ending would have been if I hadn't read the original short story and got to approach it cold.  Given my foreknowledge of the ending I was half expecting experience similar to Joe Abercrombie's work, however, while the story was indeed tragic, Baru's character remained fundamentally sympathetic and the narrative did not reach the utter grimness of The First Law Trilogy.  By the end of novel I could still root for the protagonist and was invested in what would occur in the future.  I personally preferred it this way since by the time I wrapped up Last Argument of Kings the series was deftly crafted misery. 

The Empire of Masks was in and of itself a very interesting concept.  In a world of roughly Renaissance Era technology, a society leveraging an advanced understanding of economics, psychology, conditioning, and eugenics as it primary weapon set was terrible to behold.  It's almost like someone went back in time and handed Habsburg Spain the keys to sociopath Ubuntu.  Given how many literary empires rely on their grim implacable legions, the Masquerade's doctrine is very innovative and frightening.  Seriously how scary and **** awesome were the brief forays into the Cold Cellar?  I very much would like to learn more about Falcrest and its interactions with the Necessary King and the murky darkness across the ocean.  This is a unique setting and some serious fodder for future tales.

If there was one thing I might have preferred was a little more of Tain Hu and her relationship with Baru.  Granted the proscriptions on tribadism may have factored in their interactions but Baru's camaraderie with Murie Lo in some ways felt more fleshed out than with Tain Hu.  I don't know, perhaps my knowledge of the outcome unintentionally colored my reading but I really wanted to be more invested in their relationship as I approached its inevitable conclusion so that the knife twisted that much harder.   

Still that's a minor personal quibble in an otherwise fantastic first outing.  I've enjoyed all Batt's short story works so far and Traitor Baru definitely proves in my mind he can make splendid use of the additional breadth of a full length novel.  I sincerely hope it gets the recognition it deserves and Batt's the go ahead for future novel projects.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: General Battuta on October 19, 2015, 06:43:18 pm
Really glad you liked it! And thank you again and again to the multiple cool HLP people who turned out at various stops on my bookstore. It was awesome to meet you.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: jg18 on September 07, 2016, 02:49:53 am
:bump:

A book club I'm in has selected The Traitor Baru Cormorant as its book to read in January 2017. :)

The book club at Strut, a health/wellness resource center for gay/bi/trans men in the Castro (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castro_District,_San_Francisco), focuses on books with LGBT themes.

(A little late I admit, but I joined the club only a few months ago and they just voted on the next five books to read.)
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: NGTM-1R on September 07, 2016, 11:00:34 pm
My Kindle tried to sell me a copy of Battutanovel.

I think it is safe to say it has arrived.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Rodo on September 08, 2016, 03:57:40 pm
Could not possibly find it anywhere here around Arg, bought it yesterday from the internessss.
Anticipating a good read and that nostalgic feeling that I got from reading other good books in the past :D

Now just waiting to see it in the hands of the mailman.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: mjn.mixael on September 12, 2016, 08:10:55 pm
Hmm, somehow I missed this. Purchased complete.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Dilmah G on October 01, 2016, 10:42:19 pm
Purchased, also convinced a gal on my floor in barracks to get around it as well. Well done on infiltrating the Australian Army!
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Luis Dias on January 19, 2018, 12:08:37 pm
Traditionally being late to the party, I finally bought it and am finally reading it! Still at page ~80.

Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: TrashMan on January 30, 2018, 07:26:16 am
The Huffington Post is hype. Are you hype?

I recall the last time I was hype. It was terrible.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Grizzly on January 30, 2018, 08:54:05 am
SEQUEL WHEN?
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: The E on January 30, 2018, 09:25:41 am
October 30th, 2018 (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35485447-the-monster-baru-cormorant)

If you want to do Battuta a solid (and you should), preorder that book. Preorders are massively important in the book world.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: MP-Ryan on January 30, 2018, 02:38:36 pm
****, I still have not read the original.  Alright, as soon as I finish Persepolis Rising, I'm putting it next on the list.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: StarSlayer on January 30, 2018, 02:44:44 pm
****, I still have not read the original.  Alright, as soon as I finish Persepolis Rising, I'm putting it next on the list.

To the Cold Cellar with you!
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Luis Dias on January 31, 2018, 02:47:33 am
Nearing the end.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Grizzly on January 31, 2018, 03:24:17 am
October 30th, 2018 (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35485447-the-monster-baru-cormorant)

If you want to do Battuta a solid (and you should), preorder that book. Preorders are massively important in the book world.

