[Mongoose]

Plus the aether.  That stuff is as thick as molasses.

[General Battuta]

Especially when it gets all cold. Like it does in space. 

[Marcov]

Shivan beams and shields could be very different from the Covenant's. So no, we cannot say that MACs would punch through Lucifer shields. Some here don't even believe GTVA beams could pierce Lucifer shields.

What was the Colossus designed for if it still couldn't beat the crap out of the Lucy? Why didn't the Shivans send in Lucifers, which are practically invulnerable to ANYTHING (as the FS1 Techroom describes)?

I still believe beams could somehow pierce shields...hell, we already have an example; you get tossed around with full shields by AAAs, right?

[Qent]

I agree. Still, it's not canon.

[Marcov]

I agree. Still, it's not canon.

Well, you being hit by an anti-fighter beam and your hull integrity going down with shields still on is CERTAINLY canon, though.

[The E]

....

Yes, yes it is. Whether or not beams would pierce the Lucifer shields is still open for debate, as no canon info on that exists.

[Marcov]

The thread would largely be in favour for the Shivans.

All the more, we're in the official forum for FreeSpace, not the forum for Halo.

So Shivans = overkill

1. We all know that the Shivans have an extremely large Empire, and that the Sathanas fleet was just a small group of armed transports.
2. Halo ships may be faster, but didn't the Shivans come to the Capella star from the jump node in just a few days? That would be tens of thousands of kilometers, so we know that the game speeds were just for balance.
3. The Haloverse never had ships that could generate a supernova - though the Halo Array was an extremely powerful weapon, it was destroyed.
4. A plasma torpedo would be like 3 Teratons, and one could easily blow up a ship. It required around 900 teratons to destroy a Sathanas (based on my calcs). Of course this is probably just fluff, but if you're going to argue fluff, then here's your fluff.

[General Battuta]

2. Halo ships may be faster, but didn't the Shivans come to the Capella star from the jump node in just a few days? That would be tens of thousands of kilometers, so we know that the game speeds were just for balance.

Mate, it's called a subspace jump.

3. The Haloverse never had ships that could generate a supernova - though the Halo Array was an extremely powerful weapon, it was destroyed.

No it wasn't. Six operational Halos are still extant.

[Droid803]

Doesn't the system require all seven halos to activate?

[Qent]

1. We all know that the Shivans have an extremely large Empire, and that the Sathanas fleet was just a small group of armed transports.

Once again I think this is true, but you need to make a distinction between canon and speculation. For all we know, those 80+ Saths were carrying every last Shivan in existence.

[Rodo]

the Sathanas fleet was just a small group of armed transports

[Marcov]

1. We all know that the Shivans have an extremely large Empire, and that the Sathanas fleet was just a small group of armed transports.

Once again I think this is true, but you need to make a distinction between canon and speculation. For all we know, those 80+ Saths were carrying every last Shivan in existence.

This is mainly based on Admiral Petrarch's speculation, so this gives some major evidence that the Sathanas fleet were a bunch of nomads looking for home, and by destroying the Capella star, they activated a subspace jump which may lead to their home.

Rodo, haven't you read the Sathanas on FS Wiki? A Veteran commented that the Sathanas was probably used as a transport to carry Shivan personnel, but that they armed it so that they can defend themselves against the GTVA.

Sure, this may not be fully canon info, but there are credible evidences that support it.

[Droid803]

Then what does that make their smaller craft?

[Marcov]

Then what does that make their smaller craft?

Scouts. Juggernauts can also be heavy transports.

[Rodo]

Scouts. Juggernauts can also be heavy transports.

just thinking about a Jugg being a transport makes me go

[Marcov]

Scouts. Juggernauts can also be heavy transports.

just thinking about a Jugg being a transport makes me go

"Via Petrarch's statements in the end cutscenes, Volition seems to imply that the Shivans destroyed Capella to create subspace access to their homeworld and used the Sathanses as glorified personnel transports for their journey. "

Unless the Shivan nomads were all military personnel, you can call the Sathanas as an armed civilian transport. They should be carrying Shivan civilians to their homeworld, right? (or maybe, there's no such thing as a "Shivan civilian")

[General Battuta]

Scouts. Juggernauts can also be heavy transports.

just thinking about a Jugg being a transport makes me go

"Via Petrarch's statements in the end cutscenes, Volition seems to imply that the Shivans destroyed Capella to create subspace access to their homeworld and used the Sathanses as glorified personnel transports for their journey. "

Unless the Shivan nomads were all military personnel, you can call the Sathanas as an armed civilian transport. They should be carrying Shivan civilians to their homeworld, right? (or maybe, there's no such thing as a "Shivan civilian")

It's just speculation, mind. And are you seriously quoting a Veteran Comment from the wiki? There's nothing worthwhile about those.

[Qent]

I wouldn't consider Petrarch's speculation "evidence" just because Petrarch said it. What does he know?

[Marcov]

If you contradict with that, and refuse to believe that there's a larger Shivan force than the Juggernaut fleet, you'll have to believe that the Shivans were barbarians, running from galaxy to galaxy to find empires to destroy.

[Scotty]

SPACE MONGOLS!