[Droid803]

I find Seraphims easier to kill because the retail model has a glitched shield mesh and trebs can go right through the front quadrant of its shields and kill it.

[Woolie Wool]

The Basilisk, at least would be deadly with a human pilot flying it. The AI just doesn't know how to fly a Basilisk at all.

Well the Basilisk is slow and unmanueverable, even in the hands of a human pilot it is still cannon fodder for space superiority fighters and to some degree intercepters because it is too easily outmanuevered. They are hoowever major threats to freighter and cruisers, I suppose it could be thought of as the shivan equivelent of the Aries.

The Basilisk is not unmaneuverable. Its turn rates are superior to GTVA heavy assault fighters. It seems less maneuverable in the hands of the AI because the AI does not attempt to maneuver in it.

I do not see the Nep having light capship armor.

The Seraphim? Definitely. It takes almost as many hits as a cain class cruiser...

The Nephilim and Seraphim have the exact same armor/shield stats

Indeed, and the total damage required to kill one is much less than 1/10 or even 1/20 the hitpoints of a Cain. Even accounting for shield recharge, it should take a bit over 1000 damage to kill a Nephilim or Seraphim.

[Droid803]

Technically, if you fired at the bombers with a Maxim, it'd feel like it's taking as many hits as a Cain...but that's because maxims suck against heavy shielding, not because of "light capital" grade armor...

[Qent]

I'm pretty sure that "Light Capital" refers to armor plus all shield quadrants put together, not just one. But it's pointless to debate the sense of that without knowing whether the "Light Capital" description is Retail or SCP.

[Thaeris]

I'm pretty sure "Light Capital" was cited as being retail on the first page of this thread...

[Droid803]

I'm pretty sure "Light Capital" was cited as being retail on the first page of this thread...

Can anyone verify if the SCP really did add this "feature" before I revert the changes?

I don't know...

[Snail]

I am pretty sure "Light Capital" did not appear on any retail things.

[Aardwolf]

I am pretty sure "Light Capital" did not appear on any retail things.

We're talking about modded files, but the retail executable. Assuming this is a since-retail thing, it would have only appeared if you made a Shivan ship player-flyable.

[Qent]

Would that give it the same status as the Aeolus tech description? Or less?

[Droid803]

Less because you can't ctrl-shift-s it?
Or is that a FSO feature?

[Snail]

I am pretty sure "Light Capital" did not appear on any retail things.

We're talking about modded files, but the retail executable. Assuming this is a since-retail thing, it would have only appeared if you made a Shivan ship player-flyable.

It is not the retail executable because he used a .tbm.

[Aardwolf]

We're talking about modded files, but the retail executable. Assuming this is a since-retail thing, it would have only appeared if you made a Shivan ship player-flyable.

It is not the retail executable because he used a .tbm.

IRRELEVANT. Just because he did it with a non-retail .exe doesn't mean it's not a feature that's been there since retail. Unless someone runs retail and tries it, we won't know if this feature was around then. Although an SCP guy could also probably figure it out.

[Qent]

We're talking about modded files, but the retail executable. Assuming this is a since-retail thing, it would have only appeared if you made a Shivan ship player-flyable.

It is not the retail executable because he used a .tbm.

IRRELEVANT. Just because he did it with a non-retail .exe doesn't mean it's not a feature that's been there since retail.

That is exactly what's in question now.

[Aardwolf]

Ok, I'm asking the guys on #scp now.

[Snail]

We're talking about modded files, but the retail executable. Assuming this is a since-retail thing, it would have only appeared if you made a Shivan ship player-flyable.

It is not the retail executable because he used a .tbm.

IRRELEVANT. Just because he did it with a non-retail .exe doesn't mean it's not a feature that's been there since retail.

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS ASKING!!!!!

[Snail]

Alright, you have 3 days to prove these statistics were there since retail, then I am removing them.

[Commander Zane]

Well if they're not on the ship Table of Root, then wouldn't it not be a Retail feature?

[Snail]

Well if they're not on the ship Table of Root, then wouldn't it not be a Retail feature?

It is not in root. It is a hard-coded "feature" that is activated if you do not specify statistics in the fields..

[Commander Zane]

Why not confirm it yourself then?

[Snail]

Why not confirm it yourself then?

Because I don't have access to the Source Code. And even if I did I wouldn't know how to interpret it.