Not yet available for pre order in the Netherlands but I'll keep an eye out :)
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Mikes on February 01, 2018, 03:55:53 pm
October 30th, 2018 (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35485447-the-monster-baru-cormorant)

If you want to do Battuta a solid (and you should), preorder that book. Preorders are massively important in the book world.

Preordered.  :)
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Luis Dias on February 02, 2018, 02:47:35 am
Finished it. I'll have a few words about it, but first I'm gonna check out what Battuta and others have discussed already about it.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Luis Dias on February 02, 2018, 11:44:05 am
Quick complaint though, the map was really bad looking. It seems it's meant to be drawn by Baru herself, but still. It's the one piece of art in the whole book and it's boring, square and lacking in any good looks. Despite the reason mentioned, is there any good reason for this to be so?
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: General Battuta on February 03, 2018, 02:51:55 pm
Uh, I dunno. My partner did it based on my mspaint outline and gave it to Tor to spruce up and they added some new fonts and a couple little village icons. Next map is probably just gonna be her.

Aurdwynn is supposed to be more or less a game board.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Luis Dias on February 05, 2018, 03:52:04 am
Ah that makes sense. The drawing quality was all over the place, village "icons" being very detailed, mountains designed childlike, boundaries drawn in a vector based app, etc. What made me frown was, probably, the lack of in-world consistency: the map seems like drawn from Baru with her own commentaries on the various dukes, but at the same time, the fonts are obviously printed in in-world impossible jet printers (and so is the smooth sea).

Even if it becomes rougher and cruder, a hand drawn map of Aurdwynn could almost become an in-world item designed by Baru herself while travelling to this new territory while on her boat, the notes added later. Even if ignored by the book and "not confirmed" by the author as such, it would at least be an interesting thing. As it is, it's just weird, cognitive dissonant stuff.

But I'm diggressing too much on an almost irrelevant detail.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: X3N0-Life-Form on February 05, 2018, 04:01:42 am
... I'll admit don't even remember there was a map :nervous: (which is weird because I tend to love it when authors include a map). That didn't deter my enjoyment of the story, I'm looking forward to the sequel :).
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: General Battuta on February 05, 2018, 11:28:12 am
The map in book 1 is real good
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Mikes on February 06, 2018, 02:51:50 pm
The map in book 1 is real good

Mh the map certainly did not diminish my enjoyment.

My main complaint with the book is much worse: It ended. And the sequel isn't done yet!

Kindly, time and circumstances permitting, could you fix that Battuta, please? :)
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: StarSlayer on February 16, 2018, 11:23:08 am
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Thank you, your order has been placed.

Estimated delivery: Oct. 30, 2018 (the day it's released)

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Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: The E on February 19, 2018, 12:17:34 pm
(https://www.barnesandnoble.com/blog/sci-fi-fantasy/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2018/02/MonsterBaru.jpg)
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Grizzly on February 23, 2018, 06:45:19 am
That cover is really good.

Spoiler:
I like in particular how Baru's hemilateral neglect is on show here (and yes I had to look that back up Batutta)
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: MP-Ryan on March 27, 2018, 12:51:34 pm
So, finally read it (the first one).  Remarkable work, batts - really excellent writing, pacing, and plot.  I enjoyed it throughout.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: General Battuta on March 31, 2018, 03:08:31 pm
So, finally read it (the first one).  Remarkable work, batts - really excellent writing, pacing, and plot.  I enjoyed it throughout.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Veers on May 10, 2018, 06:28:18 am
I think I pre-ordered Traitor through Amazon, I've ordered Monster through Barnes&Noble. Not sure if it matters which retailer though.

But so excited for this, so excited!
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Turambar on May 10, 2018, 01:22:34 pm
Was in a physical bookstore (Quail Ridge book store in Raleigh) and found a copy of Traitor.  I look forward to reading it.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: TechnoD11 on October 23, 2018, 11:44:56 pm
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Necro time! Worth it for this though.

Just preordered and looking forward to release of book 2. October 30th!
Also Battuta not sure if you had a hand in this:
Quote from: Amazon Webpage for the Masquerade Series
At the Publisher's request, this title is being sold without Digital Rights Management Software (DRM) applied.
if so, Thanks!!
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Vidmaster on October 24, 2018, 08:00:01 am
Super looking forward to it, I have placed my import pre-order (I am in Germany).

