[Galemp]

Uh... yeah. I did.

[Topgun]

mine are much better. there is one for EVERY ship.
no offense or anything galemp.

[Cobra]

I was looking for Galemp's pack but I couldn't find it. Thanks Galemp!

[Galemp]

mine are much better. there is one for EVERY ship.
no offense or anything galemp.

IMO that sort of defeats the purpose of having them as icons. They're supposed to be representational, not literal. Visual clarity (especially on a very small radar) is measured more by how much you can communicate with how little, and what you leave out is as important as what you include.

But that's my opinion, and that's why I have my icons and you have yours. I'm looking forward to seeing them even if I don't use them myself.

[Topgun]

I planned mine to be representational as well but I figured that if the targeting system can identify the class of ship even if it is not in the fov, then so should the radar system.
that way you know it's a seraphim on your tail and not a dragon.

[Galemp]

bomber icon != fighter icon

But anyway, today on a whim I just tried out my icons with the 3D radar and... it looks godawful. But that's OK, since I only ever use the 2D radar.

If yours are optimized for 3D then we'll have a complete set.

[Topgun]

yeah, they look good on 3d. I don't know if they are considered "optimized" thohg.

[Topgun]

*ahem*

[Galemp]

Bumping this thread because WMC has to look at something!

Can I make a request? Non-stealthy sensor-masked ships (the fuzzy radar blips,) particularly fighters, are sometimes used as event triggers or music cues in some missions, specifically in Awakenings and ST:R. This wasn't a problem before as the fuzzy blip was usually placed so as to be obscured, but with radar icons they're a LOT more noticeable.

I'd like to request that sensor-masked ships have an override that they display no radar icons. If you have the time maybe you could arrange it so that large ships (corvette, capital, installation) do still have radar icons when fuzzy as they're large enough to see their shape from a distance.

If I have to, I'll just remove the radar icon from the Amazon and use that for our trigger in ST:R. But it would be nice to have this outstanding feature tweaked to make it just a bit more useful.

[chief1983]

What does WMC have to do with this?  And I think he's on vacation anyway.

[Mobius]

Is it possible to use small ship models instead of the icons?

Possibly in the briefing, too?

[Wanderer]

Current code in the wanderer trunk already draws the fuzzy contacts as standard issue dots instead of images. I doubt there are any builds out though.. i have really no place to upload them to. As for leaving the image should the ship be of certain type... hmm.. that should be doable. Got to think how to implement it though first.

Is it possible to use small ship models instead of the icons?

Possibly in the briefing, too?

Ummhh... what does briefing have to do with radar images?

[Galemp]

What does WMC have to do with this?  And I think he's on vacation anyway.

Sorry, I meant Wanderer. Forgot whose thread this was.

Current code in the wanderer trunk already draws the fuzzy contacts as standard issue dots instead of images. I doubt there are any builds out though.. i have really no place to upload them to. As for leaving the image should the ship be of certain type... hmm.. that should be doable. Got to think how to implement it though first.

Super! Thanks! I'm currently using a build from early summer, it would be nice to have an update. If you compile a build you can email it to me, and I'll host it for you.

Is it possible to use small ship models instead of the icons?

Possibly in the briefing, too?
Ummhh... what does briefing have to do with radar images?

He means dynamically rendering small models in the radar, and in the briefing, instead of the current 2D icons.

We had discussed using wireframe LOD2s in the 3D radar before but opted for icons instead, which I think is fine. As for briefings we definitely need to stick with the existing system, as it's been exploited many, many times for different briefing effects.

[chief1983]

Here's a recent Wanderer branch build.

Wanderer rev 4840, updated Sept 29

[karajorma]

We had discussed using wireframe LOD2s in the 3D radar before but opted for icons instead, which I think is fine. As for briefings we definitely need to stick with the existing system, as it's been exploited many, many times for different briefing effects.

I'd love to see the option to choose personally. A choice between the current icon system, 3D models or a pre-rendered cutscene would be great. Would be up to someone else to code it though....after 3.6.10 is out.

[Mobius]

IMO it's not a bad idea...