[StratComm]

There's one problem with the Starforge inherently and using it in freespace specifically.  I'll forgo the arguments over the feasability of such a device or where the resources come from, sure.  But there is still the problem of crew.  Manpower is not an infinite resource, and crewing 10k+ man warships that pop out at a near-infinite rate doesn't seem like something that humans can do in Star Wars, much less in the more realistic (Yeah, I know.  It's relative.) world of Freespace.  EU and canonality be damned, the comparison is moot because it is stupid.  End of story.

[Pnakotus]

The heat dissipation numbers are in watts.  The numbers are also consistent with things like 'blowing up planets' and the generally ludicrious powerlevels in SW.  Although it was from memory: the ships would need 10e18W  to survive more than a few seconds in combat with one another.  Since troop transports like Acclamator have 10e22W, I'd say Starforge is better.

Lets not forget that stellar plasma, while hot, is extremely diffuse and doesn't actually transfer heat very quickly.  Its a scifi brainbug that says stars are dangerous.

Stratcomm, however, is absolutely right.  It's just a stupid piece of stupid EU in a stupid game.  Lets all ignore it.

[FireCrack]

So that's total and not per square meter, thank god.

And heat dissapation isn't realy all that matters. What matters is a wall of material moving at relativistic speeds.


(nots the inconsistencies of ships surviving blasts from supposedly terawat lasers then dieng instantly when a small ship, with a kenetic enrgy of far less than .3 tJ)

[Pnakotus]

Because crashing into a 900km warship = killed by an Awing.  Wow, analysis. Not to mention that the shields were DOWN, thus making it a pretty stupid example of shield capability.

The relativistic nature of the shivan supernova - both occuring in seconds and propagating at least several AU in 20-30 seconds - would indeed be the only real threat to the station.

However, this isn't a vs thread, and I'm hijacking.  I reiterate: although deeply lame, the Starforge can almost certainly survive the detonation of the star it orbits.  Simply forming a wall with those silly ships it builds would increase it's defence, if that was even needed.  FS2 is pretty low in the scifi pecking order, as it should be as a non-wankfest 24th century setting.

On another note, why would anyone want to build Deimos corvettes with the starforge?  Are the ships in KOTOR seriously lame enough to warrant replacement with an FS2 ship?

[Ghost]

Deimos is awesome, so quiet.

And who's to say you couldn't pump out people along with the ships? Just a thought...

[phatosealpha]

Uh, if the starforge system went nova, the starforge is royal toast, simply because the thing is ludicrously close to the star.  We're not even talking mercury close, we're talking "Why, exactly, isn't that thing melting?" close - the ending of Kotor makes that pretty clear.  Blow up one stabilizer and the thing falls into the thing.

On the other hand, maybe that just proves it has some absurd heat shielding, making the explosion null and void.  

Crew shouldn't be much of a problem for the forge.  While people are a bit beyond it's capacity, the thing spews out droids like there were no tommorow.  While they may not be the ideal crew, they're certainly capable enough if you make them right.

And you know, I forgot something - the forge has a rather major defense system with one heck of a range, capable of disabling ships from quite a distance.  If that works on the shivans, they're in big trouble.

[Knight Templar]

I would win. I did against both of them.

[Ghost]

Wait, I just remembered something. Which came first, the Dyson Sphere(in Star Trek: The Next Generation), or this stupid Starforge thing from Kotor? Oh wait, that's right, the Dyson Sphere. By about 10 years.

[aldo_14]

Dyson sphere was coined in 1959 by Freeman Dyson; I hope you're not giving Star Trek (of all things-!) credit for its creation, it's an ancient idea.

[Flipside]

Though, Gene Rodenberry (And A.C Clarke, I think) were the first people to promote the idea of a 'Desktop Computer' and a portable computer (Tricorder)

[karajorma]

Originally posted by aldo_14
Dyson sphere was coined in 1959 by Freeman Dyson; I hope you're not giving Star Trek (of all things-!) credit for its creation, it's an ancient idea.

Although Freeman Dyson's sphere was not a solid construct. More like a distributed system of small planetoids to collect the energy.

Nor was the Dyson Sphere actually Dyson's idea. He merely popularised an earlier idea. As usual wikipedia has all the info

[Jal-18]

The Executor was not 900km long.  All rational measurements put it at 17.5 kilometers.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by karajorma

 As usual wikipedia has all the info

Where do you think I got it from?

[Flipside]

I prefer discussing Dyson spheres to the Physics of two completely imaginary universes

[karajorma]

Originally posted by aldo_14
Where do you think I got it from?

Well I actually knew it before I looked for the link But then I was a big fan of Larry Niven's Ringworld books so looking up the next biggest thing seemed like a good idea back then

[Ghost]

Originally posted by aldo_14
Dyson sphere was coined in 1959 by Freeman Dyson; I hope you're not giving Star Trek (of all things-!) credit for its creation, it's an ancient idea.

No, I'm not, honestly... Let us just say that KOTOR ripped off the Dyson Sphere idea, and didn't even give Mr. Dyson himself credit. At least ST kept the original name.

[Flipside]

I won't mention vacuum cleaners...

And Freelancer used a Dyson Sphere too

[Cyker]

How about a hundred Unicron's?

[Pnakotus]

Originally posted by Jal-18
The Executor was not 900km long.  All rational measurements put it at 17.5 kilometers.

The 900km starship I referred to was the Death Star II.  The Executor can hardly crash into itself!

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Ghost


No, I'm not, honestly... Let us just say that KOTOR ripped off the Dyson Sphere idea, and didn't even give Mr. Dyson himself credit. At least ST kept the original name.

Um... given that Star Wars is set 'in a galaxy far far away, a long time ago', it wouldn't make all that much (or indeed any) sense to namecheck a guy who technically doesn't exist in that universe.

Of course, IIRC the Star Forge wasn't a Dyson Sphere / swarm / whatever because it merely harnessed the stars power; any dyson 'construct' in some way surrounds a star, be it in a network of satellites, rings, encapsulating sphere, etc.  I think for one thing the Star Forge was far too small.

Anyways, are you sure you're not just having a go for the sake of it?