Regarding the map topic by the way: Did you know that the translated German version of the book comes with a much "nicer", more detailed map? Someone redrew the whole thing, obviously loosing the idea of Baru scrabbling the thing quickly in the process. Battuta, I would be interested to know how much you (if at all) were involved in bringing the book to different countries. Know anyone of the translators? I know you gave an interview to the German translator, since I have read that at some point.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Asteroth on October 24, 2018, 11:53:33 pm
Regarding the map topic by the way: Did you know that the translated German version of the book comes with a much "nicer", more detailed map?
I'd love to see this, if possible.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Vidmaster on October 28, 2018, 02:34:05 pm
I will make a scan.

EDIT: Here it is, to the limits of my decade-old scanner and bending my beautiful German edition of Baru 1 too much  ;)

(https://up.picr.de/34196073kb.jpg)

Colors pop better in real life. To repeat again, I was really surprised to find this version of the map, after reading the british release first. Which, for reasons unknown, is actually called only "The Traitor". No idea if they will call the second book "The Monster" then...     I have decided to gift my British copy to a friend and have ordered the American editions of Baru 1 and 2. Gotta fit much nicer into my extensive physical book collection.

British books...    smell  :doubt:. Was even worse 20 years ago. Paper and printing quality for novels was always high in Germany, something I learned to value after first contact with foreign releases.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Goober5000 on October 28, 2018, 07:32:00 pm
Which, for reasons unknown, is actually called only "The Traitor". No idea if they will call the second book "The Monster" then...

Is the third book going to be called The Demon Baru Cormorant?

Or perhaps a subversion of expectations.  The Savior Baru Cormorant?
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Grizzly on October 29, 2018, 03:59:15 am
The Functioning Adult Baru Cormorant
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: General Battuta on October 30, 2018, 11:09:31 am
It's out boyeeeees

(https://images.macmillan.com/folio-assets/macmillan_us_frontbookcovers_1000H/9780765380746.jpg) (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B078X294FQ/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1)

Click the huge face to buy!
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Nightmare on October 30, 2018, 11:56:49 am
It's out boyeeeees

Congrats man! :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: StarSlayer on October 30, 2018, 01:42:16 pm
Look what just came in the Post...

(http://i64.tinypic.com/24ltoh2.jpg)

...and its got a nice map

(https://media.giphy.com/media/rzQvQChS9yzPq/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Mongoose on October 30, 2018, 09:26:49 pm
Woooooo :yes:
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: jg18 on October 31, 2018, 01:35:49 am
Ooh, I'll have to get a Kindle copy. I got Book 1 for Kindle a while back but uh didn't quite get to read it :nervous: sadly it's not on Bookshare (accessible digital library for people with print disabilities) so I'll have to read it on my phone's Kindle app with the iOS screen reader (VoiceOver) whose voice is kind of :ick: but it'll do.

One question before I can add Book 1 to the top of my reading queue: How much disturbing content is in the book? I like to listen to books at the gym while on the elliptical but after listening to the end of The Making of the Atomic Bomb which described the minutes/hours after Little Boy exploded over Hiroshima, I couldn't sleep that night, so I made the rule of no listening to highly disturbing material at the gym.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Mongoose on November 01, 2018, 09:50:37 am
Order the book and a cart-topper to hit free shipping, it shows up 36 hours later. Who needs Prime?
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Grizzly on November 01, 2018, 10:09:56 am
Got the book!
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: General Battuta on November 02, 2018, 03:06:13 pm
Ooh, I'll have to get a Kindle copy. I got Book 1 for Kindle a while back but uh didn't quite get to read it :nervous: sadly it's not on Bookshare (accessible digital library for people with print disabilities) so I'll have to read it on my phone's Kindle app with the iOS screen reader (VoiceOver) whose voice is kind of :ick: but it'll do.

One question before I can add Book 1 to the top of my reading queue: How much disturbing content is in the book? I like to listen to books at the gym while on the elliptical but after listening to the end of The Making of the Atomic Bomb which described the minutes/hours after Little Boy exploded over Hiroshima, I couldn't sleep that night, so I made the rule of no listening to highly disturbing material at the gym.

