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Iain Baker:
Me again  :p

Re where the table should live where it could be found easily - create a new post on here: https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?board=265.0

Reythan:
Sorry for the delayed reply. I have been busy lately.

As to whether or not a ship can be in a table that is not specifically part of a campaign, I am not sure of that. Simple thing to test so I will definitely give it a go later this week. If it just so happens that it works out I will happily share a table that spans quite a number of mods that could be built upon. If it returns the error I think it might, I may have a workaround to still make it possible to build only one table.

I’m glad your enjoying it! Did you get a chance to test out the cockpits for either the Ulysses or Herc 2? Is it more along the lines of what you were originally thinking? If it’s the right approach that gives you the feeling of being in the ship without removing visibility I plan on applying the approach to all FS1 FS2 and BP flyable fighter and bombers including the Vasudans and the SF Mara, designing custom Cockpit models where necessary.

Thank you for the links you provided. They were definitely a big help.

Once I settle in on an approach for just having one large table I will post and share where you mentioned along with a guide for adding to the table as other mods are released or updated.

Iain Baker:
Hi there, good to hear from you, and no worries, real life must come first.

A flight mechanics table that covers everything would be awesome, but I was warned by Orph that having too many ships in one table might make FSO crash and cry, so if that happens we would need to split it into several smaller ones - probably one for 'general' FS campaigns that would also include the smattering of non-standard models that those campaigns use; Vassago's Dirge, Uncharted territory etc., then one for BP, one for Shadow Genesis, one for Exile, one for Just Another Day etc. I'm already starting on doing this for Reunion and it seems to be working well so far.

As for the cockpit mods. The Herc 2 looked ok until I looked backwards, then it looked kinda goofy. I think what I was seeing was the engine exhaust grills 'through' the rest of the ship, but it lacked a sense of depth so it is hard to be sure. The Ulysses honestly looked terrible from every viewing angle, due, I suspect, to the relatively lower polly model it uses. This would presumably be a problem for other lower polly ship models too, of which there are still quite a few kicking around in various campaigns.

A minimalist generic cockpit might be a better way to go and definitely much easier. The poster of this video basically ported the Viper cockpit from Diaspora (BSG) which seems to work well enough without being obtrusive. I have asked him how he did it and I'm waiting to hear back (true at the time of writing) https://youtu.be/puU3ugrleWo

TBH, I'm going off cockpit mods and I'm beginning to think that FSO simply isn't set up to do them properly, since they always seem to have major issues.

The updated flight mechanics, however, are an absolute godsend and make a tangible improvement to gameplay. So far I have only really used glide and reverse thrust, but even these have made FS far more enjoyable by eliminating some of the biggest bugbears I had with FS since the first FS came out in '98. Thank you  :)

I'm more than happy to keep helping you this so let me know if there is anything I can do  :yes:

All the best,

Iain

Iain Baker:
Hi there, any updates on this?

I tried using the perseus transparency download with Reunion and it works well - except the myrmidon cockpit was a mess  :lol:

Is there a way to separate out the cockpit mod part of it to leave only the flight mechanics? If I use VPView32 I can see the individual folders and files, and I can edit the tables in notepad, but I'm guessing I would need to turn these edited files back into a VP to get the -mod NAME command line thing to work? If so, do you know how to turn things into a VP and what program I would need to do this? Cheers :-)

Again, if there is anything I can do to help let me know :-)

Reythan:
Hi Yes.

I am working on a mechanics only mod that will allow you to have one single tbm file that will work for any mod even if the ships are not in the mod. I have found a work around by creating a ship at the start of the tbm file read at before the game is booted but without overwriting it if it's already existing. It has worked on quite a few mods, but I get some bugs in others. I know exactly how to squash them, and why its happening but my work on this effort slowed to a crawl for the moment.

When I am back at my workstation in a week I will be picking right up where I left off. I want to be able to create a single growing tbm file that will be compatible with any mod for just the mechanics and separate out the cockpit mod for dedicated releases.

I still plan on making a guide on how to do all of this once I am back.

I took your criticisms and I have updated and AI upscaled the maps and models of the cockpits and tried to make them more true to what they would look like if you were actually inside one without looking too blocky.  Still a lot more work to be done, but it’s moving at least in a decent direction. Let me know your thoughts. Here is a current sample  https://youtu.be/w_-etHwehJk

Tough to model and texture from my laptop so once I get back I'll be able to clean things up more. Don't mind the missing hud info on the dash I will be fixing that soon.

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