There's some fairly disturbing stuff, I'd stay off it before bedtime.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Grizzly on November 02, 2018, 04:23:10 pm
I can't sleep anyway so I just read it in bed :D

Thus far only a few chapters in, and it's thus far exactly what I expected from it: Baru is an amazing character and it's simply a joy to read whatever she does, says or thinks next. It's also a book that I personally can't just read casually like I'd read, say, a Bernard Cromwell novel simply by virtue of how engaging it is in both beautiful and horrible ways.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Veers on November 08, 2018, 01:22:10 am
I just unboxed it a few minutes ago, tempted to tell me boss to stick it so I can read tomorrow.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Asteroth on November 13, 2018, 06:47:49 am
Battuta! It might be a much to ask you to go back and finish it for the first book, but you should at least do another author's commentary for the second book, and do the whole book this time! I really really really enjoyed reading it.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: The E on November 13, 2018, 03:55:06 pm
Finished the book yesterday. I'll try to keep this spoiler-free, but we'll see how that goes.

The Traitor Baru Cormorant opened with a simple, yet devastating statement: This is the truth - You will know because it hurts.
The Monster Baru Cormorant opens with a similarly simple, yet devastating counter: If something hurts, does that make it true?

Right off the bat (hah), let me make a simple statement myself: These rank in the top 3 book openings I know of (right behind "The sky was the color of a television tuned to a dead channel" and "The Moon blew up, with no warning and no apparent reason", bonus points for anyone who knows where those came from). They perfectly encapsulate the books they're attached to; Traitor puts Baru through a lot of torment (most of it seemingly self-inflicted), in Monster, Baru is forced to deal with the fallout of her previous actions, as well as the creeping realization that a lot of her fundamental truths may not be so true.

But, plot. In the aftermath of the failed revolution Baru orchestrated, she was elevated to the rank of Cryptarch of the Falcrest Imperial Republic. Now part of the power behind the throne, she is sent on a mission, together with her two best frenemies, to root out the Cancrioth, the rumoured power behind the throne of the Oriati Mbo (Falcrest's greatest rival amongst the nations of the Ashen Sea).
But since this is the Baruniverse, nothing is ever simple. Baru's machinations during the Aurdwynn uprising come to haunt her: Both figuratively, in the form of a deep depression over having to disavow and kill her lover Tain Hu and about betraying everyone who ever trusted her, and literally, in the form of Tain Hu's cousin Tain Shir.
Tain Shir, it has to be said, is terrifying. She was, once upon a time, a protege of the same master Baru is serving, but fell from grace: Now, she is an instrument of revenge. Her presence in the book is similar to Anton Chigurh in No Country For Old Men: A force of nature that can't be reasoned with, can't be contained, only evaded (for a time).

During her mission, shenanigans are had, new allies are met, and alliances and power balances shift around. It is, as usual for Batts, an engaging and gripping read, but there's a few caveats I need to add here before finishing with effusive praise:
1. Monster, unlike Traitor, is not a standalone book. Not just in terms of it being a sequel, but also in terms of it ending on a sequel hook (Battuta just wrote too many ~words~ for this one, so this book had to be split up); this is not a dealbreaker for me, obviously, and loyalty to Batts compels me to ask you for forbearance from anyone for whom it might be: If you wait for the sequel to come out to buy both books, it's bad for the vital statistics driving Batts' income.
2. This book is, at times, an oppressive read. Not only does Baru's depression hit her hard, and us with it as we spend time in her head, but her ingenuity and resourcefulness as established in Traitor don't really get much screentime either. She has her moments, to be sure, but ... there could've been more of them for my liking, y'know?

That out of the way, effusive praise time: I love this book. By making it into a road trip, we get to see many more corners of the Baruniverse, much more of its cultures and their fascinating beliefs and practices. By having interludes from other character's POVs, we get a better picture of who Baru is, how she presents herself, and how she's seen by others, and each of the other POV characters is interesting in their own ways. As any good middle entry in a series, it leaves me both satisfied and intensely hungry for more.

TL;DR: Buy this. If only for the absolutely gorgeous cover.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Vidmaster on November 13, 2018, 07:39:00 pm
Got it today. I am sure I am going to love it :-) Review will follow.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Vidmaster on December 11, 2018, 08:23:18 pm
Finished it today. Debated if I should edit the first post but then decided against it. :roll eyes: Took way longer than anticipated since I decided to re-read the first novel (for the third time) again and that took longer due to real-life things.

Well, finished Monster about 4 hours ago and I thought I should write my review now, while its fresh but also while I had time to think about what I just finished.
TLDR, I am pretty torn on the book but I read it feverishly and that certainly counts for somethingg :) I am not going to keep it spoiler free but I will use spoiler tags for the actual review.

First, a few essential quotes from my forebearer:
If you wait for the sequel to come out to buy both books, it's bad for the vital statistics driving Batts' income.
Go buy the book now, its certainly worth it the asking price.
This book is, at times, an oppressive read. Not only does Baru's depression hit her hard, and us with it as we spend time in her head, but her ingenuity and resourcefulness as established in Traitor don't really get much screen time either. She has her moments, to be sure, but ... there could've been more of them for my liking, y'know?
By having interludes from other character's POVs, we get a better picture of who Baru is, how she presents herself, and how she's seen by others, and each of the other POV characters is interested in their own ways. As any good middle entry in a series, it leaves me both satisfied and intensely hungry for more.
I agree with both these general statements, and they are a good summary of what to expect if you read the first book.

Now, on to spoilers stuff:

Spoiler:
I went into this book knowing to expect something completely different. I thought: No more Aurdwynn and dukes, no more politics in that brilliant arena of his. Instead, new and larger challenges, a larger game, a mysterious force in the east towards the mother of storms or maybe even a look into Falcrest. And I got something completely different and I think it took me 50% of the book to get on board with what was going on. If you have not already guessed it, I am starting the review with the negative points, to get over them as quickly as I can. Let's talk plot details: Baru is now lifted into the elusive circle behind the throne, the minds behind all of it. Armed with supposedly incredible power, held only in check by her peers of the same station (or not quite, considering the ending of the first book), she is basically sent on a "fact-finding" or scouting mission with little to no actual intel that could very well be a fool's errand. I imagined Cryptarch's to be powerful manipulators, playing the games of politics, conquering islands posing as traders, intimidating and controlling Falcrest's seemingly perfect industrial and military machinery. Instead, they are sent on super-risky missions with vague objectives :nono:. I really took me a while to just accept that turn of events. Still, not completely over it to be fully honest, maybe its my fault reading it back-to-back. As stated, maybe we are talking about a misconception on my part here but I imagined the high-personal-risk mission type was sort of the big test. Monster even seems to support me in that notion somewhat, considering that extended sections of flashbacks contains sections of such missions that Baru's peers had to undertake to earn their station. In short, the whole going out on a ship adventure main plot was a though pill to swallow for me.

The other big negative thing was probably unavoidable. Since Monster is opening the world and expanding to new POV characters, it eliminates the razor-sharp focus of Traitor somewhat. Fully expecting that, it was certainly less of an issue for me and E's statement quoted above nicely summarizes the positives about it. I particularly liked the attempt of vastly different writing styles. With this expansion also comes a certain tendency to undermine motives of the first book, for instance Falcrest's perfectly functioning colonialist machinery. What was once a homogeneous, impersonal and utterly invincible navy now comes with mutineers and internal power struggles. A cabal of genius manipulators behind the throne are just people, some of which do not seem that gifted. As stated, this was inevitable and expected, and we are getting a lot of positives for it, but it was certainly something I loved in Traitor.

I could have done without that one Ormsment POV chapter, which did not add anything and did not feel special in any way. I get that Batista might have felt it was necessary as an attempt to better establish her motivations for what she is doing but since her whole motivation is a rather simple revenge thing (apparently, at least), I am sure that a different way could have been found. Maybe as another Lindon chapter, receiving more reports? Anyway, I always disliked one-shot POV's unless its some sort of prologue where the character is abducted, killed or whatever...

The good stuff: :)

The prose is, again, Battuta-brilliant. It will obviously be different from Traitor and that was already evident in that book's last chapter. Liked it a lot and it got me hooked, as usual. The words are, again, chosen carefully and adeptly and form a well-flowing text that draws the reader in.

The world building is excellent again, it almost never feels forced, interesting little and utterly unimportant details are mixed with larger, general ones and a sense of place and wonder is quickly instilled in the lands of the Ashen Sea. The sense of people and philosophy is nicely realized and I like how different most of it remains from the standard fantasy stuff. Aurdwynn and its dukes were medieval-like, a known quantity. Monster embraces the weird that was hinted at before and does so in a believable fashion, mixing at times seemingly contradictory things (like religiously caring for others while having an instituted form of mocking them as a way of spreading news) together into a really interesting cocktail. I loved it, with all its ambiguities and issues-that-are-no-issues and weird ideas. It is hard to describe to be honest and that is a very good thing. More POVs, as well as the ship traveling thing, obviously allows for a vast scope regarding these aspects.

I loved the Cancer-Cabal idea, the immortata. A disgustingly brilliant idea and in the book's acknowledgments, Batista makes it quite clear that my choice of adverb here might be in itself an issue. If it turned out to be nonsense, a desperate explanation of Falcrest's secret cabal incapable of understanding how something could endure without strong control, I would have been satisfied as well. But apparently, it is not ;7 so let's see where that goes.

The Farrier-process, although I am still not entirely sure what it is, sounds like a cool thing as well. Another angle of attack, another wall of questions on what has been engineered :nervous: for Baru. Liked how Aminata, Shir and others are basically part of it. The motive of Nietzsche's And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you, of Baru as a perfect tool of the Empire, is maintained in an unexpected and clever way. Obviously, repeating the steps of Traitor would be both boring and impossible and since Baru is a Monster now, that motive can be supported by "internal" means now. I liked it, both in the way Battuta played with the font and the eventual revelation.

Tain Hu's presence in the book remains strong, which was rather unexpected for me. I thought that most if it made sense and did not felt forced, both in Baru's supporters and Baru's internal struggles. Good job on balancing that. Found the end to be perfectly acceptable. While not ending anything related to Baru's personal arc, the whole book feels like a journey, an intermediate step, a setup anyway. And since that setup is now complete, it was fine to end it there :D.

The weird stuff:

I did not really get the Iraj-character to be fully honest but I suspect that is part of the plan. Does he actually like his lover? Probably, but I am not sure. More central, what are his hopes (we certainly know his fears) for the future, what does he truly wish for?

Tain Shir came out of the blue and, as the book makes it obvious to the reader, she does not. ;) Another thing that took me off guard, that is for sure. She has this other-wordly attitude and that is the point, another monster made by Farrier. I am sensing some interesting revelations for book 3 there.

The shift in Baru's expression of sexuality was a hard one. One of the things I loved in Traitor was how suppressed even the writing was on that subject, perfectly mirroring the character. All of that is gone, however Baru is obviously at a different point now. It is a known fact now to most of the people around her, and she feels somewhat safe. She had sex, she liked it. And, of course, she is utterly broken as a person, constantly drunk and on the verge of complete loss of control. In the end, this was never something that bothered me enough to be on the negative list, however I did want to mention it.

I had never read something like Traitor before, a book that I found so utterly perfect, a book that felt like it was written for me and had all the elements I liked in my stories and absolutely nothing else. Monster was not written for me. But so were many other great books I really like. Eagerly awaiting the next one  :nod:.

Well done.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Rhymes on December 16, 2018, 04:20:08 pm
Haven't had time for books in a while. Just as I got some time I saw the book in the airport bookstore. Starting it now--super hyped.
Title: Re: Baru Cormorant Infiltration Station
Post by: Grizzly on December 18, 2018, 06:14:29 pm
I finished reading it! I think I need to read it again. I would have liked a glossary, actually, like a scribbled notebook similar to the lovely map. That's probably just me though, I couldn't read the book as often and as concentrated as I'd liked.

Spoiler:
When Baru started chanting the little rhyme I dreaded something horrible was going to happen, well done that.
I had a few questions, and a lot of them are going to resolved in the next book, but there's a few things I was unclear on:
The Mbo society allows people to choose their own gender at a young age. Is there any leniency if they, after more sexual development has happened, decide that they mabye should be something else? Or does this never happen to begin with?
Cutting Tau-Indi from Trim: I get that the Cancrioth would rather remove themselves from Trim since, well, that would be even more destruction they'd leave in their wake if they didn't. But why cut Tau Indi from trim? Doesn't this do damage as Tau Indi is, above all else, a fundementally good person and Trim is lesser for his absence? What binds Tau Indi to the Cancrioth now, as they started off with doing something that to him is entirely horrible? Is cutting someone from Trim pernament?

I also particularely liked how the final chapters of the book made me question some of the fundementals I thought the baruverse was based on. Still couldn't sleep for hours after reading the ending too! Kept thinking about everything.

In short

It good.